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Subject: Questions About Glasslands Chapter 2.

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: anish panchalin
Do you simply not like where the plot is going on sanghelios or are you particularly frustrated about the changes to Halsey's character, or the supposed villifying of ONI?

Halsey and Mendez hating each other, in ways that seem to go beyond simple annoyance at ONI making Spartan 3's?


In Ghosts of Onyx, Halsey was never shown to be 100% accepting of the Spartan III's. Yes, I was surprised to see how Mendez reacted to her, but as Travis said, it hit a soft spot. Kurt also almost told Kelly off for calling them ''ineffective'' or something like that. Mendez and Kurt were extremely defense of their Spartan III's. And Halsey dosent trust them completely the same way Kelly dosent either.

Mendez just got mad at her for her comment, but that dosent mean their relationship is falling apart. Some people exaggerate things.

Reminds me of when the Reach VGA was shown and a very large amount of people that Emile and Noble Six had beef since they looked at each other for little more than a second.

  • 10.14.2011 3:04 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ODSTxQwikDraw24
I've already given an answer to the Brute question but no one seems to be paying attention. Jul says that line with desperation, wishfully speculating that there were loyal Brutes still out there. The line, after all, says:

It was a simple problem to fix. There were still a few loyal Unggoy and Jiralhanae around, weren't there?

Jul did not make a concrete claim. It is kind of like a family member of a dying person saying "There is still hope, right?" Doesn't mean there actually is hope. It just shows the desperation of the situation.


Actually, his wife directly mentions working with brutes. She comments that they have been forced to rely on savages, and the brutes cannot maintain their ships with the engineers gone.

Kinda flies in the face of all previous interactions between the races no?
I stand corrected; I appreciate you pointing that out because I completely missed that while searching for the quote I used in my post. You are correct, that does throw a wrench into the interactions between Brutes and Elites as seen in the previous canon. It has only been two chapters, and hopefully there is at least some attempt at an explanation. Other than that, I've really enjoyed the first two chapters and can't wait to read the rest.

As for Halsey being demonized, I didn't really take it that way. I saw obvious frustration on her part at Mendez not ever telling her about the Spartan-IIIs. While her frustration is being projected onto the wrong person, I can see her anger at someone stealing her work and making it their own. For Mendez, his disdain for Halsey in the early parts was coming from Halsey's dislike of the Spartan-IIIs. He merely wants her to honor the IIIs like she does the IIs. This is evident by how her "rounding" on Olivia provoked him.

I also think we saw a change in Halsey beginning at the end of chapter one when we get this line:

"Thanks, Spartan," she said. Do I mean that? Yes, I think I do. "I'll try to find you a steak."

Maybe this is the turning point and the Mendez-Halsey drama was just a little chapter one skirmish. This has only been the first two chapters, though, and criticism should be kept at a minimum until all of it has been released. I think that this book didn't stand a chance with many of you the moment Traviss opened her mouth the first time and began talking about the post-Halo 3 outlook on Halsey.

As for ONI going after Halsey, I don't think that is demonizing her at all. The exchange with Osman and Parangosky did more to demonize ONI to me than it did Halsey. Parangosky is obviously an intelligent person, but she has been described already as someone you do not want to cross; she hasn't been described as the kindest person nor the person with the best intentions.

  • 10.14.2011 3:15 PM PDT


Posted by: HipiO7
Title for Reference.

For those of you who havent read it, here it is. And I would also recommend listening to some Halo OST while at it, it really accompanies it well. Listen to this while you read, or Reach's OST, as I did.


Anyways, on to business. I had a couple of questions I would liked answered if possible, and if not, some debate going on here.

Well, here they are:

In chapter two, it was said while Jul is talking to his wife Raia, that there were a few loyal Grunts, and even Brutes that could work as factory workers since the Huragok fled.

Okay, first things first, Brutes loyal to the Elites? I find this extremely odd, and the fact that they were not killed for simply being Brutes shows some mercy from the Elites that was previously unthinkable. Then what about the Huragok fleeing? To where? It seems odd as well since they simply dont care who they are helping as long as they fix something.

The other question is about this new Spartan, Naomi. I'm not sure, but I dont remember it being stated if she is a Spartan II or a Spartan III. My own logic would say she would be Spartan III since Parangosky has access to her for such a black op.

Anyways, that all for now. So far, I'm really liking Glasslands and am really looking forward to it's release and getting my hands on it. You can really tell it's not Nylund writing. The story seems fantastic so far. I really like that we're following ODST's again.

Anyways, what are your opinions on Glasslands so far?

Discuss.


You have to realise, just because Brutes are shown as hating Elites doesn't mean their entire species has the same attitude. That's just being stereotypical; we're talking about a religion that just got falsified; people would pause and think about it. Just because in the games it shows the Brutes always crazy and mad, doesn't mean every single Brute in the universe is the equivalent.

Don't take the universe in a very one-dimensional way. If what we see in the games is exactly what everyone is like, then that puts in some pretty bland characters. They're all real, living beings (well, in the books.)

From what I've seen there is quite a few Spartans we haven't seen yet, so they have a few spaces to fill.

As for Glasslands, apart from a few choice dislikes, I'm loving it so far.



  • 10.15.2011 4:50 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


I agree with Augustus. Judging from first two chapters, it's obvious that Karen Traviss never bothered to read ahout Halo novels or just took "facts" from the Halo universe to apply for her book.

I would say that if i were you. If she didn't read any Halo books then why does she gives all the little details in Glasslands from ghosts of Onyx like 5 Katana members and 3 unknown persons in the pods, hell i can give more.

Seriously, don't you see any problems with this book???

There aren't and looking at your list below reinforces what i thought about you complainers. There aren't any canon errors to complain about so you guys resort to complain about how the events goes.


Elites with Brutes?

Nowwhere in the book does it even says that the Brutes side with the Elites,all it says are that there MIGHT be a FEW loyal Brutes who might work as farmers. In other words as slaves.While most of the Brutes hate the Elites,why is it so hard to understand that there might be a few individuals who got past their zealot belief and saw the truth too?
Because a large group of a race are zealot a-blam!-s doesn't means that all Brutes are the same.

Seriously it's just like saying that all muslims are terrortist because a few groups are
Or it's like saying that all Americans are fat lazy people because that there are lot of obsessive individuals in that country.
There is something called stereotypical and that's what you guys are doing.


ONI starting a civil war at Shanghelios?

ONI wants to ensure safety for the Human race. And to do that they want to get rid off all possible foes.Because what if the Sangheili decide to attack Earth?ONI looks at all possibilities "what if the elites do attack" and so on.The fact that there are still lots of anti Human Elites on Sanghelios reinforces the fact.The imperial admiral and his gang were planning to attack Earth after they dealt with thz Brutes(they died however).

ONI is right.What if the Sangheili assasinate the arbiter then take over and decide to attack. It's thanks to arby and his followers that there isn't a war yet.


Sudden change to Dr. Halsey's character such as dramatic person and moody against SPARTAN-IIIs?

There is something i have noticed in nearly all Glassland complainers. It's that they dislike the fact that the UNSC might appear in Halo 4, they stereotype all Halo factions and they love one dimensional characters with a flat boring personality.

Do you seriously know any basic things about Human psychology?
If you actually knew something about how Humans are then you know that our race have all unique personalities and that we constantly change.It happens all times, just take a fucing look at your own personal life.How many times does it happens that best friends suddenly become enemies, how many times does it happens that a girl get's tired of you ,...Conflicts all these emotions happen constantly in our own life unless you cut all contact with people .

So any Halsey-Mendez conflict isn't something absurd, it's normal for any Human being.

BTW she wasn't that dramatic against the SIII.She had issues with Noble Team and freaked out at "O" because she starled her but that's it. Afterwards she tried to show her respect to Tom.

Oh no, ROBERTO jh. Augustus had much right to criticize the novel based on two chapters as I criticized against the book. Since it sounded like crappy fan fiction to me.


Wait you have no problem with criticizing an entire book after just reading chapters?If so then what kind of big fool are you?You will declare a movie as -blam!- after you just saw a single trailer?You will judge a person without knowing him/her?

And you forgot a part where Karen Traviss wrote clones war books which it changed about Mandelorins and Star Wars fans were completely pissed off at her for breaking canon.


He didn't forget anything, you did however...You forget the fact that star wars is already full of holes.You forget how the gears of war books haven't that problem because that franchise hasn't the problems of a massive one like star wars.

  • 10.16.2011 3:05 AM PDT

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