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Posted by: Agustus
I'm actually looking forward to Grasslands and the Human/Elite plot. I dig the Elite arguments which was predictable and realistic. Was anyone seriously thinking that after 2 generations of war every single Elite would drop all stereotype and preconceptions about humans and group hug? Of course not.


ONI has a logical argument, they obviously distrust anything not Human after the same 2 generation war and want to keep the Elites disunited and therefore less of a threat.


Couldn't have said it any better myself. I fail to see why many people are saddened by the fact that ONI is trying to wipe out the elites. Or simply because many fans think they "look cool", they should live. After nearly 30 years of blindly, and ruthlessly murdering every last man woman and child (tens of billions of humans) in the name of the great journey and turning hundreds of habitable planets into glass, i would be a little pissed off too. Although I do feel a bit bad for Thel, at least he is level headed in the novel. ( and although it sounds like it, i doubt Thel will be assassinated, he's too much of a significant character).

And to top it off, the elites in glasslands still contemplate destroying the last remnants of humanity (save for Thel) despite clearly knowing that they themselves were the aggressors. They are a naturally violent species, (even more so than humanity), and should be dealt with accordingly. I love what I have read so far in glasslands, i love the attitude ONI has on the situation: reclaim forerunner technology, and destroy the elites while they are down. I find the story of Osman and her crew exciting; all this espionage is quite intriguing.

On a side note, from what I have read of glasslands so far (quite a bit), it seems that the brutes are being used as technicians and engineers for elite ships, which elites themselves have absolutely no idea how to repair. This makes it official, Brutes are smarter than elites.

[Edited on 10.15.2011 4:22 PM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 4:20 PM PDT

Posted by: qirahs
On a side note, from what I have read of glasslands so far (quite a bit), it seems that the brutes are being used as technicians and engineers for elite ships, which elites themselves have absolutely no idea how to repair. This makes it official, Brutes are smarter than elites.

The Sangheili were a space-fairing race before they encountered San 'Shyuum.

  • 10.15.2011 5:41 PM PDT


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Posted by: qirahs
On a side note, from what I have read of glasslands so far (quite a bit), it seems that the brutes are being used as technicians and engineers for elite ships, which elites themselves have absolutely no idea how to repair. This makes it official, Brutes are smarter than elites.

The Sangheili were a space-fairing race before they encountered San 'Shyuum.


So were the brutes; they just devolved.

  • 10.15.2011 5:49 PM PDT
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Infinity was mentioned.

What a subtle Halo 4 hint ;)

  • 10.15.2011 8:23 PM PDT

My problem with ONI wanting to wipe out the Elites.

Office of Naval Intelligence. Not Office of we ignore the rules and answer to nobody and do what the hell we want.

They should be watching the Elites, then reporting a strong anti-human feeling to the admiralty board, who then chooses to do something.

Instead, they are acting more and more like Cerberus. The head of ONI is described in the same manner as the head of Cerberus... which isn't good.

Why can't we have an intelligence agency that actually follows the damn rules of the nation they are tied to and sticks to what they are supposed to do, INTELLIGENCE. Not sabotage, assassinations, supplying a civil war in the middle of reconstruction efforts at home...

[Edited on 10.15.2011 11:06 PM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 11:04 PM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
My problem with ONI wanting to wipe out the Elites.

Office of Naval Intelligence. Not Office of we ignore the rules and answer to nobody and do what the hell we want.

They should be watching the Elites, then reporting a strong anti-human feeling to the admiralty board, who then chooses to do something.

Instead, they are acting more and more like Cerberus. The head of ONI is described in the same manner as the head of Cerberus... which isn't good.

Why can't we have an intelligence agency that actually follows the damn rules of the nation they are tied to and sticks to what they are supposed to do, INTELLIGENCE. Not sabotage, assassinations, supplying a civil war in the middle of reconstruction efforts at home...


Yo honestly didn't expected that from ONI?The same who wanted to juse the freaking Flood as a weapon against the Covenant, the same who had no problem with using hundreds of kids as cannon fodder.And you know why?It's for saving Humanity.

ONI is simply known for taking extreme measures why can't you guys understand?

Just spying on the Elites won't be enough for ONI, they want to completely wipe out the competition.

ONI are Humans and we know Humans always strive for top power which they are doing know.

The fact that there are Elites wanting to wipe Humanity out proves that ONI knew it would happen.

If you guys actually reread ghosts of onyx then you know that the imperial admiral wanted a war with the Humans,if he survived then we were screwed.

  • 10.16.2011 1:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I had a feeling democracy... or something other than militarism, at least, would be brought back after Halo 3.

Got to say, I'm really looking forward to this. Humanity's place in the universe; that's what I find most wonderful about sci-fi. Sure, ancient alien cultures can be interesting, parasitic extra-galactic threats are menacing; at the end of the day though, to me good science fiction is science fiction that brings us back to that age old, relatable question:

"What is it to be human?"

It seems this novel will be exploring that a little. That makes me happy. Her writing style seems a little simplistic from the two chapters I've read so far, but she seems to have a good grasp on characters and dialogue, which can go a long way.


All of the books use very simplistic literature.
The target audience isn't suppose to be sophisticated so the language isn't either to an extent.

  • 10.16.2011 2:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: hotshot revan II

Yo honestly didn't expected that from ONI? The same who wanted to juse the freaking Flood as a weapon against the Covenant, the same who had no problem with using hundreds of kids as cannon fodder. And you know why? It's for saving Humanity.


You are referring to Major Smith in regards to the Flood being used as a weapon. You also neglect to mention he broke ONI regs and went rouge. ONI didn't back him. In fact, he will probably hang for what he did, the AI Rebecca sent with the Red Horse states that.

What they did with the Spartan-IIIs I agree with you.

ONI is simply known for taking extreme measures why can't you guys understand?

Because those extreme measures outweighed the negatives. This deal has only a short term gain but long term loses. What if ONI's scheme doesn't go according to plan? What if we end up having to fight a unified Elite culture armed by ONI? You honestly expect it to be that easy? Where is the payoff for humanity then? We aren't in that good a spot either.

Just spying on the Elites won't be enough for ONI, they want to completely wipe out the competition.

Yet what if they don't? 'Telcam can easily flip ONI's plan upside down and expose the treachery of the humans and he'll have a logical point. Honestly, proposing peace with the Elites would've been a better choice. At least then we may have an ally if the Timeless One rears his head again, which by the looks of things WILL happen.

ONI are Humans and we know Humans always strive for top power which they are doing know.

And yet arming an Elite separatist movement that is not friendly to humanity a mere three months after the war is over and we are still rebuilding is going to secure our dominance?

The fact that there are Elites wanting to wipe Humanity out proves that ONI knew it would happen.

Which is a BS plot point to begin with since it basically throws and lessons learned in the Great Schism out of the window.

If you guys actually reread ghosts of onyx then you know that the imperial admiral wanted a war with the Humans,if he survived then we were screwed.

Are you so sure? If he saw the scenario at hand completely and talked with the Arbiter, perhaps he would've changed his tune. Either way. it's a null point as he's dead.

  • 10.16.2011 2:52 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

You are referring to Major Smith in regards to the Flood being used as a weapon. You also neglect to mention he broke ONI regs and went rouge. ONI didn't back him. In fact, he will probably hang for what he did, the AI Rebecca sent with the Red Horse states that.

What they did with the Spartan-IIIs I agree with you.


And in this case it's Parangosky doing all the thingsHere no one will court martial her as she's the head of ONI.And it's not suprising that it comes from her, that -blam!- already signed the doom of Reach, so her plan in this case isn't suprising at all.


Because those extreme measures outweighed the negatives. This deal has only a short term gain but long term loses. What if ONI's scheme doesn't go according to plan? What if we end up having to fight a unified Elite culture armed by ONI? You honestly expect it to be that easy? Where is the payoff for humanity then? We aren't in that good a spot either.

In this case not?The UNSC already have Forerunner tech at their disposal,they don't need the help of a faction that can't even repair or built anything.

Then there are at least two possibilities:

1)Your point

2)The Sangheili decide to attack

In this case ONI is more worried about the second point because ONI's sole purpose is to keep the Sangheili at a weak state while the Humans themself rise above all species.

If the first one happens then ONI will have no problem with putting down the Sangheili resistance with the Forerunner tech in their armory like the UNSC infinity.



Yet what if they don't? 'Telcam can easily flip ONI's plan upside down and expose the treachery of the humans and he'll have a logical point. Honestly, proposing peace with the Elites would've been a better choice. At least then we may have an ally if the Timeless One rears his head again, which by the looks of things WILL happen.

Ditto
And again ONI is more worried about the second possibility then the first.
Like Traviss said : ONI wants to do the right thing but they do it in wrong ways.

So the funny thing is that you criticise a book and an author because a faction within fiction does things that you don't approve off. It's like hating Cryptum and Bear because the Forerunners wiped us out.

It's okay to hate ONI's actions, but to hate a book on that isn't.

And yet arming an Elite separatist movement that is not friendly to humanity a mere three months after the war is over and we are still rebuilding is going to secure our dominance?

Arming with what?Weapons?Spaceships?We need the book to find it out that's why bashing the book based on 2 chapters is stupid.
But i don't think ONI would be stupid enough to give the Sangheili any spaceships, remember they just want an uprising to keep 'em busy and divided , nothing more.

Which is a BS plot point to begin with since it basically throws and lessons learned in the Great Schism out of the window.

Read Ghosts of onyx, an entire faction of Sangheili under a large leader were planning to attack the Humans even when they knew that the prophets betrayed them and that the religion is a lie. It all depends on the Sangheili themselfs, some are smart to side with us like Arby and Rtas, others like Xytan,Voro or the Glassland douches aren't.

It's a bit difficult to suddenly have symphaty with the Humans if you hated them with a passion for 25 years.

Are you so sure? If he saw the scenario at hand completely and talked with the Arbiter, perhaps he would've changed his tune. Either way. it's a null point as he's dead.

Possibly,but he knew everything that Arby knew, it's just that Arby had respect for us after fighting alongside "honorable" ones like Johnson and Chief while the Human haters still view us as worthless scums(excluding the Sangheili who always respected us as great foes)

In the end you guys complain about ONI's plan, okay it's understandable that you disagree with what ONI is doing,i hate what they did before too(The Flood as a weapon).
But why hate a book because a faction within the fiction does something you hate.

Just enjoy the book and in the end Arby will have a truce with is and then their war with the Brutes will start.

  • 10.16.2011 4:07 AM PDT


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So far I'm pretty disappoint.


Elab pleases.


No, because I get the feeling all you want is to start some kind of pissing contest.

[Edited on 10.16.2011 3:22 PM PDT]

  • 10.16.2011 3:22 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
My problem with ONI wanting to wipe out the Elites.

Office of Naval Intelligence. Not Office of we ignore the rules and answer to nobody and do what the hell we want.

They should be watching the Elites, then reporting a strong anti-human feeling to the admiralty board, who then chooses to do something.

Instead, they are acting more and more like Cerberus. The head of ONI is described in the same manner as the head of Cerberus... which isn't good.

Why can't we have an intelligence agency that actually follows the damn rules of the nation they are tied to and sticks to what they are supposed to do, INTELLIGENCE. Not sabotage, assassinations, supplying a civil war in the middle of reconstruction efforts at home...


You are just now figuring out ONI operates outside of the rules?

  • 10.16.2011 3:26 PM PDT

Seems like everyone missed the point that UNSC already has adapted Forerunner tech to their ships?

  • 10.16.2011 4:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: hotshot revan II
Because those extreme measures outweighed the negatives. This deal has only a short term gain but long term loses. What if ONI's scheme doesn't go according to plan? What if we end up having to fight a unified Elite culture armed by ONI? You honestly expect it to be that easy? Where is the payoff for humanity then? We aren't in that good a spot either.

Yet what if they don't? 'Telcam can easily flip ONI's plan upside down and expose the treachery of the humans and he'll have a logical point.

in situations like these, you can never accurately estimate the effects of your ops or the possibility of failure. I'm sure ONI has a plan set up for the risk of Telcam spilling the beans. remember, the reasoning behind this is short-term. yes, ONI wants the Elites to devolve and never be able to pose a threat, but the more immediate goal is to slow the development of Sangheilios. it doesn't matter whether the secret comes out as by the time it does, the humans would have gained a significant advantage over the elites or any other covenant species. besides, Telcam already has plans to betray the humans, which ONI is aware and prepared for.

it is true that humanity is in bad shape. however, humans are already technologically superior to the elites. we're so used to seeing them in covenant ships that we've forgotten that they were much more inferior by themselves. in glasslands, the elites can't even maintain their ships and need brute engineers. their military power is decreasing as their ships will eventually phase out due to the lack of basic maintenance. they don't have any scientists, engineers, barely any food supply which will result in a massive population drop in a few months. what is the state of their medical science? can they cure their diseases? they don't even have a unified chain of command to respond. the lack of food and a population of around 8 billion means further infighting. attacking the humans would be suicidal and will seal their fate.

on the other hand, humans have plenty of food and other resources to sustain their redevelopment efforts. humans have already incorporated Forerunner technology into their ships. for example, we have the UNSC infinity or the other ONI corvettes that contain forerunner technology acquired during the course of the war. this technology will soon enter into mass production as the military rebuilds. you can give it 1-2 years max for the construction of ships and humans will pretty much be the most technologically advanced species in the galaxy.

we know that the single forerunner dreadnought is enough the wipe out a massive covenant fleet. if humans have at least a few ships with forerunner tech, it's unlikely the elites will pose a threat. unlike the covenant species that simply mimicked forerunner technology, humans have grasped it through curiosity and reverse engineering and are just naturally smarter. let's not forget that the humans are the "reclaimers" and have to reclaim forerunner technology. everything belongs to them now. ONI is trying to locate all the halo rings and we know that humans can access the technology with a touch of the palm. if the humans can find the halo ring near sanghelios, they've already won. even if they don't fire, the rings have their own sentinel defense systems.

after the war, there has been competition among the covenant species to acquire forerunner tech. humans are the inheritors of all this. technically, the covenant species are stealing what rightfully belongs to the humans. how can the humans become the reclaimers to the galaxy as the new halo trilogy theme suggests, if there are several species that are stealing this tech and as a result will technologically be on par with the humans? the galaxy cannot accommodate all these advanced species, some of which will eventually need to colonize other worlds and impede on UNSC space. essentially a repeat of the human-forerunner war. there will eventually be another war with the species. it's better if humans act now and cause these species to devolve into a state where they will never rise up again.
Honestly, proposing peace with the Elites would've been a better choice. At least then we may have an ally if the Timeless One rears his head again, which by the looks of things WILL happen.
sorry, but elites or any other covenant species would be completely irrelevant against the precursor. humans have forerunner tech at their disposal which still pales in comparison to the precursor tech. humans need to become inheritors of the "mantle", they need to protect elites and other species, not ally with them.

here is how I would tackle the issue.
1. Intensify efforts to destabilize Sangehelios. two groups are not enough and their lineage-based society allows for more fault-lines. try to focus on family feuds between the "keeps".

2. destroy evidence of involvement. ONI should assasinate Telcam and other elites involved in the weapon transfers once they believe the Telcam's group has accumulate enough members to become a self-sustainable organization. make sure that the group believes Arbiter was responsible.

3. Try to take over the food supply by offering sanghelios agriculture from human planets as a gesture of friendship. as a result, the elites will become too dependent on humans for food. this shouldn't be a problem as sangheili farmers cannot benefit from economies of scale as humans have, nor will they be able to offer the variety. it will be difficult to convince humans to feed the ones who glassed their planets.

4. the kig yar seem to be a highly-material race focused solely on monetary benefit. take advantage of this and hire their raiders/pirates to steal or acquire forerunner technology for the humans. again, humanity's food supply can come in handy.

5. locate the remaining san shyuum and offer them protection and food in exchange for technology. with their dwindling numbers and threats from covenant species, they can't possibly refuse. this is symbolic as humans had an alliance with them 110,000 years ago.

[Edited on 10.16.2011 8:35 PM PDT]

  • 10.16.2011 8:15 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
You are just now figuring out ONI operates outside of the rules?


Perhaps. Then again before I thought it was a legit, intel group without retarded and evil goals.

I thought Head of ONI/top board of ONI answers to the admiralty board of the UNSC.

I was honestly pissed off when ONI got described as Cerberus from ME in glasslands chapters thus far...

  • 10.16.2011 10:13 PM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II


In this case not?The UNSC already have Forerunner tech at their disposal,they don't need the help of a faction that can't even repair or built anything.



Ahum, all they have is faster ships as stated right now. That could be the ONLY thing they have improved for the ships.

  • 10.16.2011 10:20 PM PDT

On a side note, from what I have read of glasslands so far (quite a bit), it seems that the brutes are being used as technicians and engineers for elite ships, which elites themselves have absolutely no idea how to repair. This makes it official, Brutes are smarter than elites.

Yeah, that struck me too. But the Brutes tend to come across to me as more brutal-crafty than brutal-savage.

  • 10.17.2011 1:17 AM PDT

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  • 10.17.2011 10:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
You are just now figuring out ONI operates outside of the rules?


Perhaps. Then again before I thought it was a legit, intel group without retarded and evil goals.

I thought Head of ONI/top board of ONI answers to the admiralty board of the UNSC.

I was honestly pissed off when ONI got described as Cerberus from ME in glasslands chapters thus far...


Are you implying that ONI never sounded like such an organization prior to Glasslands?

This is the same organization introduced in The Fall of Reach that approved an unethical plan to create super soldiers out of children for the sole purpose of pacifying any element that would oppose the UNSC government.

You considered ONI to be a legitimate intel group despite that among the many other things prior to glasslands?

  • 10.17.2011 11:21 AM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
You are just now figuring out ONI operates outside of the rules?


Perhaps. Then again before I thought it was a legit, intel group without retarded and evil goals.

I thought Head of ONI/top board of ONI answers to the admiralty board of the UNSC.

I was honestly pissed off when ONI got described as Cerberus from ME in glasslands chapters thus far...


Are you implying that ONI never sounded like such an organization prior to Glasslands?

This is the same organization introduced in The Fall of Reach that approved an unethical plan to create super soldiers out of children for the sole purpose of pacifying any element that would oppose the UNSC government.

You considered ONI to be a legitimate intel group despite that among the many other things prior to glasslands?


Difference, that plan involved the fact if they did nothing other then current actions, humanity would be thrown into a long and bloody civil war, resulting in massive losses.

They did SOME questionable things, but didn't appear as bloodthirsty idiots out for revenge instead of the good of humanity. (Bringing Halsey back for a trial with death penalty instead of bringing her back to help with forerunner tech much?)

  • 10.17.2011 11:32 AM PDT

I'm starting to think that ONI could be antagonists in the reclaimer trilogy.

From what I've read, it sounds like they want to 'cripple' the Elites out of blood thirsty vengence, which could end in another war, if the Elites find out what they're doing. What if part of the trilogy focusses on stopping ONI to prevent another war with the Elites or something?

  • 10.17.2011 11:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
You are just now figuring out ONI operates outside of the rules?


Perhaps. Then again before I thought it was a legit, intel group without retarded and evil goals.

I thought Head of ONI/top board of ONI answers to the admiralty board of the UNSC.

I was honestly pissed off when ONI got described as Cerberus from ME in glasslands chapters thus far...


Are you implying that ONI never sounded like such an organization prior to Glasslands?

This is the same organization introduced in The Fall of Reach that approved an unethical plan to create super soldiers out of children for the sole purpose of pacifying any element that would oppose the UNSC government.

You considered ONI to be a legitimate intel group despite that among the many other things prior to glasslands?


Difference, that plan involved the fact if they did nothing other then current actions, humanity would be thrown into a long and bloody civil war, resulting in massive losses.

They did SOME questionable things, but didn't appear as bloodthirsty idiots out for revenge instead of the good of humanity. (Bringing Halsey back for a trial with death penalty instead of bringing her back to help with forerunner tech much?)


And their attempts to unethically and preemptively curb a possible conflict with the Elites for the good of humanity is different?

Sure if you want to word it as "blood thirsty revenge" you can, but the motive doesn't change. Their questionable methods of subduing the Elites is ultimately the means to prevent Humanity from being put in greater danger.

You call ONI idiots, but from your posts it only seems that it's a judgment call taking out of the picture rather than actually looking at the perspective of the characters who are taking the action and what they perceive as the better course of action. Foolhardy or not, controversial decisions are made all the time in such organizations, but ultimately regardless of method it is ultimately to keep in line with whatever goal that is set (in this case the interests of humanity), and thus go ahead with it without the luxury of seeing the entire picture through an out of body experience.

That is of course in the realms of looking at fictional decisions from our perspective.

Yet at the same time, judging from your earlier post here:


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Why can't we have an intelligence agency that actually follows the damn rules of the nation they are tied to and sticks to what they are supposed to do, INTELLIGENCE. Not sabotage, assassinations, supplying a civil war in the middle of reconstruction efforts at home...


It seems that your dislike of how Traviss has written up ONI's choice in relation to your wishful thinking of wanting an intelligence agency that "follows the damn rules". When you consider the reality of the situation, it is incredibly naive to think that any intelligence agency in the world presently follows such rules.

To what extent such rules are crossed in reality is not the point, but rather in regards to how one would realistically write up a character or whole organization's response to a fictional situation based off how real counterparts function, why would one create an intelligence agency that was clean and spotless.

While fiction is made up, compelling fiction works grounded with realistic responses relies on still rooting several concepts in reality lest the reader be jostled out of immersion due to reaching a limit of suspending disbelief.

What would be incredulous is if ONI didn't have such a plan cooked up with the balls to execute it if necessary. Three decades worth of war does not erase three decades worth of loss. Billions if not trillions of lives were lost. Territory shrunk down to comparatively nothing. The military barely held together and in no shape to get back into tip top form anytime soon. Inversely the same with the Elites with some variations.

Personally I find it excellent to know that Karen will address the fact that this element of ingrained hostility cannot be explained away with the simple notion that a lying figure head had died along with a longstanding belief through immediate cooperation given the situation.

It's only natural that such controversial ideas, actions, and feelings by both ONI (and no doubt chunks of humanity as a whole) as well as the various parts of Elite society exist given the circumstances left off in Halo 3.

For there to not be such elements written in would make those individual characters, organizations, and whole races seem idiotic.

The same extends to those that think that the Covenant Civil war automatically taught all Humans and Elites to be nice towards each other. The Covenant Civil war only proved to the Elites and other client races that would listen that the Great Journey is a sham. Nothing more nothing less. Despite the quickly formed alliances that a faction of Elites made with various groups of other races, Humans included, it did not change perceptions of what each faction has felt, is capable of, and their motivations and ambitions post Human-Covenant war.

Congrats, as an Elite you are fully aware that the Great Journey is a lie and that humans are not heretics to that false religion. Yet, it does not change the notion that in spite of the lies, your personal feelings towards a person, group, whatever has not changed once the portions that were based off lies were removed.

Observe something in real life such as Eugenics back in the early 1900s. Eugenics was skewed to favor the agendas of organizations such as Gnatz-y Germany to prove racial superiority. Despite the particular sciences and experiments that were rigged to show a given race as inferior being proved to be false, it hardly affected how charged people held their prejudices.

In America, despite the grand Civil Rights moment that granted true freedom and equality officially by law to African Americans, it hardly changed the fact that people who were still racist continued to exist despite the gap in social status officially abolished.

That's what can be observed here with Glasslands with the resent left over between Humans and Elites. The Great Schism officially served as the turning point when Elites broke off from the Prophet's rule, but despite the means to reach the end in defeating the Covenant (an alliance for the sake of beating back the Covenant remnants) it did not set in stone anything else beyond that such as complete and total peace and understanding between all of Humanity and all of the Elites.

  • 10.17.2011 3:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Yet, it does not change the notion that in spite of the lies, your personal feelings towards a person, group, whatever has not changed once the portions that were based off lies were removed.

There is a hidden assumption everyone keeps making when saying this. What are those feelings? (Coming from the Elites, not Humanity; they are obvious)

  • 10.17.2011 3:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Yet, it does not change the notion that in spite of the lies, your personal feelings towards a person, group, whatever has not changed once the portions that were based off lies were removed.

There is a hidden assumption everyone keeps making when saying this. What are those feelings? (Coming from the Elites, not Humanity; they are obvious)


What all those feelings are in regards to my post is irrelevant nor would I at this time even bother trying to figure out what each and every one of those opposing feelings are for every Elite. What is, is the concept that whatever those feelings may be (in favor of or against humanity) remains despite a political shift that aims to set an official stance on the subject. Those Elites that already had respect for humans and saw them as honorable will continue to treat them as so, in light of the civil war they would be more likely to show that behavior more outwardly. Inversely those that continue to think of humans negatively would continue to do so despite the shift.

In regards to the fleet demolished thanks to the Nova bomb for example, it's clear that there exists (or existed depending if the entire elite population that believed this was obliterated by the Nova and Kurt's bomb)those that believe that humanity is still a scourge that gets in the way of the Elites' ability to recover Forerunner artifacts for themselves.

And in light of the second chapter of Glasslands there is at least one Elite who shares the opinion that Humanity is a parasite that will grow to expand beyond their former territory and step directly into and take resources from Elite territory some day. The possibility of more Elites sharing some conflicting view with the Arbiter's goal of peace for the sake of preserving their homeland existing due to the lack of united public opinion for it in the meeting hall.

Quite simply the list of feelings can be quite varied with an infinite amount of variations to them, but the end point is this. Regardless to how each individual Elite feels, as a whole it is apparent that there is no general consensus that humanity as a whole is loved or treated with the utmost respect by all Elites. And because of that, I point out how such a population with an inverse opinion exists. How large a population supports a negative or cautious view of humanity and for what reason is still largely unknown and will remain so until Glasslands comes out and gives that rough estimate to the extent, but it exists for whatever the exact reason may be and there is logic behind why such a group persists in spite of a large change such as the Great Schism.

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Madara, Tobi....call me whatever you want. I'M NO ONE. I DON'T WANT TO BE ANYONE. ALL I CARE ABOUT IS COMPLETING THE MOON'S EYE PLAN."


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: qirahs
Are you ExaltedObliteration on Halopedia?


No. Why? Do I write like him?

By the way, i can't remember the last time I edited an article on Halopedia, many of the editors refuse to accept that they are clearly wrong. And there are just far too many fanboys declaring edit wars there for me to even bother.

Whoever this ExaltedObliteration is. . . I'll keep an eye out for him.

[Edited on 10.17.2011 5:34 PM PDT]

  • 10.17.2011 5:32 PM PDT