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Subject: Data Drop 5 and using the Long Night for RED FLAG
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Posted by: HipiO7

Obviously Six and Jorge would have had the rest of Noble Team boarding the Corvette when the Pelican dropped off the bomb along with any number of ODST's. They could have perfectly boarded the Long Night from the Corvette when it docked to refuel and kill the crew in any number of ways.

And I'd assume that once the boarding team eliminated external defenses, all off the Spartan II's in RED FLAG would board and absolutely exterminate anything that would twitch on that ship.


The only way they could have successfully taken control of the Solace is if it had most of its troops deployed already, remember, we're talking about a multi-mile long ship stocked for planetary occupation. They'd be having millions upon millions thrown at them if it hadn't deployed everything already, and even then; they'd still be outnumbered 60/1.

  • 10.15.2011 10:22 AM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: I Em I Raptor
Posted by: HipiO7

Obviously Six and Jorge would have had the rest of Noble Team boarding the Corvette when the Pelican dropped off the bomb along with any number of ODST's. They could have perfectly boarded the Long Night from the Corvette when it docked to refuel and kill the crew in any number of ways.

And I'd assume that once the boarding team eliminated external defenses, all off the Spartan II's in RED FLAG would board and absolutely exterminate anything that would twitch on that ship.


The only way they could have successfully taken control of the Solace is if it had most of its troops deployed already, remember, we're talking about a multi-mile long ship stocked for planetary occupation. They'd be having millions upon millions thrown at them if it hadn't deployed everything already, and even then; they'd still be outnumbered 60/1.


Over 30 Spartan's along side with dozens of ODST's?

Sounds like a fair fight where the Covenant dosent have the advantage of artillery, airforce nor armor.

  • 10.15.2011 10:29 AM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: I Em I Raptor
Posted by: HipiO7

Obviously Six and Jorge would have had the rest of Noble Team boarding the Corvette when the Pelican dropped off the bomb along with any number of ODST's. They could have perfectly boarded the Long Night from the Corvette when it docked to refuel and kill the crew in any number of ways.

And I'd assume that once the boarding team eliminated external defenses, all off the Spartan II's in RED FLAG would board and absolutely exterminate anything that would twitch on that ship.


The only way they could have successfully taken control of the Solace is if it had most of its troops deployed already, remember, we're talking about a multi-mile long ship stocked for planetary occupation. They'd be having millions upon millions thrown at them if it hadn't deployed everything already, and even then; they'd still be outnumbered 60/1.


Over 30 Spartan's along side with dozens of ODST's?

Sounds like a fair fight where the Covenant dosent have the advantage of artillery, airforce nor armor.
They have those if they (UNSC) try to enter with the corvette or otherwise end up in the main hangar...

EDIT: And it would any way be about 100-200 guys against tens of thousands, if not millions of covies.

[Edited on 10.15.2011 10:39 AM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 10:37 AM PDT

Cave Johnson here, we're done!

PS: If you are reading this comment while imagining my voice, don't panic. That's just a side effect of the testing.


Posted by: ChrisVN
MC boarded a super carrier vvith a bunch of marines vvith even less resources at hand.

At LNOS, everything vvas lost (as far as I knovv) except for 1 guy (Noble 6).


MC boarded a super carrier that was ill prepared to shoot him down. Both at a bad angle to shoot at them, as well as having their shields and weapons turned off thanks to cortana. Without cortana chief would have never gotten aboard.

The difference being that their goals were different. Chief was vulnerable in space, and needed a safer place to stay. Oddly enough that was inside a covenant carrier.

Noble had to blow it up, and they had to do it fast before any support could have been called in. Specifically the fact that immediately after blowing the ship up, a major portion of the covenant fleet jumped to reach. They had limited times and resources, hell they could only commandeer one -blam!- frigate. And even that was killed in the process.

The fact of the matter is that Noble team could only get the upper hand if they took over another covenant ship. If chief tried the same thing in Reach airspace like he did to the Ascendant Justice, he would be dead. That thing would be battle ready against any UNSC ship and would be easily able to shoot them down.

Chief got really really lucky with Ascendant Justice.

[Edited on 10.15.2011 10:51 AM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 10:45 AM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Gamer Whale
Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: I Em I Raptor
Posted by: HipiO7

Obviously Six and Jorge would have had the rest of Noble Team boarding the Corvette when the Pelican dropped off the bomb along with any number of ODST's. They could have perfectly boarded the Long Night from the Corvette when it docked to refuel and kill the crew in any number of ways.

And I'd assume that once the boarding team eliminated external defenses, all off the Spartan II's in RED FLAG would board and absolutely exterminate anything that would twitch on that ship.


The only way they could have successfully taken control of the Solace is if it had most of its troops deployed already, remember, we're talking about a multi-mile long ship stocked for planetary occupation. They'd be having millions upon millions thrown at them if it hadn't deployed everything already, and even then; they'd still be outnumbered 60/1.


Over 30 Spartan's along side with dozens of ODST's?

Sounds like a fair fight where the Covenant dosent have the advantage of artillery, airforce nor armor.
They have those if they (UNSC) try to enter with the corvette or otherwise end up in the main hangar...

EDIT: And it would any way be about 100-200 guys against tens of thousands, if not millions of covies.


The 300 Spartan III's of Beta Comapany engaged thousands of Covenant Troops on open grounds, and were in the process of winning untill Covenant Reinforcements came in. Even then, they were still fighting back pretty hard, and the Covenant had to use capital ship fire to finish them off.

Now imagine the same scenario, with Spartan's that have infinitely more combat experience along with dozens of ODST's in tight quarters. With reinforcements coming in since the external defenses would be shut down by the initial boarding party.

We already saw something similar when the Chief boarded the Truth and Reconciliation with a pretty much a dozen ODST's and some marines, and they wrecked any forces that got in their way.

It would be very possible. Solace was up there by itself, and had no nearby immediate support.

  • 10.15.2011 10:57 AM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


Posted by: HipiO7
The 300 Spartan III's of Beta Comapany engaged thousands of Covenant Troops on open grounds, and were in the process of winning untill Covenant Reinforcements came in. Even then, they were still fighting back pretty hard, and the Covenant had to use capital ship fire to finish them off.

Now imagine the same scenario, with Spartan's that have infinitely more combat experience along with dozens of ODST's in tight quarters. With reinforcements coming in since the external defenses would be shut down by the initial boarding party.

We already saw something similar when the Chief boarded the Truth and Reconciliation with a pretty much a dozen ODST's and some marines, and they wrecked any forces that got in their way.

It would be very possible. Solace was up there by itself, and had no nearby immediate support.
Thousands is smaller than tens or hundreds of thousands or millions, and if they go in with the corvette, they would be up against heavy armor and even scarabs.

  • 10.15.2011 11:15 AM PDT


Posted by: Gamer Whale

Posted by: HipiO7
The 300 Spartan III's of Beta Comapany engaged thousands of Covenant Troops on open grounds, and were in the process of winning untill Covenant Reinforcements came in. Even then, they were still fighting back pretty hard, and the Covenant had to use capital ship fire to finish them off.

Now imagine the same scenario, with Spartan's that have infinitely more combat experience along with dozens of ODST's in tight quarters. With reinforcements coming in since the external defenses would be shut down by the initial boarding party.

We already saw something similar when the Chief boarded the Truth and Reconciliation with a pretty much a dozen ODST's and some marines, and they wrecked any forces that got in their way.

It would be very possible. Solace was up there by itself, and had no nearby immediate support.
Thousands is smaller than tens or hundreds of thousands or millions, and if they go in with the corvette, they would be up against heavy armor and even scarabs.


Scarabs can't go into hallways.

  • 10.15.2011 11:17 AM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Gamer Whale

Posted by: HipiO7
The 300 Spartan III's of Beta Comapany engaged thousands of Covenant Troops on open grounds, and were in the process of winning untill Covenant Reinforcements came in. Even then, they were still fighting back pretty hard, and the Covenant had to use capital ship fire to finish them off.

Now imagine the same scenario, with Spartan's that have infinitely more combat experience along with dozens of ODST's in tight quarters. With reinforcements coming in since the external defenses would be shut down by the initial boarding party.

We already saw something similar when the Chief boarded the Truth and Reconciliation with a pretty much a dozen ODST's and some marines, and they wrecked any forces that got in their way.

It would be very possible. Solace was up there by itself, and had no nearby immediate support.
Thousands is smaller than tens or hundreds of thousands or millions, and if they go in with the corvette, they would be up against heavy armor and even scarabs.


Scarabs can't go into hallways.
I mean in the hangar. It wouldn't be tight quarters at first.

EDIT: Add covie air support to my list.

[Edited on 10.15.2011 11:22 AM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 11:21 AM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: Gamer Whale
Posted by: HipiO7
The 300 Spartan III's of Beta Comapany engaged thousands of Covenant Troops on open grounds, and were in the process of winning untill Covenant Reinforcements came in. Even then, they were still fighting back pretty hard, and the Covenant had to use capital ship fire to finish them off.

Now imagine the same scenario, with Spartan's that have infinitely more combat experience along with dozens of ODST's in tight quarters. With reinforcements coming in since the external defenses would be shut down by the initial boarding party.

We already saw something similar when the Chief boarded the Truth and Reconciliation with a pretty much a dozen ODST's and some marines, and they wrecked any forces that got in their way.

It would be very possible. Solace was up there by itself, and had no nearby immediate support.
Thousands is smaller than tens or hundreds of thousands or millions, and if they go in with the corvette, they would be up against heavy armor and even scarabs.


Scarabs can't go into hallways.


Exactly.

The Covenants heavy armor support and air support would be useless, leaving only a straight up infantry fight. The Covenant can only fill the hallways with so many troops, and since the interior of Covenant ships are long hallways, they would become killing grounds from Spartan and ODST coordinated fire.

EDIT:

Hangars are not sufficiently big enough for a Scarab to be put into and sure as hell not big enough for a Scarab to maneuver in.

And air support would be a mess. Sure, they could fly in the hangar space, but they would be taken down in a matter of seconds by concentrated fire, either that, or they would crash all over the place. It's just not smart. They'd have more of a chance on the ground as infantry than as airsupport inside a ship.

[Edited on 10.15.2011 11:27 AM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 11:24 AM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


Posted by: HipiO7
Exactly.

The Covenants heavy armor support and air support would be useless, leaving only a straight up infantry fight. The Covenant can only fill the hallways with so many troops, and since the interior of Covenant ships are long hallways, they would become killing grounds from Spartan and ODST coordinated fire.
If you read my above post, you would know that the scenario which inlvolves heavy covie support is when they enter the big hangar with the corvette...

[Edited on 10.15.2011 11:29 AM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 11:28 AM PDT

While assault carrier hangers are massive... the Spartans (or Noble Team) could use the corvette's weapons to clear those out...

  • 10.15.2011 11:29 AM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
While super carrier hangers are massive... the Spartans (or Noble Team) could use the corvette's weapons to clear those out...
It has other corvettes in it, and corvettes aren't that durable.

EDIT: Actually it might not have other corvettes in it (others being around the planet), but a lot of AA wraiths and scarabs, I bet.

[Edited on 10.15.2011 11:32 AM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 11:30 AM PDT


Posted by: Gamer Whale

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
While super carrier hangers are massive... the Spartans (or Noble Team) could use the corvette's weapons to clear those out...
It has other corvettes in it, and corvettes aren't that durable.

EDIT: Actually it might not have other corvettes in it (others being around the planet), but a lot of AA wraiths and scarabs, I bet.


I'm talking about the hanger bay we've seen, which is an Assault carrier.

Also, all the super carrier's corvettes would've been launched, and those AA wraiths and scarabs would still be easy targets for the Corvette's weapons...

  • 10.15.2011 11:33 AM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Gamer Whale

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
While super carrier hangers are massive... the Spartans (or Noble Team) could use the corvette's weapons to clear those out...
It has other corvettes in it, and corvettes aren't that durable.

EDIT: Actually it might not have other corvettes in it (others being around the planet), but a lot of AA wraiths and scarabs, I bet.


I'm talking about the hanger bay we've seen, which is an Assault carrier.

Also, all the super carrier's corvettes would've been launched, and those AA wraiths and scarabs would still be easy targets for the Corvette's weapons...
But there would be lot of them, and as seen in the end of Exodus, even one small barrage of human missiles can cause it to retreat in flames.

  • 10.15.2011 11:36 AM PDT


Posted by: Gamer Whale

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Gamer Whale

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
While super carrier hangers are massive... the Spartans (or Noble Team) could use the corvette's weapons to clear those out...
It has other corvettes in it, and corvettes aren't that durable.

EDIT: Actually it might not have other corvettes in it (others being around the planet), but a lot of AA wraiths and scarabs, I bet.


I'm talking about the hanger bay we've seen, which is an Assault carrier.

Also, all the super carrier's corvettes would've been launched, and those AA wraiths and scarabs would still be easy targets for the Corvette's weapons...
But there would be lot of them, and as seen in the end of Exodus, even one small barrage of human missiles can cause it to retreat in flames.


Difference, those missiles hit the weapons firing toward the star port.

However, let's say they take out those plasma cannons. Noble Team/Spartans then just literally flatten the hanger floor by smashing the corvette's belly down.

  • 10.15.2011 11:38 AM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Gamer Whale

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Gamer Whale

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
While super carrier hangers are massive... the Spartans (or Noble Team) could use the corvette's weapons to clear those out...
It has other corvettes in it, and corvettes aren't that durable.

EDIT: Actually it might not have other corvettes in it (others being around the planet), but a lot of AA wraiths and scarabs, I bet.


I'm talking about the hanger bay we've seen, which is an Assault carrier.

Also, all the super carrier's corvettes would've been launched, and those AA wraiths and scarabs would still be easy targets for the Corvette's weapons...
But there would be lot of them, and as seen in the end of Exodus, even one small barrage of human missiles can cause it to retreat in flames.


Difference, those missiles hit the weapons firing toward the star port.

However, let's say they take out those plasma cannons. Noble Team/Spartans then just literally flatten the hanger floor by smashing the corvette's belly down.
That wouldn't destroy the whole hangar floor, maybe about 1/4. And then covies start firing again.

  • 10.15.2011 11:47 AM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Gamer Whale
Posted by: HipiO7
Exactly.

The Covenants heavy armor support and air support would be useless, leaving only a straight up infantry fight. The Covenant can only fill the hallways with so many troops, and since the interior of Covenant ships are long hallways, they would become killing grounds from Spartan and ODST coordinated fire.
If you read my above post, you would know that the scenario which inlvolves heavy covie support is when they enter the big hangar with the corvette...


The bigger hangars are not priority one zones, and the boarding force does not have to put itself at risk trying to take those hangars.

And if they wanted to clear them out, they dont even have to step foot on them. They just open the bay doors and watch everything get blown into space or die from asphyxiation.

Problem solved.

  • 10.15.2011 11:47 AM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


Posted by: HipiO7
EDIT:

Hangars are not sufficiently big enough for a Scarab to be put into and sure as hell not big enough for a Scarab to maneuver in.

And air support would be a mess. Sure, they could fly in the hangar space, but they would be taken down in a matter of seconds by concentrated fire, either that, or they would crash all over the place. It's just not smart. They'd have more of a chance on the ground as infantry than as airsupport inside a ship.
We're talking about super carrier hangars here. Here's a UNSC frigate inside the hangar of an assault carrier. Banshees and phantoms flying around.

EDIT: And about the post above, they pretty much have to go trough the hangar if they're coming in with the corvette.

[Edited on 10.15.2011 11:59 AM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 11:55 AM PDT


Posted by: Gamer Whale

Posted by: HipiO7
The 300 Spartan III's of Beta Comapany engaged thousands of Covenant Troops on open grounds, and were in the process of winning untill Covenant Reinforcements came in. Even then, they were still fighting back pretty hard, and the Covenant had to use capital ship fire to finish them off.

Now imagine the same scenario, with Spartan's that have infinitely more combat experience along with dozens of ODST's in tight quarters. With reinforcements coming in since the external defenses would be shut down by the initial boarding party.

We already saw something similar when the Chief boarded the Truth and Reconciliation with a pretty much a dozen ODST's and some marines, and they wrecked any forces that got in their way.

It would be very possible. Solace was up there by itself, and had no nearby immediate support.
Thousands is smaller than tens or hundreds of thousands or millions, and if they go in with the corvette, they would be up against heavy armor and even scarabs.


Even if the LNoS is far larger in size than any other Covenant ship we've seen so far, you have to remember that it's still just a ship and not an open battle-field. While there might be thousands-millions of troops aboard the Supercarrier, only so many of them can come at invaders at a time, and the Spartans wouldn't be dumb enough to hole up in an area where the Covenant could easily get to them.

  • 10.15.2011 12:18 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Gamer Whale
Posted by: HipiO7
EDIT:

Hangars are not sufficiently big enough for a Scarab to be put into and sure as hell not big enough for a Scarab to maneuver in.

And air support would be a mess. Sure, they could fly in the hangar space, but they would be taken down in a matter of seconds by concentrated fire, either that, or they would crash all over the place. It's just not smart. They'd have more of a chance on the ground as infantry than as airsupport inside a ship.
We're talking about super carrier hangars here. Here's a UNSC frigate inside the hangar of an assault carrier. Banshees and phantoms flying around.

EDIT: And about the post above, they pretty much have to go trough the hangar if they're coming in with the corvette.


Yeah, I wasent referring to the bigger hangars inside the Solace. The boarding force wouldint be as stupid enough as to attack a place where they are at a severe disadvantage. Realistically, they dont even have to go into the hangars to kill everything there, they just have to open the hangar doors and let everything get blown out into space.

And of course they'd have to go through the hangar, but that would only be in Corvettes, where a Scarab sure as hell does not fit. The boarding party dosent have to go into the hangars of super carriers, it's not a priority path.

  • 10.15.2011 12:23 PM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


Posted by: HipiO7
And of course they'd have to go through the hangar, but that would only be in Corvettes, where a Scarab sure as hell does not fit. The boarding party dosent have to go into the hangars of super carriers, it's not a priority path.
So the covies in LNoS would be fine with a corvette without radio contact searching for an airlock instead of docking?

  • 10.15.2011 12:29 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Gamer Whale
Posted by: HipiO7
And of course they'd have to go through the hangar, but that would only be in Corvettes, where a Scarab sure as hell does not fit. The boarding party dosent have to go into the hangars of super carriers, it's not a priority path.
So the covies in LNoS would be fine with a corvette without radio contact searching for an airlock instead of docking?


I wouldint say without radio contact, either. I'm sure if the end plan was to take Solace, the UNSC attack force would have had some program that could respond and hack in to Covenant systems to help the attack.

  • 10.15.2011 12:41 PM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: Gamer Whale
Posted by: HipiO7
And of course they'd have to go through the hangar, but that would only be in Corvettes, where a Scarab sure as hell does not fit. The boarding party dosent have to go into the hangars of super carriers, it's not a priority path.
So the covies in LNoS would be fine with a corvette without radio contact searching for an airlock instead of docking?


I wouldint say without radio contact, either. I'm sure if the end plan was to take Solace, the UNSC attack force would have had some program that could respond and hack in to Covenant systems to help the attack.
Maybe, but they'd be still looking for that airlock... I don't see what story they could use for that... (Broken hovering equipment would cause a repair team in dropship, 'cause the corvette doesn't seem to have some connecting airlock-thing.)

  • 10.15.2011 12:51 PM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Gamer Whale
Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: Gamer Whale
Posted by: HipiO7
And of course they'd have to go through the hangar, but that would only be in Corvettes, where a Scarab sure as hell does not fit. The boarding party dosent have to go into the hangars of super carriers, it's not a priority path.
So the covies in LNoS would be fine with a corvette without radio contact searching for an airlock instead of docking?


I wouldint say without radio contact, either. I'm sure if the end plan was to take Solace, the UNSC attack force would have had some program that could respond and hack in to Covenant systems to help the attack.
Maybe, but they'd be still looking for that airlock... I don't see what story they could use for that... (Broken hovering equipment would cause a repair team in dropship, 'cause the corvette doesn't seem to have some connecting airlock-thing.)


It could always burn an airlock into the ship, similar to how in Contact Harvest the Jackals boarded the human ships.

Obviously after deactivating sensors in that area of the ship, or feeding them junk bytes.

  • 10.15.2011 12:57 PM PDT

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