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Well, they are AI. Halo AI > Call of Duty AI especially in Reach. Also, ODST have armor and they are in the future.

  • 10.14.2011 1:24 PM PDT

i choose halo

  • 10.14.2011 5:30 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: GAMERXD001
This is a battle Halo definately cannot win
Get out.

UNSC Marine battle dress armor and ODST battle dress armor would shrug the rounds shot by modern troopers with ease. A sniper round or heavy machine gun would prove to be a problem but the UNSC has numbers, training, and weaponry on their side. Stationing over 300 million troopers on Reach and god knows how many on Earth. Each equipped with 500+ year technology that the modern troopers dream about.

Have you looked at the UNSC Army troopers on Reach? That armor WOULD stop rifle rounds, unlike the modern kevlar and Dragonskin. With the fleet above, and the superior air support, we'd take Earth down in hours.



This. I believe it was said somewhere standard bullets are useless against Marine and Army battle dress. It takes at least armor piecrcing FMJ rounds to get through it (probably why all of the UNSC's bullets are either explosive or FMJ)
Imagine the utter weight it must be to wear it.

  • 10.14.2011 5:46 PM PDT

Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: GAMERXD001
This is a battle Halo definately cannot win
Get out.

UNSC Marine battle dress armor and ODST battle dress armor would shrug the rounds shot by modern troopers with ease. A sniper round or heavy machine gun would prove to be a problem but the UNSC has numbers, training, and weaponry on their side. Stationing over 300 million troopers on Reach and god knows how many on Earth. Each equipped with 500+ year technology that the modern troopers dream about.

Have you looked at the UNSC Army troopers on Reach? That armor WOULD stop rifle rounds, unlike the modern kevlar and Dragonskin. With the fleet above, and the superior air support, we'd take Earth down in hours.


Also, I remember reading that the ODST armor can survive fatal sniper shots.

  • 10.15.2011 9:16 AM PDT


Posted by: BlackKnightKanos
Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: GAMERXD001
This is a battle Halo definately cannot win
Get out.

UNSC Marine battle dress armor and ODST battle dress armor would shrug the rounds shot by modern troopers with ease. A sniper round or heavy machine gun would prove to be a problem but the UNSC has numbers, training, and weaponry on their side. Stationing over 300 million troopers on Reach and god knows how many on Earth. Each equipped with 500+ year technology that the modern troopers dream about.

Have you looked at the UNSC Army troopers on Reach? That armor WOULD stop rifle rounds, unlike the modern kevlar and Dragonskin. With the fleet above, and the superior air support, we'd take Earth down in hours.


Also, I remember reading that the ODST armor can survive fatal sniper shots.
Let's not forget tactics. ODST's would drop behind enemy lines and cause havoc while the Marines and Army battle them on the front. They will be finding on two fronts and be completely surrounded.

Although there are some weaknesses to the UNSC Army and Marines battledress. Unless we use the Marine armor they used in Halo: Reach, the visor would be the only weakness the armor would have since it's exposed, although if it's the Reach variant, they have a protective visor. The armor battledress however is exposed all over.

Look at this.
Unless there is Dragonskin or Kevlar under that camo suit it has plenty of weaknesses. Considering it's in the future and the armor and clothes seem to bulge out in where it shouldn't(IE: The forearms) then it's safe to bet they have a protective layer of kevlar under that, backed up with about 80% of the body protected by those plates.

Although the face can very. I tend to see Army troopers have face coverings. It doesn't look like a bandanna at all. It looks like a thick piece of kevlar, supporting my other theory.
It's shown here.
Kevlar mask

So they might have several cons but still FAR superior to the Current marines, their armor would be useless.

  • 10.15.2011 9:30 AM PDT

Don't -blam!- with Kerser!

How can you possibly think that MW would beat Halo. Halo troops are MW troops in the future so they automatically win. Plus all the infinitely more advanced everything that the UNSC have. MW are lose.

My god, i sound like a child.

  • 10.15.2011 9:34 AM PDT
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the UNSC is all of the best military powers of earth combined American Marines,Army,Navy,Air Force etc. Russian Spetznaz,Israeli Spec Ops,French GIGN,German Bundswer,and so on.MW has all of those factions and they are fighting each other in other words UNSC Wins MW Screwed.

  • 10.15.2011 11:41 AM PDT
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No Spartans?Its an even fight then. They are both firing the same bullets,ammo. Similar training.The entire Halo is more advanced argument is bull-blam!-, We could make 90% of what Halo has now.

[Edited on 10.15.2011 11:54 AM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 11:53 AM PDT

Don't -blam!- with Kerser!

Posted by: Voro Nar Talamee
No Spartans?Its an even fight then. They are both firing the same bullets,ammo. Similar training.The entire Halo is more advanced argument is bull-blam!-, We could make 90% of what Halo has now.


And that's how we knew you are a 12 year old who has only played Reach.

  • 10.15.2011 11:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: SteroidKloud
Posted by: Voro Nar Talamee
No Spartans?Its an even fight then. They are both firing the same bullets,ammo. Similar training.The entire Halo is more advanced argument is bull-blam!-, We could make 90% of what Halo has now.


And that's how we knew you are a 12 year old who has only played Reach.
I'm sorry, I would like to know which statement offend you so much. Please enlighten me,on how a rifle firing a 7.62 is different in power from a rifle firing a 7.62? Nothing in Halo is much different than what is fired today.They use the same ammo, same parts. Just look different.Your the idiot for not realizing this.I've played all the Halo games and in the process of reading the books btw.

  • 10.15.2011 12:03 PM PDT
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It's not just the offencive the counts factors such as Weapons,armor,tech,and training make the difference though MW has as much chance as the UNSC but Halo is still more advanced than modern warfare.

  • 10.15.2011 12:11 PM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


Posted by: Voro Nar Talamee

Posted by: SteroidKloud
Posted by: Voro Nar Talamee
No Spartans?Its an even fight then. They are both firing the same bullets,ammo. Similar training.The entire Halo is more advanced argument is bull-blam!-, We could make 90% of what Halo has now.


And that's how we knew you are a 12 year old who has only played Reach.
I'm sorry, I would like to know which statement offend you so much. Please enlighten me,on how a rifle firing a 7.62 is different in power from a rifle firing a 7.62? Nothing in Halo is much different than what is fired today.They use the same ammo, same parts. Just look different.Your the idiot for not realizing this.I've played all the Halo games and in the process of reading the books btw.
UNSC has better armor. And smart-linking.

  • 10.15.2011 12:20 PM PDT

Don't -blam!- with Kerser!

Posted by: Voro Nar Talamee

Posted by: SteroidKloud
Posted by: Voro Nar Talamee
No Spartans?Its an even fight then. They are both firing the same bullets,ammo. Similar training.The entire Halo is more advanced argument is bull-blam!-, We could make 90% of what Halo has now.


And that's how we knew you are a 12 year old who has only played Reach.
I'm sorry, I would like to know which statement offend you so much. Please enlighten me,on how a rifle firing a 7.62 is different in power from a rifle firing a 7.62? Nothing in Halo is much different than what is fired today.They use the same ammo, same parts. Just look different.Your the idiot for not realizing this.I've played all the Halo games and in the process of reading the books btw.


Woop-dee doo they fire the same ammo. Wow that really makes a difference. Did you say 90%? Really? Are you that dumb? (Depends on what we are talking about here. Just infantry based tech or all UNSC tech?).

So with the argument you have made, you are saying that with the current tech and military force we have today could defeat the covenant, because you know, we can already make 90% of the UNSC tech now like slipspace drives, pelicans, Jetpacks, Spartan lasers, BDU Marine armor, hornets, Space ships (POA, SOF), AA's, Invisibility, Neural interface Heads Up Displays, Augmentations, Spartans, MJOLNIR armor, MAC guns, Space elevators, Spaec stations (Athens, Malta).

/sarcasm

We couldn't even hold off an attack from one covenant capital ship and its occupants in this day and age.

[Edited on 10.15.2011 12:44 PM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 12:42 PM PDT

Anyone who votes for Halo/UNSC Marines in this thread is an idiot. The only thing that the UNSC has that could rival MW technology is space.

A lot of the UNSC arsenal compared to modern day technology is actually worse:

-You can only hip fire the Assault Rifle.
-The DMR is equivalent to hundreds of present day rifles.
-The Sniper Rifle is comparable to the Barrett .50 Cal.
-The Grenade Launcher is weaker and only single shot compared to semi-automatic grenade launchers and the M203.
-Rocket Launchers have horrible lock-on capabilities compared against the Stinger and other launchers.
-The Shotgun has less than half the range of present-day shotguns.

Don't even get me started on the vehicles:

-The Humvee is definitely better armored than the Warthog.
-Apaches could take out Falcons/Hornets with ease.
-The Scorpion is too weak and poorly designed to take on modern tanks like the Abrahms or T-90.

The only thing from Halo that's pretty much equal to current-day vehicles is the Mongoose.

[Edited on 10.15.2011 12:47 PM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 12:45 PM PDT

Don't -blam!- with Kerser!

Posted by: GeneralRafa
Anyone who votes for Halo/UNSC Marines in this thread is an idiot. The only thing that the UNSC has that could rival MW technology is space.

A lot of the UNSC arsenal compared to modern day technology is actually worse:

-You can only hip fire the Assault Rifle.
-The DMR is equivalent to hundreds of present day rifles.
-The Sniper Rifle is comparable to the Barrett .50 Cal.
-The Grenade Launcher is weaker and only single shot compared to semi-automatic grenade launchers and the M203.
-Rocket Launchers have horrible lock-on capabilities compared against the Stinger and other launchers.
-The Shotgun has less than half the range of present-day shotguns.

Don't even get me started on the vehicles:

-The Humvee is definitely better armored than the Warthog.
-Apaches could take out Falcons/Hornets with ease.
-The Scorpion is too weak and poorly designed to take on modern tanks like the Abrahms or T-90.

The only thing from Halo that's pretty much equal to current-day vehicles is the Mongoose.


At first i was like: Who is this -blam!- idiot, what a -blam!- head.

And then i was like: Holy -blam!- that actually makes sense.

But in all seriousness you would be stupid as hell to think there is only 1 type of tank, warthog, air vehicle, assault rifle, sniper etc in the Halo world. See Halo Wars, Books and comics for reference.

[Edited on 10.15.2011 12:51 PM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 12:49 PM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: GeneralRafa
Anyone who votes for Halo/UNSC Marines in this thread is an idiot. The only thing that the UNSC has that could rival MW technology is space.

A lot of the UNSC arsenal compared to modern day technology is actually worse:

-You can only hip fire the Assault Rifle.
-The DMR is equivalent to hundreds of present day rifles.
-The Sniper Rifle is comparable to the Barrett .50 Cal.
-The Grenade Launcher is weaker and only single shot compared to semi-automatic grenade launchers and the M203.
-Rocket Launchers have horrible lock-on capabilities compared against the Stinger and other launchers.
-The Shotgun has less than half the range of present-day shotguns.

Don't even get me started on the vehicles:

-The Humvee is definitely better armored than the Warthog.
-Apaches could take out Falcons/Hornets with ease.
-The Scorpion is too weak and poorly designed to take on modern tanks like the Abrahms or T-90.

The only thing from Halo that's pretty much equal to current-day vehicles is the Mongoose.


I like how your comparing everything to their equivalents in gameplay, and not how they would be in the novels.

  • 10.15.2011 12:49 PM PDT
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Halo will beat CoD armies because Halo marines will just shoot without having to aim down the sight, where as the CoD armies will all die from team killing with the RCXD or from calling the Napalm strike on the target during a capture.

  • 10.15.2011 12:58 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: DEUCE MORELLI
Halo will beat CoD armies because Halo marines will just shoot without having to aim down the sight, where as the CoD armies will all die from team killing with the RCXD or from calling the Napalm strike on the target during a capture.


And lets not forget them using tomahawks and ballistic knifes all the time.

  • 10.15.2011 1:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: DEUCE MORELLI
Halo will beat CoD armies because Halo marines will just shoot without having to aim down the sight, where as the CoD armies will all die from team killing with the RCXD or from calling the Napalm strike on the target during a capture.


And lets not forget them using tomahawks and ballistic knifes all the time.


But on 2nd thought, they could win the war if they all used noob tubes and semtex, as long as the Spartans don't have Armor Lock.

  • 10.15.2011 1:03 PM PDT


Posted by: SteroidKloud
Posted by: GeneralRafa
Anyone who votes for Halo/UNSC Marines in this thread is an idiot. The only thing that the UNSC has that could rival MW technology is space.

A lot of the UNSC arsenal compared to modern day technology is actually worse:

-You can only hip fire the Assault Rifle.
-The DMR is equivalent to hundreds of present day rifles.
-The Sniper Rifle is comparable to the Barrett .50 Cal.
-The Grenade Launcher is weaker and only single shot compared to semi-automatic grenade launchers and the M203.
-Rocket Launchers have horrible lock-on capabilities compared against the Stinger and other launchers.
-The Shotgun has less than half the range of present-day shotguns.

Don't even get me started on the vehicles:

-The Humvee is definitely better armored than the Warthog.
-Apaches could take out Falcons/Hornets with ease.
-The Scorpion is too weak and poorly designed to take on modern tanks like the Abrahms or T-90.

The only thing from Halo that's pretty much equal to current-day vehicles is the Mongoose.


At first i was like: Who is this -blam!- idiot, what a -blam!- head.

And then i was like: Holy -blam!- that actually makes sense.

But in all seriousness you would be stupid as hell to think there is only 1 type of tank, warthog, air vehicle, assault rifle, sniper etc in the Halo world. See Halo Wars, Books and comics for reference.

Like what? And how would it make much of a difference? I'm aware of the different variations of weapons from the games, and it seems to me that they are probably the main weapons/vehicles distributed to the army from the UNSC. Since they are that common, that's probably what the MW armies would face.

[Edited on 10.15.2011 1:19 PM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 1:17 PM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


Posted by: GeneralRafa
Anyone who votes for Halo/UNSC Marines in this thread is an idiot. The only thing that the UNSC has that could rival MW technology is space.

A lot of the UNSC arsenal compared to modern day technology is actually worse:

-You can only hip fire the Assault Rifle.
It has smart-linking (you see reticle in your HUD), you don't have to "aim down your sughts" and we've never seen anyone hip-fire it.
-The DMR is equivalent to hundreds of present day rifles.
BR has effective range of 900 m. DMR has the same role. They're kinda sniperish weapons.
-The Sniper Rifle is comparable to the Barrett .50 Cal.
Effective range of 2,5 km, and advanced ammo (armor-piercing, sabot, and bigger than .50 cal)
-The Grenade Launcher is weaker and only single shot compared to semi-automatic grenade launchers and the M203.
UNSC has MGL's and gameplay =/= canon. It can also cause EMP's and be remote-triggered.
-Rocket Launchers have horrible lock-on capabilities compared against the Stinger and other launchers.
Gameplay =/= canon.
-The Shotgun has less than half the range of present-day shotguns.
Gameplay =/= canon.


Don't even get me started on the vehicles:

-The Humvee is definitely better armored than the Warthog.
'Hog is made out of titanium, and can have a SAM turret or a coilgun, but yeah, it's pretty open.
-Apaches could take out Falcons/Hornets with ease.
Falcon is comparable to black hawk (and can shoot one down easily), and how Apache is better than Hornet?
-The Scorpion is too weak and poorly designed to take on modern tanks like the Abrahms or T-90.
Maybe.

The only thing from Halo that's pretty much equal to current-day vehicles is the Mongoose.


[Edited on 10.15.2011 1:48 PM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 1:47 PM PDT


Posted by: GeneralRafa
Anyone who votes for Halo/UNSC Marines in this thread is an idiot. The only thing that the UNSC has that could rival MW technology is space.

A lot of the UNSC arsenal compared to modern day technology is actually worse:

-You can only hip fire the Assault Rifle.
-The DMR is equivalent to hundreds of present day rifles.
-The Sniper Rifle is comparable to the Barrett .50 Cal.
-The Grenade Launcher is weaker and only single shot compared to semi-automatic grenade launchers and the M203.
-Rocket Launchers have horrible lock-on capabilities compared against the Stinger and other launchers.
-The Shotgun has less than half the range of present-day shotguns.

Don't even get me started on the vehicles:

-The Humvee is definitely better armored than the Warthog.
-Apaches could take out Falcons/Hornets with ease.
-The Scorpion is too weak and poorly designed to take on modern tanks like the Abrahms or T-90.

The only thing from Halo that's pretty much equal to current-day vehicles is the Mongoose.
Cocerning the weapons, they have plenty of advantages, the AR is not hip fire exclusive, it can have a scope, books confirm this. Add to the fact it's faster, with Armor Piercing FMJ rounds. I love how you compare game weapons that are meant to be weak to what they really are in the books. Oh, and the Sniper fires a .57, not a .50 like the useless Barrett.

It wouldn't matter, the armor alone would be the key to war. What good is the firepower if the modern rifles if they wouldn't do ANYTHING to the ODST's or Marines armor. The Army's armor is even superior than the Military of the modern army, hell even the Police force of New Mombasa is better! It is confirmed that ODST armor could deflect .50 cal rounds, the only way you're taking down an army of over a billion is using vehicles which the UNSC are still superior.

Apaches would be gutted by Hawks. Abrams would be vaporized by Grizzly's, Rhino's and Cobra's. Even Pelicans would take down AC-130's with the missile systems and 70mm auto turret.

Learn your facts before you assume things.

  • 10.15.2011 3:18 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: GeneralRafa
Anyone who votes for Halo/UNSC Marines in this thread is an idiot. The only thing that the UNSC has that could rival MW technology is space.

A lot of the UNSC arsenal compared to modern day technology is actually worse:

-You can only hip fire the Assault Rifle.
-The DMR is equivalent to hundreds of present day rifles.
-The Sniper Rifle is comparable to the Barrett .50 Cal.
-The Grenade Launcher is weaker and only single shot compared to semi-automatic grenade launchers and the M203.
-Rocket Launchers have horrible lock-on capabilities compared against the Stinger and other launchers.
-The Shotgun has less than half the range of present-day shotguns.

Don't even get me started on the vehicles:

-The Humvee is definitely better armored than the Warthog.
-Apaches could take out Falcons/Hornets with ease.
-The Scorpion is too weak and poorly designed to take on modern tanks like the Abrahms or T-90.

The only thing from Halo that's pretty much equal to current-day vehicles is the Mongoose.
Cocerning the weapons, they have plenty of advantages, the AR is not hip fire exclusive, it can have a scope, books confirm this. Add to the fact it's faster, with Armor Piercing FMJ rounds. I love how you compare game weapons that are meant to be weak to what they really are in the books. Oh, and the Sniper fires a .57, not a .50 like the useless Barrett.

It wouldn't matter, the armor alone would be the key to war. What good is the firepower if the modern rifles if they wouldn't do ANYTHING to the ODST's or Marines armor. The Army's armor is even superior than the Military of the modern army, hell even the Police force of New Mombasa is better! It is confirmed that ODST armor could deflect .50 cal rounds, the only way you're taking down an army of over a billion is using vehicles which the UNSC are still superior.

Apaches would be gutted by Hawks. Abrams would be vaporized by Grizzly's, Rhino's and Cobra's. Even Pelicans would take down AC-130's with the missile systems and 70mm auto turret.

Learn your facts before you assume things.

What I don't understand is how you critisize me for comparing the Halo games to the MW Trilogy as mentioned in the title. The MW Trilogy is made up of games, and is not as accurate to actual real world technology. We are comparing two different types of games, nothing more nothing less. By using book canon, I might as well use more examples from real life then.

One mistake I made coming here is that I forgot that most of the people in this specific forum believe that book canon is superior to the game canon. While that's something completely different to debate about, it makes a huge difference.

"Gameplay =/= book canon"

Yes, but game canon trumps it.

[Edited on 10.15.2011 7:52 PM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 7:49 PM PDT