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Posted by: Righteous Fury19
I agree. I am to be honest shocked at ONI did, they basically handed the most important planet in the UNSC after Earth itself on a silver platter to the Covenant, in the vain hope that by capturing a high profile ship they could kidnap an important Prophet and sue for peace.

Honestly, if ONI already knew about High Charity and the High Prophets then surely they would have realised that Truth would never have agreed to sign a peace treaty, especially if it meant saving the life of either Regret or Mercy.
The guy was an utter bastard, he would just have used it (RED FLAG) as an excuse to continue the war. The guy was obsessed with keeping Humanity's real identity as a secret, why the hell would he or the others accept peace???

Idiots in my opinion, better to just have trapped a Nova bomb or two on to a ship and sent into the middle High Charity. 5 secs later 27 year+ war over, done and dusted. With the Nova they could have dominated the Covies, the same way the US did with Japan by having the Atom. Hit them at home and hit them hard, thats what they should have done.

In my opinion.


We didn't know any of that. Capturing the Prophet was literally our only hope in hell.

  • 10.14.2011 1:59 PM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Read it now... If they wanted to capture long night of solace...

Why the hell didn't they poke Holland and tell him? Then the op could go from "Destroy" to "Board and hold" for Noble Team.


Because 343 did not for a moment ever stop to think if their canon fix actually made a lick of sense.

It "works", sure, but in the stupidest and most senseless way possible.


The mission to destroy Solace came from Kat's intuition and SpecWar, not ONI's orders. The reason ONI didn't say anything was the better judgement of a risk assesment; if they pulled back all efforts to destroy Solace, it could bring attention to RED FLAG and therefore ONI's sacrifice of Reach for it.

Also remember this operation to lure the Covenant to Reach was such a seret plan most of ONI probably didn't know.

  • 10.14.2011 2:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Read it now... If they wanted to capture long night of solace...

Why the hell didn't they poke Holland and tell him? Then the op could go from "Destroy" to "Board and hold" for Noble Team.


Indeed. Noble Team could have came on that Pelican and boarded the carrier and hold at least a hangar in preparation for the arrival of ODST's that would help take the vessel.

With Noble Team on the job, they had a really good chance. And it's not like Solace was causing havok at the moment. It was just sitting in orbit over Reach doing nothing.

  • 10.14.2011 2:54 PM PDT


Posted by: A Puzzled Mind
There are 3 still outstanding plotholes they've got to fix.

1) ODPs and 150 ships of Homefleet that was there in the original book. Where the hell did they go/
2) NUKES. NUKES. NUKES. NUKES. It makes absolutely no sense at all for Noble team to not have nukes when the UNSC clearly has them for Red Flag.
3) Pillar of Autumn fought in the epic battle with Lord Hood, whose presence is severely lacking so far. He's the guy who controls everything, even ONI.

If they can fix those 3 up, Halo is in good condition albeit some inconsistencies here and there.


Did you even read the Data Drop? ONI was keeping the invasion under wraps, and in addition they're not going to just be throwing Reach's fleet around willy-nilly against the Covenant. They're not going to send them against the Solace because that amounts to tactical suicide and leaves Reach almost completely undefended until reinforcements arrive. And we're only up in space once, did you expect to just see the space battle for no reason at all? Bungie didn't do that because that would distract from Noble's story and serve no real purpose within it.

You do know reinforcements arrived during the whole interval between the 14th and the 30th right? THOSE ships would have nukes. And remember, before the LNoS revealed itself the UNSC had been having a massive battle with the Covenant throughout the Vierry Territory and the orbital defenses, plenty of opportunities to put a fair dent in their stock of nukes. And listen to the dialogue of the LNoS mission, Kat implies that they've already tried destroying the Supercarrier with resources they had handy and it didn't work. Thus why they had a shortage of nukes and utilized Kat's plan. More nukes would have come later with all of the ships that were heading back to Reach.

Um, what are you even talking about? Hood wasn't involved in the Battle of Reach, he was back on Earth during the battle. So I fail to see whatever "error" you are trying to bring up.

  • 10.14.2011 7:37 PM PDT

Oops. I think I just lost your mind.

To all the people that think Noble's mission to destroy the Long Night could be turned into a boarding operation, I ask what chance exactly two Spartans, cut off from UNSC support, have in boarding and holding a kilometres-long supercarrier.

It takes only those two men to light a fuse. But to capture the whole damn ship? the UNSC would need 10 times the firepower in Marathon-class cruisers to neuter the Long Night and its support contingent for long enough to capture it. Which they decidedly did not have.

That is all.

  • 10.14.2011 8:58 PM PDT

I am a monument to all your sins


Posted by: Righteous Fury19
I agree. I am to be honest shocked at ONI did, they basically handed the most important planet in the UNSC after Earth itself on a silver platter to the Covenant, in the vain hope that by capturing a high profile ship they could kidnap an important Prophet and sue for peace.

Honestly, if ONI already knew about High Charity and the High Prophets then surely they would have realised that Truth would never have agreed to sign a peace treaty, especially if it meant saving the life of either Regret or Mercy.
The guy was an utter bastard, he would just have used it (RED FLAG) as an excuse to continue the war. The guy was obsessed with keeping Humanity's real identity as a secret, why the hell would he or the others accept peace???

Idiots in my opinion, better to just have trapped a Nova bomb or two on to a ship and sent into the middle High Charity. 5 secs later 27 year+ war over, done and dusted. With the Nova they could have dominated the Covies, the same way the US did with Japan by having the Atom. Hit them at home and hit them hard, thats what they should have done.

In my opinion.
the war continued after Gravemind destroyed high charity, no Im sure it would just piss the covenant off.

  • 10.14.2011 9:08 PM PDT

ONI (and the UNSC in general), must have a much more sinister grasp on the flow of information than previously thought. Less like modern day United States and more like Orwell's Oceania if they're able to keep the other half of the planet dark about the Covenant invasion.

  • 10.14.2011 9:18 PM PDT

The tide is turning, brothers! Let us take our kingdom back!


Posted by: fxnavarro
Keyes knew about the Covenant, in the bonus content of one of the 2010 remakes it stated he was keeping it a secret from his crew.
So if everything links together, it means that Keyes must have had one hell of a time keeping quiet.
I feel like we're going to need to tell Keyes at some point, otherwise, as soon as the Covenant show up - and I mean really show up - he'll scrub RED FLAG and jump in with guns blazing. He's not the type to avoid a fight, hell, he ran headlong into one just last month, all on his own. Our one hope is that the Covenant bring their big ships to the front early and that the Spartans can do what they do best.

[Edited on 10.15.2011 12:25 AM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 12:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: privet caboose
Another great datadrop. Once again I'm pleased 343 is finally cleaning up Bungie's mess.

However, I've still got a few complaints.

>Half the planet was unaware the other half was being invaded.

Does planet Reach not have internet or news? There's no way ONI could keep EVERYONE quiet as long as the 27th!

Hell, I MIGHT be able to understand them keeping Reach quiet until August 14th(Wasn't that Tip of the Spear's date?) But there's no way they kept quiet until the 27th.

Like stated eariler, 60% of the UNSC fleet was recalled, yet the spartans, Keyes, and Halsey didn't know about it? That's just as far fetched as the rest of Reach's abysmal story.

However, wasn't August 27th the day New Alexandria was invaded? If so, then I guess the "Reach was dark about the Covenant's presence" thing works out. Oh wait, no it doesn't because the UNSC are still entirely surprised when the Covenant shows up on the 30th.


This may be a piss poor explanation, but given Reach is a military planet, or the center of military power, I'd guess communications and any kind of internet on this massive and less developed planet than Earth, are highly controlled and monitored by the military.

  • 10.15.2011 6:18 AM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Another great datadrop. Once again I'm pleased 343 is finally cleaning up Bungie's mess.

Does planet Reach not have internet or news? There's no way ONI could keep EVERYONE quiet as long as the 27th!


My guess is the system and all communications were controlled by the super intendant. Mobiles, phones, videos, internet etc etc.

Also Reach was ONI's strong hold. So combine those two and the technology to shut down parts or all of the planet are right their at ONI's fingertips.

Nothing in, nothing out.

  • 10.16.2011 5:07 PM PDT

I only have one question. If Cortana was separated into 2 parts, and 1 was to deal with Visegrád, what was the other one doing?

  • 10.16.2011 9:15 PM PDT


Posted by: Fearing

Posted by: privet caboose
Another great datadrop. Once again I'm pleased 343 is finally cleaning up Bungie's mess.

However, I've still got a few complaints.

>Half the planet was unaware the other half was being invaded.

Does planet Reach not have internet or news? There's no way ONI could keep EVERYONE quiet as long as the 27th!

Hell, I MIGHT be able to understand them keeping Reach quiet until August 14th(Wasn't that Tip of the Spear's date?) But there's no way they kept quiet until the 27th.

Like stated eariler, 60% of the UNSC fleet was recalled, yet the spartans, Keyes, and Halsey didn't know about it? That's just as far fetched as the rest of Reach's abysmal story.

However, wasn't August 27th the day New Alexandria was invaded? If so, then I guess the "Reach was dark about the Covenant's presence" thing works out. Oh wait, no it doesn't because the UNSC are still entirely surprised when the Covenant shows up on the 30th.


This may be a piss poor explanation, but given Reach is a military planet, or the center of military power, I'd guess communications and any kind of internet on this massive and less developed planet than Earth, are highly controlled and monitored by the military.
I wouldn't necessarily call it a piss poor explanation because it's at least an attempt to clean up the canon. If you have problems with the explanation, be mad at Bungie for making canon that requires an explanation. Don't be mad at 343 for putting some thought, and effort, into trying to make Halo: Reach work with the book.

Truth is, 343 was given a huge mess and they're on clean-up duty.

  • 10.16.2011 10:26 PM PDT


Posted by: ODSTxQwikDraw24

Posted by: Fearing

Posted by: privet caboose
Another great datadrop. Once again I'm pleased 343 is finally cleaning up Bungie's mess.

However, I've still got a few complaints.

>Half the planet was unaware the other half was being invaded.

Does planet Reach not have internet or news? There's no way ONI could keep EVERYONE quiet as long as the 27th!

Hell, I MIGHT be able to understand them keeping Reach quiet until August 14th(Wasn't that Tip of the Spear's date?) But there's no way they kept quiet until the 27th.

Like stated eariler, 60% of the UNSC fleet was recalled, yet the spartans, Keyes, and Halsey didn't know about it? That's just as far fetched as the rest of Reach's abysmal story.

However, wasn't August 27th the day New Alexandria was invaded? If so, then I guess the "Reach was dark about the Covenant's presence" thing works out. Oh wait, no it doesn't because the UNSC are still entirely surprised when the Covenant shows up on the 30th.


This may be a piss poor explanation, but given Reach is a military planet, or the center of military power, I'd guess communications and any kind of internet on this massive and less developed planet than Earth, are highly controlled and monitored by the military.
I wouldn't necessarily call it a piss poor explanation because it's at least an attempt to clean up the canon. If you have problems with the explanation, be mad at Bungie for making canon that requires an explanation. Don't be mad at 343 for putting some thought, and effort, into trying to make Halo: Reach work with the book.

Truth is, 343 was given a huge mess and they're on clean-up duty.


How do we not know that this wasn't planed by bungie from the beginning?

  • 10.17.2011 12:38 AM PDT

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