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Subject: So when did FoR's plot kick in during Halo: Reach?

Just curious. Since we now know that the first three quarters of Halo: Reach was covered up by ONI, what point in the game exactly did the novel's story on Reach start?

  • 10.15.2011 4:03 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

Halo: Reach completely disregards the novel.

  • 10.15.2011 4:06 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

About a day before The Package starts, I believe.

[Edited on 10.15.2011 4:08 PM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 4:06 PM PDT

I don't believe that the novel and the game could be put along side each other at all.

It's more like 2 parallel universes that ended with the same conculison. In the novel, RED FLAG never occured and therefore none of the game ever happened. Infact, the novel states that chief was up in space in the Pillar of Autumn all ready for a mission with his fellow spartans. The battle of reach technically lasted an hour at most.

  • 10.15.2011 4:10 PM PDT

CrimsonPandaStudios

Red flag did never happen. Not in game or in the book. Book and game cooexist. 343 is starting to explain ``canon flaws``

Guy above dont know what he is talking about

[Edited on 10.15.2011 4:16 PM PDT]

  • 10.15.2011 4:15 PM PDT


Posted by: The BS Police
Halo: Reach completely disregards the novel.


343 doesn't.

  • 10.15.2011 4:16 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.


Posted by: The BS Police
Halo: Reach completely disregards the novel.

..and replaces it with a crappy story.

  • 10.15.2011 4:18 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan 2104
Red flag did never happen. Not in game or in the book. Book and game cooexist. 343 is starting to explain ``canon flaws``

Guy above dont know what he is talking about


Seriously? 343 is mad if they're trying to align their own canon with Bungie's at The FoR. Like , bungie wrote it completely different for a reason. And that reason is because an hour long battle where the covenant overwhelmed all the super mac cannons and the PoA tried to leave, then came back, then left, just wouldn't work as a game. Reach fell, even with the SPARTAN-II's on the ground fighting... loosing, then getting trapped in under ground network of tunnels as states in First Strike.

  • 10.15.2011 4:20 PM PDT


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9

Posted by: The BS Police
Halo: Reach completely disregards the novel.

..and replaces it with a crappy story.

Agreed. Find hard to believe that people defend the game when the story is horrible written and destroys a very important piece of canon.

  • 10.15.2011 4:23 PM PDT

CrimsonPandaStudios

Bungie expanded the battle. The fall of reach is good as it is now. No one in this forum have read the ``halo story bible`` or works for Bungie. For all we know the fall of reach was meant to be longer since the beginning, we just learned it now. The entire ``canon flaw`` argument is stupid. Bungie made the canon, they know what they where doing. They, now 343 have know so much more than us about the halo universe, and is going to reviel it over time

  • 10.15.2011 4:30 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan 2104
Bungie expanded the battle. The fall of reach is good as it is now.

The fact that the battle is longer now doesn't makes the story better. They missed the point of Reach falling in one day, and expanded the battle for no real reason. Seriously, what was the purpose of making the battle longer? The worst part is that they can't back up the stuff they added in the game.

For example, the Covenant pulling that tower out of their ass, how did they even managed to do that without the UNSC realizing this? Because they were far from civilization? Yeah, because a tower that size can be easily built without the UNSC knowing what's going on.

Or what about the Corvettes? Yeah, you know, those ships that aren't shielded. Wasn't that the reason we were losing the war to begin with? Because, while the ground battles could have different results, the space battles usually had horrible results for the UNSC. The fact that the Corvettes are all over Reach, and the UNSC can't against them is just plain ridiculous and makes no sense. Who wrote this game? Seriously.

Posted by: Spartan 2104
No one in this forum have read the ``halo story bible`` or works for Bungie.

Oh God... not another one. Yes, we haven't read the Halo Story Bible, we read The Fall of Reach and then Bungie confirmed it was canon! It was a fact, it fitted perfectly with the current universe.

Posted by: Spartan 2104
For all we know the fall of reach was meant to be longer since the beginning, we just learned it now.

lolno.


Posted by: Spartan 2104
The entire ``canon flaw`` argument is stupid. Bungie made the canon, they know what they where doing.

Bungie made the canon, I agree, but it makes no sense for them to change the universe we know for no apparent reason other than to make cash and please the idiots who thought that it was ridiculous for Reach to fall in a day. 'Cause you know, if the battle is longer, no one will care for the plot holes, and makes this the best story ever written for a video game.

No, they don't know what they are doing. Have you even played Reach? Most of the story makes no sense at all. Bungie can't explain half of the stuff is going on, it just happened, that's it. That's all the explanation you need for the Covenant appearing out of nowhere in Reach, for the UNSC to lack of missiles to destroy a single super carrier or corvettes. Yeah, heart of the UNSC... ladies and gentlemen... Reach!

  • 10.15.2011 4:43 PM PDT

People! I know it's hard to believe but both are still considered canon. Just because Bungie made a game saying different things doesn't mean it's not true. The PoA still left on the same day via Cortana's direction from a forerunner star map.

Parallel worlds do happen, RED FLAG was the apparent cause of Halo : Reach. And a probe attached to the under side of the PoA from Sigma Octavius IV in the Fall of Reach. Though both supposedly only happened theoretically because Medicant Bias was looking for the other parts of himself. But that's just one theory I like.

Believe which ever you wish! Or neither! Whatever! Everyone can believe whatever they want about how Reach fell and the process that lead MC and Cortana to Halo to start off the rest of it. I mean, in the end, they come to the same point in time. So why couldn't they just be assumed to be Parallel Worlds?

  • 10.15.2011 5:05 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.


Posted by: fxnavarro
Don't listen to anyone saying that Reach disregards the novel.

Laughable.

  • 10.15.2011 6:34 PM PDT

PEANUT-BUTTER SLAP!

Posted by: ExoditeDRider
Parallel worlds do happen
You need to stop saying that.
Posted by: ExoditeDRider
So why couldn't they just be assumed to be Parallel Worlds?
It's an ass-pull of an explanation without any sort of logical backing.

  • 10.15.2011 6:41 PM PDT

Friends before pixels.


Posted by: The BS Police
Halo: Reach completely disregards the novel.

  • 10.15.2011 6:48 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.


Posted by: fxnavarro

Posted by: a casual banana

Posted by: The BS Police
Halo: Reach completely disregards the novel.


oh god, troll alert ^^^^

oh god, ignorance alert ^^^

  • 10.15.2011 6:57 PM PDT


Posted by: fxnavarro

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
Just curious. Since we now know that the first three quarters of Halo: Reach was covered up by ONI, what point in the game exactly did the novel's story on Reach start?


Hold up you just said that it was covered up by ONI.
So you are saying that the story of Noble Team and Reach were a creation of ONI?

I must admit you are now on the list of ignorant people on these forums. The story of Halo Reach has been confirmed canon when it was already blatantly obvious that it was canon in the first place.


You are an idiot.

I meant something completely different; ONI hiding the first three quarters of the game from the rest of the planet, i.e., what 343 has come up with to explain the incongruities.

It's like 343 had to come in a clean to mess Bungie made up.

[Edited on 10.16.2011 3:40 AM PDT]

  • 10.16.2011 3:38 AM PDT

Posted by: Juan Teran
The fact that the battle is longer now doesn't makes the story better. They missed the point of Reach falling in one day, and expanded the battle for no real reason. Seriously, what was the purpose of making the battle longer? The worst part is that they can't back up the stuff they added in the game.

For example, the Covenant pulling that tower out of their ass, how did they even managed to do that without the UNSC realizing this? Because they were far from civilization? Yeah, because a tower that size can be easily built without the UNSC knowing what's going on.

Or what about the Corvettes? Yeah, you know, those ships that aren't shielded. Wasn't that the reason we were losing the war to begin with? Because, while the ground battles could have different results, the space battles usually had horrible results for the UNSC. The fact that the Corvettes are all over Reach, and the UNSC can't against them is just plain ridiculous and makes no sense. Who wrote this game? Seriously.


Making the battle longer was a far better decision than what Nylund chose in TFoR. The way he depicted the battle was simply not believable and that distracted completely from the story for me. The significance about Reach is that it fell, the time it took to fall is irrelevant to the significance of the battle.

Did you see the new ONI Data Drop that 343i released recently? That explains almost everything you're complaining about in this thread completely. The initial invasion was kept a closely guarded secret by ONI as part of the preparatory stage of RED FLAG. Only ONI and possibly a select few members of the UNSC knew before the 24th that the Covenant was on Reach. And even after the 24th that information was closely guarded. Only those in and very closely around the Vierry Territory knew about the Covenant, at least in the case of civilians and such, Reach's army knew they were present.

The Data Drops have also made it clear that Reach's defenses were scaled back a bit to lure the Covenant in, and that is why the LNoS and however many Corvettes it had were giving the UNSC such a hard time. Plus, do you really think that they were just going to let the LNoS sit there until someone came up with a plan? They would have sent a lot of the ships they had available at Reach to try and take it out at first, and they obviously had heavy losses, hence the whole reason they were willing to accept Kat's plan.

Oh God... not another one. Yes, we haven't read the Halo Story Bible, we read The Fall of Reach and then Bungie confirmed it was canon! It was a fact, it fitted perfectly with the current universe.

Just because TFoR was confirmed as canon does not mean that it is the full and completely picture. And likewise you really think that notes about an event from that early along in Halo's conception is going to remain exactly the same in every possible way ten years later or even a week after Nylund is done writing his book and is beyond the point where he can change the story?

So what? Just because it fits doesn't mean that it's canon, or that every single detail in a story is canon, or that it will remain canon forever. Case in point being the first encounters with the various Covenant species. The universe of a story evolves over time, get used to it.

Bungie made the canon, I agree, but it makes no sense for them to change the universe we know for no apparent reason other than to make cash and please the idiots who thought that it was ridiculous for Reach to fall in a day. 'Cause you know, if the battle is longer, no one will care for the plot holes, and makes this the best story ever written for a video game.

No, they don't know what they are doing. Have you even played Reach? Most of the story makes no sense at all. Bungie can't explain half of the stuff is going on, it just happened, that's it. That's all the explanation you need for the Covenant appearing out of nowhere in Reach, for the UNSC to lack of missiles to destroy a single super carrier or corvettes. Yeah, heart of the UNSC... ladies and gentlemen... Reach!


-.- Are you seriously naive enough to believe that Bungie would change their story for the heck of it and solely for a momentary reason? That assumption just does not make any kind of sense whatsoever. Reach would have sold just as well set within TFoR's story as it did with the story we have now. Oh really and what would all of these supposed plot holes be? 'Cause I'm sure as hell not seeing any.

And did it not occur to you that perhaps Bungie was leaving the explanations up to 343i because Bungie was no longer managing Halo and may have felt better leaving the matter of what, if anything, should be fixed up to 343i who are the managers now? If 343i hadn't been taking over right after Reach was released and Bungie were still with Halo then I'm sure they would have provided the answers. That's certainly how I would have felt, I'd have written out how I would reconcile the two stories in notes and then leave it up to my successor whether they wanted to stick with my idea or not. And just because Bungie decided not to release any information on how TFoR and Reach fit together definitely does not mean they can't explain it. There is a very clear and distinct difference between the two.

Oh really? The Covenant appearing "out of nowhere", like they've done to pretty much every planet they've invaded, is a problem now? That's how almost all of the Covenant invasions have been, them appearing out of nowhere and just randomly blundering across UNSC planets. Earth anyone? While Truth may have know about Earth being UNSC terf, Regret sure didn't, and he blundered across Earth and appeared out of nowhere.
Did you even listen to the dialogue? They weren't talking about missiles, they were talking about nukes, while some nukes might be missiles not all of them are. Also, they specifically said that all of their nukes were out of system or went down with the ships they were on. Oh and remember this little factoid from GoO, the UNSC didn't exactly have a very large supply of nukes, that was part of the reason that Blue Team was raiding the Innie base, to recover nuclear materials both to keep them out of rebel hands and to gain the UNSC some of materials they were lacking.

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  • 10.21.2011 10:35 PM PDT

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  • 10.21.2011 10:45 PM PDT


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  • 10.22.2011 7:41 AM PDT