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Subject: For the Bungie.net Community: A Series of Stock Responses

δόξει τις ἀμαθεῖ σοφὰ λέγων οὐκ εὖ φρονεῖν.

Euripides, Bacchae. 480.

It has occurred to me that the Community forum is often used to suggest ideas to Bungie employees, Bungie.net's administrators and this great community. As we well know, change is something to be resisted, and, in celebration of this immutability, I offer a few templates by which you might frame your responses to those who fail to grasp this simplest of tenets:

In response to threads that suggest the implementation of a notification system, a friend system or other socially oriented features, respond like this:

"This isn't Facebook. If you want Facebook, log into Facebook.com."

In response to threads that suggest the implementation of a post count, respond like this:

"Post counts make people envious and trollish, and aren't useful anyway, whereas titles are."

In response to threads that suggest an amendment to the title system, respond like this:

"You [whoever the OP is] are just jealous of us [mythic/legendary/heroic] members because you are [insert putative cause(s) of jealousy as appropriate]."

In response to threads that suggest an amendment to the profanity list, respond like this:

"The profanity list is difficult to change, and there's no need to censor words that aren't already censored or permit words which are."

In response to threads that suggest a change to the rules, respond like this:

"The rules are the rules, and are common sense. If you don't like them, go elsewhere. Remember: you have no rights."

If in any doubt as to how to identify the proposed change:

In response to threads which you perceive to be suggesting any sort of change, respond like this:

"OP is a troll."

This is, of course, not an exhaustive list. People will use other means to introduce change, and you will have to use your own imagination in addressing these challenges to our collective harmony. I hope, however, that the foregoing is enough to get you started.

I recognise, of course, the paradox in recommending that you adopt the above responses, as this itself constitutes change. However, the above are just more formulaic ways of communicating what you ordinarily communicate anyway, and so the accusation is narrowly avoided.

To be sure, I am not advocating change in this thread.

[Edited on 10.14.2011 6:54 PM PDT]

  • 10.14.2011 6:44 PM PDT

Furry At Heart,
Furry Forever óÓÒò

Supreme mastery therefore, is not to be victorious in all your battles; supreme excellence is to be victorious without fighting.

"Love is composed of a single soul inhabiting two bodies. "

Personally, I think that it's better not to have canned responses to everything. It means that everyone comes up with their own inventive way of correcting the poster and probably having a bit of fun with them at the same time.

And most of these are said to people who make those kinds of posts anyway.

  • 10.14.2011 6:46 PM PDT

Posted by: FALSE R3ALITYx
Bricypoo's custom user title = Ultra Lame Thread Maker


Posted by: True Underdog
Only after we ban Bricypoo.

I'm still confused what the point is of the thread...

About how the "Community" isn't open for change?

  • 10.14.2011 6:46 PM PDT

Best of random chance

He's definitely trolling
Posted by: Bricypoo
I'm still confused what the point is of the thread...

About how the "Community" isn't open for change?

  • 10.14.2011 6:49 PM PDT

δόξει τις ἀμαθεῖ σοφὰ λέγων οὐκ εὖ φρονεῖν.

Euripides, Bacchae. 480.


Posted by: kashinfist
He's definitely trolling
Posted by: Bricypoo
I'm still confused what the point is of the thread...

About how the "Community" isn't open for change?


Good-now you're getting into the spirit of things. I'll amend the OP to reflect your suggestion.

  • 10.14.2011 6:50 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: The Wo1f
Personally, I think that it's better not to have canned responses to everything. It means that everyone comes up with their own inventive way of correcting the poster and probably having a bit of fun with them at the same time.

And most of these are said to people who make those kinds of posts anyway.

That was the humor in it.

OP is right though, those are the generalized responses, but the responses to those are generally the same as well.

  • 10.14.2011 6:51 PM PDT

Furry At Heart,
Furry Forever óÓÒò

Supreme mastery therefore, is not to be victorious in all your battles; supreme excellence is to be victorious without fighting.

"Love is composed of a single soul inhabiting two bodies. "

Posted by: Xplode441
That was the humor in it.

OP is right though, those are the generalized responses, but the responses to those are generally the same as well.

I still think there's no point in having canned responses like these.

  • 10.14.2011 6:57 PM PDT

δόξει τις ἀμαθεῖ σοφὰ λέγων οὐκ εὖ φρονεῖν.

Euripides, Bacchae. 480.


Posted by: Bricypoo
I'm still confused what the point is of the thread...

About how the "Community" isn't open for change?


The purpose is as stated.

  • 10.14.2011 6:58 PM PDT

Best of random chance

I feel so glad to have contributed to our beautiful community.
Posted by: Heliossoileh1

Posted by: kashinfist
He's definitely trolling
Posted by: Bricypoo
I'm still confused what the point is of the thread...

About how the "Community" isn't open for change?


Good-now you're getting into the spirit of things. I'll amend the OP to reflect your suggestion.

  • 10.14.2011 7:04 PM PDT
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Community members don't like suggestions for some odd reason.

It's part of a "fanboy-ish" attitude. It's like everything is absolutely perfect the way it is, and no change is needed.

This is one very good reason why I try not to associate myself with this community.

  • 10.14.2011 7:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: FatM
Community members don't like suggestions for some odd reason.

It's part of a "fanboy-ish" attitude. It's like everything is absolutely perfect the way it is, and no change is needed.

This is one very good reason why I try not to associate myself with this community.


You're obviously above everything...

  • 10.14.2011 7:13 PM PDT
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my gt is Godzillla....i just didnt link it properly

the forum isnt as deep as it could be (functionally speaking) ...i can agree with that ...but i like the whole lack of post count thing sometimes ....member titles are interesting because of their mystery as well ..I've gone through so many ..for reasons i still dont fully understand

[Edited on 10.14.2011 7:35 PM PDT]

  • 10.14.2011 7:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: drummer0702
You're obviously above everything...
But the OP has a pretty clear point.

There's a line between opinion that's reasonable and immediate rejection without proper judgement or acknowledgement.

I'm not saying every suggestion should be considered and taken into account. I'm saying it seems as if this community has a habit of doing what the OP was referring to.

...and you're the one who keeps posting arrogant responses that are getting quite old if you ask me. I really don't want to make this personal, but wouldn't you have learned from losing your "Mythic" status?

  • 10.14.2011 7:36 PM PDT

δόξει τις ἀμαθεῖ σοφὰ λέγων οὐκ εὖ φρονεῖν.

Euripides, Bacchae. 480.


Posted by: FatM
Posted by: drummer0702
You're obviously above everything...
But the OP has a pretty clear point.

There's a line between opinion that's reasonable and immediate rejection without proper judgement or acknowledgement.

I'm not saying every suggestion should be considered and taken into account. I'm saying it seems as if this community has a habit of doing what the OP was referring to.

...and you're the one who keeps posting arrogant responses that are getting quite old if you ask me. I really don't want to make this personal, but wouldn't you have learned from losing your "Mythic" status?


This guy is one of the few intelligent people I've ever seen here. Good stuff.

  • 10.14.2011 7:41 PM PDT
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"Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. " ~Gil Stern

"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." ~Albert Einstein

"What did I just drink?"~Socrates

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Posted by: FatM
But the OP has a pretty clear point.

There's a line between opinion that's reasonable and immediate rejection without proper judgement or acknowledgement.

I'm not saying every suggestion should be considered and taken into account. I'm saying it seems as if this community has a habit of doing what the OP was referring to.

...and you're the one who keeps posting arrogant responses that are getting quite old if you ask me. I really don't want to make this personal, but wouldn't you have learned from losing your "Mythic" status?


You seem to be taking my joking as arrogance... That is not my fault. Cry moar was in relation to me being an '04 and only being a member and the Ken thing was just a joke. You should stop assuming things about people... Shame on you! Also, derailing a thread has nothing to do with this, but good try!

  • 10.14.2011 7:45 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: FatM
But the OP has a pretty clear point.

There's a line between opinion that's reasonable and immediate rejection without proper judgement or acknowledgement.

I'm not saying every suggestion should be considered and taken into account. I'm saying it seems as if this community has a habit of doing what the OP was referring to.

...and you're the one who keeps posting arrogant responses that are getting quite old if you ask me. I really don't want to make this personal, but wouldn't you have learned from losing your "Mythic" status?

The OP had no point, he was just giving us a helpful list, as he said, he isn't advocating change. That of course means he wants us to keep on the track of rejecting ideas we don't like and accepting ideas we do, even though there are a lot of ideas we may not like.

See, he said it right here:

Posted by: Heliossoileh1
To be sure, I am not advocating change in this thread.

He obviously doesn't want us to change.

  • 10.14.2011 7:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: Xplode441
The OP had no point, he was just giving us a helpful list, as he said, he isn't advocating change. That of course means he wants us to keep on the track of rejecting ideas we don't like and accepting ideas we do, even though there are a lot of ideas we may not like.

See, he said it right here:

Posted by: Heliossoileh1
To be sure, I am not advocating change in this thread.

He obviously doesn't want us to change.
Like I said, there's a line between the logical judgement of ideas and suggestions coming in, and instant rejection of those said suggestions and ideas.

Also, what the OP means by his "change" disclaimer is simply that he is not advocating the simple examples made in the thread. You also forgot to mention the two previous paragraphs.

This is, of course, not an exhaustive list. People will use other means to introduce change, and you will have to use your own imagination in addressing these challenges to our collective harmony. I hope, however, that the foregoing is enough to get you started.

I recognise, of course, the paradox in recommending that you adopt the above responses, as this itself constitutes change. However, the above are just more formulaic ways of communicating what you ordinarily communicate anyway, and so the accusation is narrowly avoided.

He is simply saying that not all of his examples given are unjust rejections/judgments.

  • 10.14.2011 8:10 PM PDT

δόξει τις ἀμαθεῖ σοφὰ λέγων οὐκ εὖ φρονεῖν.

Euripides, Bacchae. 480.

Perhaps not as intelligent as I had hoped...

  • 10.14.2011 8:12 PM PDT
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"Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. " ~Gil Stern

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Posted by: Heliossoileh1
Perhaps not as intelligent as I had hoped...


Rofl, that's what you get for making hasty decision.

  • 10.14.2011 8:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Heliossoileh1
Perhaps not as intelligent as I had hoped...
What the hell are we supposed to discuss anyway? You're only stating the obvious in your OP.

Community members tend to reject change. Okay, thanks for that realization. I'm trying to understand what we are supposed to be getting at here. It would really help continue discussion in this thread.

Thanks for the response if you do, in fact, respond.

  • 10.14.2011 8:17 PM PDT
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"Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. " ~Gil Stern

"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." ~Albert Einstein

"What did I just drink?"~Socrates

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Posted by: FatM
What the hell are we supposed to discuss anyway? You're only stating the obvious in your OP.

Community members tend to reject change. Okay, thanks for that realization. I'm trying to understand what we are supposed to be getting at here. It would really help continue discussion in this thread.

Thanks for the response if you do, in fact, respond.


There isn't supposed to be any discussion in this thread. This thread was solely made to try and prove a point to everyone...

  • 10.14.2011 8:19 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: FatM

I guess my post went over your head, oh well.

One point of my post was serious, people can like or dislike ideas as they want, just because a majority of people dislike an idea for the same reasons doesn't mean they're ignorant, it means they're part of their group of people that don't like it for that reason.

If a reason I don't like post counting is because it's unnecessary and I think it could cause spam posts, and a majority of the users on this site feel the same way, then that becomes the generalized response to that suggestion. It doesn't mean we can't think for ourselves.

  • 10.14.2011 8:20 PM PDT

ATTENTION MODERATORS. My latest ban (14-day ban from Qbix89) is not legitimate, take a look for yourself. Please review this before considering me a "repeat offender". Thank you.

Immediately after I set my eyes upon the text in the body of your eccentrically-written thread, I chuckled.

This attitude, this mindset seems to be deeply embedded into the unique fanbase of the Bungie community and its message board (I say solely "message board" considering, like I said, this forum and its community is very unique). One who is joined in this user base may argue that they have completely logical and understandable reasons towards why they made the decisions and explanations they did, yet they don't understand simply because they are have a completely different mindset, a mindset that has more instinctive critiques that are based upon the pop culture of this message board. Their strong enthusiasm is incredible difficult to break. They are apart of a fandom that is engraved with these specific instincts.

With this thread, along with observations that make it clearly obvious, it is proven to be apparent. This attitude stands strong along with the motifs they believe in along with other deep and dedicated Bungie community members.

This is my response. Please do not respond to it, because I fear that any arguing will persist to throw me into a never-ending tirade.

Cheers.

Edit: Another great example to add upon the original post. How ironic.

[Edited on 10.14.2011 8:42 PM PDT]

  • 10.14.2011 8:37 PM PDT

δόξει τις ἀμαθεῖ σοφὰ λέγων οὐκ εὖ φρονεῖν.

Euripides, Bacchae. 480.


Posted by: drummer0702
Posted by: FatM
What the hell are we supposed to discuss anyway? You're only stating the obvious in your OP.

Community members tend to reject change. Okay, thanks for that realization. I'm trying to understand what we are supposed to be getting at here. It would really help continue discussion in this thread.

Thanks for the response if you do, in fact, respond.


There isn't supposed to be any discussion in this thread. This thread was solely made to try and prove a point to everyone...


Actually, there's considerable discussion and reflection to be had.

  • 10.15.2011 4:48 AM PDT

δόξει τις ἀμαθεῖ σοφὰ λέγων οὐκ εὖ φρονεῖν.

Euripides, Bacchae. 480.


Posted by: FatM
Posted by: Heliossoileh1
Perhaps not as intelligent as I had hoped...
What the hell are we supposed to discuss anyway? You're only stating the obvious in your OP.

Community members tend to reject change. Okay, thanks for that realization. I'm trying to understand what we are supposed to be getting at here. It would really help continue discussion in this thread.

Thanks for the response if you do, in fact, respond.


I was hoping to hear from those who are the ones that usually parrot the responses I've simplified for them. Your claim that I'm "stating the obvious" is only true for you, I and a few other posters; most others do the sort of thing I parody, and presumably see their reflexive rejection of new ideas as reasonable, rather than as a result of a general, irrational pattern of behaviour.

We might also discuss why this community, as a whole, is so resistant to change, and how this is tied to sycophantic ideas the community has about certain prominent posters and Bungie itself.

There are many possibilities. You shouldn't need me to hold your hand.

[Edited on 10.15.2011 4:57 AM PDT]

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