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Subject: The Covenant Needler is an utterly horrible weapon

Nonsense!

Horrible as in pants--blam!-ly terrifying. This is indeed a very creative weapon.

First of all, though perspective may be skewed in the game, the needles the gun fires are about a foot and a half long; about as long as your foream. That's not a little hypodermic needle; that's a sword.
Not only are the needles huge, they also track you. So they're like heat-seeking missile-swords. In addition to that, expanding on the "missile" aspect, they explode about a second after they hit you. If you were to get hit in the neck with one of these things and it exploded, it would sever your head clean off.
Add the fact that the weapon fires like a freaking machine gun, filling every square inch of space around you with heat-seeking exploding-missile-sword-needles, and the fact that if you get hit with enough of them, they'll all explode together, which is comparable to getting stabbed in the chest with a pipe bomb, and I'd never want to leave the safety of my Warthog.
The only drawback to the Needler is that it has stupid range. Oh, wait, what's that? There's now a RIFLE that shoots even bigger explosive-sword-missiles from a thousand miles away? I might as well just strap a bomb to myself and jump off a cliff. I'd probably be much less screwed.

Discuss the Needler weapons and their awesome-scaryness.

  • 10.15.2011 6:13 AM PDT

At least they don't give horrifying burns, yellow-hot skewering, and flames.

  • 10.15.2011 6:23 AM PDT

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Well, in reach the needles don't explode, they self destruct, and it won't cause any damage to the player.

  • 10.15.2011 6:31 AM PDT

Weapon of Oppression

Too bad the muzzle velocity of the Needler is down right horrible.
If only the covenant actually focused more on improving the efficiency of their firearms they would've won much more ground skirmishes.
But the stopping power of some is great, weapons like the carbine are only as powerful as an M16.

  • 10.15.2011 8:00 AM PDT

Cave Johnson here, we're done!

PS: If you are reading this comment while imagining my voice, don't panic. That's just a side effect of the testing.


Posted by: XxGoldenXHeroxX
Well, in reach the needles don't explode, they self destruct, and it won't cause any damage to the player.


The game mechanics is not a proper representation of canon. In reach it takes a few to super-combine, in canon it just takes one for it to explode. And the devastation of it exploding is incredible.

Posted by: ExcellentSix
Too bad the muzzle velocity of the Needler is down right horrible.
If only the covenant actually focused more on improving the efficiency of their firearms they would've won much more ground skirmishes.
But the stopping power of some is great, weapons like the carbine are only as powerful as an M16.


It's not a weapon for long range combat, it's more a weapon for close range suppression. One needle (which can curve around the tree that you are running to get behind because it's tracking you) has the potential to kill you.

It's a scary and effective weapon, something without shields would be incapacitated easily.

  • 10.15.2011 8:30 AM PDT
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the covenant should have created needler turrets. That would demolish infantry and vehicles alike with ease.

  • 10.15.2011 9:00 AM PDT

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Supercombine a marine and those around him will get hurt too.

  • 10.15.2011 9:03 AM PDT


Posted by: Sparty Boy 117
the covenant should have created needler turrets. That would demolish infantry and vehicles alike with ease.
Have you not played Halo Wars?

  • 10.15.2011 9:32 AM PDT

You are lying on the cliffside, crosshair on the elites head. It is silent. His comrades have left him behind to watch guard.

You rest the reticle on his head, and lightly pull the trigger. The elite falls to the ground. Then you hearm

TCH-TCH-TCH-TCH-TCH-TCH-TCH-TCH-TCH

You look to your left and see a wall of pink fu­ck flying towards you. What do you do?

  • 10.15.2011 9:46 AM PDT

Scandinavian Master Race!


Posted by: Scatcycle3
You are lying on the cliffside, crosshair on the elites head. It is silent. His comrades have left him behind to watch guard.

You rest the reticle on his head, and lightly pull the trigger. The elite falls to the ground. Then you hearm

TCH-TCH-TCH-TCH-TCH-TCH-TCH-TCH-TCH

You look to your left and see a wall of pink fu­ck flying towards you. What do you do?
Close my eyes and accept my fate.

  • 10.15.2011 9:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Sparty Boy 117
the covenant should have created needler turrets. That would demolish infantry and vehicles alike with ease.


In Halo Wars, and in one instance in First Strike, needlers are used as anti-aircraft weaponry. And they are extremely effective.

They need to invent a needler tank. It shoots a needle he size of a Ghost, and detonated a second later, demolishing anything even remotely close. The shrapnel would be horrifying.

  • 10.15.2011 10:03 AM PDT


Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: Sparty Boy 117
the covenant should have created needler turrets. That would demolish infantry and vehicles alike with ease.


In Halo Wars, and in one instance in First Strike, needlers are used as anti-aircraft weaponry. And they are extremely effective.

They need to invent a needler tank. It shoots a needle he size of a Ghost, and detonated a second later, demolishing anything even remotely close. The shrapnel would be horrifying.


Then the needle-crystal shrapnel explodes for good meassure.

[Edited on 10.15.2011 10:38 AM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 10:05 AM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: Sparty Boy 117
the covenant should have created needler turrets. That would demolish infantry and vehicles alike with ease.


In Halo Wars, and in one instance in First Strike, needlers are used as anti-aircraft weaponry. And they are extremely effective.

They need to invent a needler tank. It shoots a needle he size of a Ghost, and detonated a second later, demolishing anything even remotely close. The shrapnel would be horrifying.


The the needle-crystal shrapnel explodes for good meassure.


And the shrapnel from the shrapnel explosion explodes.

  • 10.15.2011 10:11 AM PDT

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If you have seen the Landfall videos, then you've seen the more realistic speed of a Spiker dart, I bet the Needler ammo travels at a similar speed, Kind of like a very high powered paintball gun, maybe 300- 400 fps. With it's flesh seeking powers it would be a terrifying weapon.

  • 10.15.2011 10:12 AM PDT

I always thought it was absurd and retarded as how too overpowered the Needler was in terms of the canon.

  • 10.15.2011 10:12 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

Then don't use it..?

  • 10.15.2011 2:20 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

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We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Then don't use it..?

lol
OT: Those are freaky! A single needle in any limb could potentially remove it. It is silly strong. They should have ditched plasma and gave everyone a needler or needle rifle. They would have done much better.

  • 10.15.2011 2:31 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

I always had a rather harrowing image of Dante after he dies in GoO by having his whole chest cavity blown out by Needlers.

  • 10.15.2011 2:36 PM PDT

This is actually the stupidest thing ever posted on B.net:

Posted by: the omega man117
Why does everyone hate Halo 2? Maybe its because its the worst game ever next to mario.

Double Needlers = One of coolest dual wieldable weapon combinations of all time.

  • 10.15.2011 3:22 PM PDT

"Where ere thou hast been, here or in yon world manifest? Canst thou tell what is, or what was, or what is to come? No thing shall last. Yet there are some things that will never change. History is written in blood, yet are battles really lost on the battlefield? Canst thou tell me where thou comest, and where thou goest, and what is, or what was, or what will be? For everything remains, AS IT NEVER WAS."

Haha, well played OP, I about flipped on you!

Posted by: tinyohyeah
The game mechanics is not a proper representation of canon. In reach it takes a few to super-combine, in canon it just takes one for it to explode. And the devastation of it exploding is incredible.

I'm pretty sure it's an accurate occurrence in-game as well as canonically. Technically, however, the shattering crystals should do far more damage to Marines, not so much MJOLNIR.

Look at it this way. The gentle little "tinkling" when the single crystals would canonically shred flesh and fabric. The 7-needle Supercombine would practically vaporize the victim.

  • 10.15.2011 6:18 PM PDT

another thing that just adds to it is the fact that the needle takes a second or two two explode. so just imaging you get shot with ONE needle in the abdomen, you still have enough time to look down see the needle in you and think "oh -blam!-."

  • 10.15.2011 8:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: Papa Chief 6
Needler has its pros & cons: if you can see it coming. You can evade them like nothing, how ever if your off your guard and they come at you from behind (bow chicka bow wow) then odds are..your dead. A great ambush weapon. Needle Rifle > DMR. Nuff said.


IRl the only thing dodging those is going to be a Spartan...

  • 10.16.2011 1:45 PM PDT
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Nerfle sucks, but Needler is satan in terms of gameplay for me. I get shot across the map and there is nothing I can do to avoid the needles because of the distance they were shot at. I even get screwed over in close quarters because the needles turn 360 degrees to get me.

I pick it up, fire it at long distance, the needles turn 1 degree and lose their target. And in close quarters they don't even home in for me.

That gun is evil I tell you! Evil!

  • 10.16.2011 2:11 PM PDT