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Subject: The mention of Brutes in Grasslands

Did I read it right?

""We might find Kig-Yar traders willing to do business, but do you really think Jiralhanae can maintain our technology now the Huragok have fled?"

And he goes onto to say how Elites could employ Brutes and Grunts to help out with maintence, and wondering weather there were anymore LOYAL Brutes! What does this mean? That there are Brutes who are mates with Elites? I'm clueless.





[Edited on 10.17.2011 9:02 AM PDT]

  • 10.17.2011 9:01 AM PDT

It means, despite every other canon source telling us Brutes and Elites don't get along and their culture's couldn't mesh well, the Elites are employing brutes as techs/engineers.

Which makes no sense since the brutes completely murdered the elite leadership and many of their soldiers.

And the Elites never allowed brutes to get fully equipped ships, so how could they learn enough to maintain ships when the drones and engineers did it all for them?

  • 10.17.2011 9:08 AM PDT
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I think it was the profets pressure that made the two species fight.
Now that profets gone nothing has changed (for humans) well jk just read that in glasslands.
The shanghell might have friendly relations .

  • 10.17.2011 9:48 AM PDT


Posted by: anish panchalin
Some brutes never rebelled (possible, evidently). There might have been some low - ranking brutes on elite cruisers for example or brute farmers/ slave workers on their home planet that they captured or spared because they had no part in murdering the high council and they didn't wish to fight.

Brutes don't neccesarily need to maintain stuff, they should be better at farming though seeing as they're naturally more self- sufficient and less reliant on the covenant empire than the elites were


Brutes are hunters, not farmers. They've never been described otherwise.

That and their planet is extremely wartorn so who would farm it?

  • 10.17.2011 10:02 AM PDT

OMG a Pwny!

We know the Brutes didn't create the Chopper, but they may have continued to build them. I don't recall if we got specifics on where the Prowler comes from. I'm not saying the Brutes are geniuses, but I'll bet they are craftier than we give them credit for.

Also I'll bet there will be more discussion on these things as the book progresses, 343 knows that something like that is a big bomb to drop with no explanation, I'm sure something will come of it in following pages.

  • 10.17.2011 10:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

This was already discussed in two other threads.

  • 10.17.2011 10:35 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
It means, despite every other canon source telling us Brutes and Elites don't get along and their culture's couldn't mesh well, the Elites are employing brutes as techs/engineers.

Which makes no sense since the brutes completely murdered the elite leadership and many of their soldiers.

And the Elites never allowed brutes to get fully equipped ships, so how could they learn enough to maintain ships when the drones and engineers did it all for them?



More proof that the books are a dodgey source in some cases. But I'm intrested to see if this is explained in any futher detail. It is a strange thought though.

  • 10.17.2011 12:22 PM PDT


Posted by: HipiO7
This was already discussed in two other threads.


Sorry I'll just wade through loads of posts about other topic instead of just making a direct thread about this.

  • 10.17.2011 12:23 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

It's Glasslands.

  • 10.17.2011 12:37 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Just because a lot of brutes hated the elites does not mean all did. It is possible there were elite sympathizers or at least some brutes who liked elites. They were also refused engineers for their ships and had to rely on drones for maintenance. It is possible some brutes learned the ships out of necessity and are experienced engineers.

  • 10.17.2011 12:44 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999
Just because a lot of brutes hated the elites does not mean all did. It is possible there were elite sympathizers or at least some brutes who liked elites. They were also refused engineers for their ships and had to rely on drones for maintenance. It is possible some brutes learned the ships out of necessity and are experienced engineers.


Maybe. Seems doubtful though.

  • 10.17.2011 3:43 PM PDT


Posted by: Alfdog

Posted by: Xd00999
Just because a lot of brutes hated the elites does not mean all did. It is possible there were elite sympathizers or at least some brutes who liked elites. They were also refused engineers for their ships and had to rely on drones for maintenance. It is possible some brutes learned the ships out of necessity and are experienced engineers.


Maybe. Seems doubtful though.


To quote someone who's name I do not recall: "to say all Brutes hated the Elites, is akin to saying all Muslims are terrorists."

  • 10.17.2011 4:03 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Alfdog

Posted by: Xd00999
Just because a lot of brutes hated the elites does not mean all did. It is possible there were elite sympathizers or at least some brutes who liked elites. They were also refused engineers for their ships and had to rely on drones for maintenance. It is possible some brutes learned the ships out of necessity and are experienced engineers.


Maybe. Seems doubtful though.


To quote someone who's name I do not recall: "to say all Brutes hated the Elites, is akin to saying all Muslims are terrorists."


Personally I find that comparison to be completely and utterly misleading and false.

A: Islam specifically bans terrorist acts.
B: It also forbids attacking enemy civilians.

The better comparison is "To say a decent number of brutes didn't mind elites, is like saying a decent number of Crusaders during the great crusades didn't mind Muslims or letting them repair their gear."

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  • 10.17.2011 4:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

While that is perhaps a more accurate comparison, I think ROBERTO's was better. I'm sure both sides would be willing to make compromises in their desperate states.

  • 10.17.2011 4:49 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999
While that is perhaps a more accurate comparison, I think ROBERTO's was better. I'm sure both sides would be willing to make compromises in their desperate states.


Eh, Roberto's wasn't IMO due to the factor of "All previous canon mentions point toward not nice neutral relations being the best." Where as Muslims in general are not terrorists.

  • 10.17.2011 4:59 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Alfdog

Posted by: Xd00999
Just because a lot of brutes hated the elites does not mean all did. It is possible there were elite sympathizers or at least some brutes who liked elites. They were also refused engineers for their ships and had to rely on drones for maintenance. It is possible some brutes learned the ships out of necessity and are experienced engineers.


Maybe. Seems doubtful though.


To quote someone who's name I do not recall: "to say all Brutes hated the Elites, is akin to saying all Muslims are terrorists."


Personally I find that comparison to be completely and utterly misleading and false.

A: Islam specifically bans terrorist acts.
B: It also forbids attacking enemy civilians.

The better comparison is "To say a decent number of brutes didn't mind elites, is like saying a decent number of Crusaders during the great crusades didn't mind Muslims or letting them repair their gear."


That's the point. Back when the 9/11 attacks occured, there was extreme bias against Muslims in the U.S. with baseless police raids, arrests, and general segregation country-wide. Same with Japanese people during WWII, but worse.

The point of the analogy, to me anyway, is to say that belonging to one group of people does not mean that you condone the acts of certain individuals in that group. Not all Brutes are anti-Elite extremists, just as well as not all Muslims are not terrorists--most aren't in fact, but that isn't the point. To believe so is to percieve that group in a one dimensional point of view.

  • 10.17.2011 5:07 PM PDT