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Subject: flood vs dead space necromorphs

Have you ever seen what the flood has infected? The flood can infect dead brutes,grunts,and the dead body of the prophet became a GRAVEMIND. I am POSITIVE it can infect that.

  • 10.28.2011 2:13 PM PDT

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Also the flood can adapt over time remember the necromorphs could get infected if the flood is able to adapt, and who is to say that the gravemind may be trying to create new flood forms to infect them. Have one under its control and have it be tested.

Remember the flood also use vent tactics, thats how all the tiny ones fall out ontop of you and start biting at you and who is to say that the gravemind will make more.

Also if the flood can infect faster than the necromorphs then the nercomorphs will be outcompeted by the flood for bodies. A dead body will be infected by both flood and necro's the flood would win and the necro may be due to at its young age be eaten up due to its vulnerability. This creates an immunity and an ability for the flood to counter it.

Also you have to look at bacteria to understand. Ever considered why some bacterias make a comeback its because they can adapt. Also if someone was bleeding the flood will infect them first, even before the necro can infect them properly.

  • 10.28.2011 2:23 PM PDT

well a very good match indeed but overall my guess would be necromorphs would win more often because they can infect tissue as can flood but, necromorphs are stronger and work together to get there targets flood run around under one command destroy gravemind you win will it be hard most definitely would it work over time more than likely

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: Astartes Marine
Posted by: grey101
The halo affect was far from the "last resort" which means you have done ever single other option. They did not try to reconcile with the humans and just ask for a cure, they did not abandon the mantle and just kill the flood, they did not fight in full force.
Therefore they did not use halo as a last resort.


Ahem, the games themselves beg to differ there sir.

As quoted by 343 Guilty Spark, Monitor of Installation 04 in the final level of Halo 2:
"Weapons of last resort. Built by the Forerunners to eliminate potential Flood hosts, thereby rendering the Parasite harmless." - To the Arbiter about Halo.

"After exhausting every other strategic option, my creators activated the rings. They, and all additional sentient life within three radii of the galactic center, died, as planned. Would you like to see the relevant data?" - To the Arbiter.

He quite clearly mentioned "last resort".



In regards to the OP, tough fight but I'd give the overall advantage to the Flood. The Necros take longer to create combat effective forms ad the subject must be dead beforehand, plus usually require an Infector for the full transformation. Flood on the other hand either a single infection form can do the job in seconds, or airborne spores can be inhaled and the victim need not be dead.


Also: "Know that a thousand other plans were tried and failed"

--Didact.



The games don't say every little detail while cryptum gives a bigger view. Don't you remember in halo 3 when guilty spark says he doesn't know every little thing incase the flood got him? So ofcourse he wouldn't know what did work on the flood or where the forerunners went to because the flood would adapt.


Again, it clearly wasn't a last resort since they didn't try making amends with the humans and just asking for help. Nor did they use full military might or even try reaching out to other advanced races in the galaxy.
Because there is no way in hell there were only 3 advanced races when the forerunners didn't even control a full percent of the galaxy.

So maybe if they tried a thousand and one,two,or three plans they could have one. They didn't think of abandoning the mantle which is the whole reason they didn't kill the flood.

  • 10.28.2011 3:47 PM PDT

In regards to novels and "canon". I will pick and choose which ones to support as I damn well please. Cryptum and Glasslands are irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

Don't like that? Boo hoo.

Sure they're "canon" but that doesn't mean I have to support them, their existence, or the continued careers of their respective writers.

Posted by: grey101
The games don't say every little detail while cryptum gives a bigger view. Don't you remember in halo 3 when guilty spark says he doesn't know every little thing incase the flood got him? So ofcourse he wouldn't know what did work on the flood or where the forerunners went to because the flood would adapt.

"Not at all. While I had a complete understanding of Installation 04, my Makers wisely limited my knowledge of all other strategic facilities. Compartmentalization - in case was ever captured, by the Flood."
Limited knowledge of facilities, nowhere does he mention lack of knowledge on the history of the conflict.

Posted by: grey101
Again, it clearly wasn't a last resort since they didn't try making amends with the humans and just asking for help. Nor did they use full military might or even try reaching out to other advanced races in the galaxy.

Ehh, you're getting into the novels which is questionable canon to begin with. Yeah I'm not going there, never cared for Cryptum's "humanity's empire before humanity" idea either.

So yeah, I'm taking 343 GS's word over the book.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Astartes Marine
Posted by: grey101
The games don't say every little detail while cryptum gives a bigger view. Don't you remember in halo 3 when guilty spark says he doesn't know every little thing incase the flood got him? So ofcourse he wouldn't know what did work on the flood or where the forerunners went to because the flood would adapt.

"Not at all. While I had a complete understanding of Installation 04, my Makers wisely limited my knowledge of all other strategic facilities. Compartmentalization - in case was ever captured, by the Flood."
Limited knowledge of facilities, nowhere does he mention lack of knowledge on the history of the conflict.

Posted by: grey101
Again, it clearly wasn't a last resort since they didn't try making amends with the humans and just asking for help. Nor did they use full military might or even try reaching out to other advanced races in the galaxy.

Ehh, you're getting into the novels which is questionable canon to begin with. Yeah I'm not going there, never cared for Cryptum's "humanity's empire before humanity" idea either.

So yeah, I'm taking 343 GS's word over the book.



Yet we know that the forerunners lived after the fire but 343 says they died. yea, he knows everything.


And there is nothing "questionable" about the "book canon". you do not pick and choose what is and isn't canon unless there are major issues. I have a slight bone with Glasslands yet i still know it is canon and will never say otherwise

  • 10.28.2011 4:42 PM PDT

In regards to novels and "canon". I will pick and choose which ones to support as I damn well please. Cryptum and Glasslands are irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

Don't like that? Boo hoo.

Sure they're "canon" but that doesn't mean I have to support them, their existence, or the continued careers of their respective writers.

Posted by: grey101
Yet we know that the forerunners lived after the fire but 343 says they died. yea, he knows everything.

Retconning the games huh? 343 says they are dead now unless another game states otherwise then that's what I'm going with.

Posted by: grey101
And there is nothing "questionable" about the "book canon". you do not pick and choose what is and isn't canon unless there are major issues. I have a slight bone with Glasslands yet i still know it is canon and will never say otherwise

Oh I can pick and choose very easily. Karen Traviss? Oh her works aside from the novel Hard Contact don't exist as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah until it gets into the games it's not nearly as relevant to me. Sure it's nice to have some expanded lore and Nylund did some really good stuff, but there's a bit of it that...well to be blunt I think is crap. Cryptum and Glasslands are two perfect examples.

  • 10.28.2011 4:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Your a moron and i am done trying to explain this to you.

But regardless. You are wrong, and you do not pick canon. Especially when frankie clearly stated that the books,games and all halo media will now be interwoven with each other.

Which means Games=books.

  • 10.28.2011 5:21 PM PDT

We believe that the universe is unbounded: this is not the same as infinite: the 2-D surface of a sphere, wrapped around a 3rd dimension, has a finite size, but has no end. If you start off in a given direction on the surface of a sphere, you could return to your start point without having to turn around -- you simply go all the way around. But wouldn't that mean the universe has an escape velocity like the earth?


Posted by: grey101
Your a moron and i am done trying to explain this to you.

But regardless. You are wrong, and you do not pick canon. Especially when frankie clearly stated that the books,games and all halo media will now be interwoven with each other.

Which means Games=books.
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Amen to that. Don't stress too much, let the vines of ignorance wither away with time.

~B2

  • 10.28.2011 5:23 PM PDT

In regards to novels and "canon". I will pick and choose which ones to support as I damn well please. Cryptum and Glasslands are irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

Don't like that? Boo hoo.

Sure they're "canon" but that doesn't mean I have to support them, their existence, or the continued careers of their respective writers.

Posted by: grey101
Your a moron

I'm glad you're done if you're going to resort to petty insults. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Posted by: Bungie2
Amen to that. Don't stress too much, let the vines of ignorance wither away with time.
~B2

Ignorance? Really?

  • 10.28.2011 5:49 PM PDT

3 years and only 1 ban, try harder next time noobs.


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Xenomorph > Necromorph > Flood

Sorry.


I think you rate Xeno's a little high there. (we are talking about the Aliens franchise ones yes?)

  • 10.28.2011 7:37 PM PDT

Do not want

good lord, I've been gone for a year and these vs. are still around? why did I sstart that -blam!-?

  • 10.28.2011 7:56 PM PDT

We believe that the universe is unbounded: this is not the same as infinite: the 2-D surface of a sphere, wrapped around a 3rd dimension, has a finite size, but has no end. If you start off in a given direction on the surface of a sphere, you could return to your start point without having to turn around -- you simply go all the way around. But wouldn't that mean the universe has an escape velocity like the earth?


Posted by: Astartes Marine
Posted by: grey101
Your a moron

I'm glad you're done if you're going to resort to petty insults. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Posted by: Bungie2
Amen to that. Don't stress too much, let the vines of ignorance wither away with time.
~B2

Ignorance? Really?


Canon is not to be determined by the reader, but is determined by order of importance. As everything is fair play now, Glasslands is canon, Cryptum is Canon, you cannot say that you don't like parts and therefore it is wrong when it is actual fact within the Halo universe.

~B2

  • 10.29.2011 3:27 AM PDT

Amen bro, amen.

  • 10.29.2011 3:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz


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Posted by: grey101

1. the forerunners didn't fight the flood with a full military, the forerunners waited 300 years to do anything, the forerunners didn't take the flood seriously, and the forerunners wouldn't kill them due to the "mantle".


Thus the forerunners not beating them holds no weight. Not to mention they would have won despite all of that had mendicant bias not seen how horrible of a race they are.

2.The necromorphs are poor in intelligence but can hunt in packs and overwhelm you in diversity rather than sheer numbers like the flood. Last time a checked they didn't have the huge yellow spots in the motion comics,why? because that is a gameplay device telling you where to shoot.

Everybody picked up where to shoot the flood after getting your ass handed to you on the library.

3.Engineer that has retired from what 30 years (i think) in the military? not to mention that the game is dark and suppose to be scary; The flood were scary in the first two games due to fighting them in low level lighting.


Again; if the lighting was turned down and we have a game that was about fighting the flood more so than the covenant the flood would be scary. The flood have never been the direct main enemy so the focus hasn't been on them.

o0o master chief is scared sh1tless by the flood,FYI
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1. Whether or not one classes the Forerunners to have not done muh about the Flood for three hundred years, the point is that the Flood infected and brought the Forerunners to near extinction...the Ecumene, brought to its knees, a civilisation spanning the whole milky way with Tier 1 technology, forced to commit galactic genocide in order to halt the wretched infection.

2. I have never seen the Necromorphs hunt in packs in any Dead Space game. I have played the story mode of both games, twice, and they attack similar to the Flood, in numbers with varying forms. It is an effective means of attack for both Flood and Necromorphs, both of which use ranged, combat and carrier forms. In their means of attack, the two are identical. And the yellow spots on Necros? That's canon confirmed, it's on several of the Dead Space wiki articles.

3. Isaac Clarke was in the Merchant Marines for about, 15-20 years at the maximum. Merchant Marines essentially protect cargo travelling from system to system. Essentially, like an Airport Security Guard of today. Has some basic training with weapons and combat, but nothing beyond basic....I doubt Isaac saw much, if any, combat in his years as a mere Merchant Marine.

I doubt Halo's Flood could be as scary as Dead Space's Necros in gameplay, because the Necros are sent into the map using shock moments. Usually those bloody vents that I hate so much.[/quote]

1.please use modern English and you just ignored all of the factors that caused the forerunners to fall. your avoiding the point.

And the Ecumene was brought down single-handedly by mendicant bias; not the the flood. Nor where the forerunners brought "to near extinction" by the flood. They used the Halos and hid before the flood could truly damage their race.


The point being the flood honestly didn't do anything to the forerunners. they just acted as cowards and moved before it could.

2."I have never seen them hunt in packs".

That means you never played deadspace two, and since when is a wiki considered the source for anything? the only wikis i know that should actually be trusted word for word are RPG wikis like the fallout wiki.

And the necromorphs have several ranged forms; halowars aside the flood only have one.

3.Regardless he knows his way around a weapon.


1. "please use modern english" AHH CRAP! How could I have missed out the "c" in "much"? What was I THINKING?? I'm so sorry, captain. I'll never miss a letter out again, mein Fuhrer.

1. Moving on to the point, you just proved the Flood's prowess yourself. Their ability to create a Gravemind which manipulate the most powerful Forerunner AI ever is a good sign of being pretty damn powerful. And of course the Forerunners got smacked pretty badly by the Flood for christ's sake, they were having to wipe whole solar systems in desperate attempts to slow the ferocious advances the Flood were making (which quite obviously, were not truly effective). They used the Halo array because it was their LAST option. Nothing else could halt the damn Flood by that point.

2. I have already said in my last post that I've played Dead Space 2 twice, so can you stop questioning that? I like the DS games, why would I lie about it?? With two playthroughs I can confirm that the Necromorphs do not hunt in packs. They are intellegent enough to use the venting systems as a means to attack, but that's about it.

And right, of course. No-one can trust/use the Dead Space wiki for Dead Space information because of course, there are hundreds of mischievous internet trolls editing and ruining that wiki every hour! The information must all be incorrect and untrustable with it being a wiki...

3. Isaac Clarke is, whether you like it or not, a CEC Engineer who "knows his way around a weapon". John-117, on the other hand, is a biologically and technologically enhanced super-soldier wearing titanium alloy armour with energy shielding, as well as being near flawless with the average rifle/pistol and capable of using any UNSC or Covie weapon he picks up to a good skill.

I think it's pretty clear why it's less scary to face the Flood as John-117 than it is to face the Necromorphs as Isaac Clarke.

Ugh, I'm practically having to repeat my whole last post. -_-



1. Medicant bias wasn't manipulated he chose the flood, he appealed to the logic the gravemind offered. it wasn't until 10,000 years later he realized he picked the wrong side.

in otherwords it was his forerunnality.


The halo affect was far from the "last resort" which means you have done ever single other option. They did not try to reconcile with the humans and just ask for a cure, they did not abandon the mantle and just kill the flood, they did not fight in full force.

Therefore they did not use halo as a last resort.

2. no in your last post you said you have played every single deadspace game. Which i find interesting because even in deadspace one there were plenty of times were i was flanked by a slasher or set up to think i wasn't being flanked by one.

not to mention dead space 2 has "the pack" which are infected children that hunt in packs. Along with the stalkers.

your lying.

and a wiki isn't an official source unless it is highly maintained and source to the bone like the fallout wiki. which actually has interviews with the devs and everything.

4. you do understand that the main point of this is to talk about who is more effective as a parasite; which would be the necromorphs. using something subjective as fear isn't going to get you anywhere.


1. Gravemind's intellect and ability to manipulate AI's logic (see: Cortana....) is obviously a key factor in MB's turn to the Flood. You seriously cannot deny that.

2. Have you ever actually seen a "pack" hunt? Like a wolf pack? Please just watch that video ONCE. Then compare it to how DS2's "pack" attacks. A wolf pack is sentient, communicate with each other via barks, and the way they attack the huge bison is effective; they round it off from the herd as a straggler, and they take turns at attacking it with weak bites and then backing off, thus they slowly take the bison down without any of the pack taking injury. The pack from DS2 are a joke compared to a wolf pack. The Necro pack have zero co-ordination, no plan, and no communication. They are a horde.

P.S Please, for your own sake, stop trying to convince me that I haven't played the games; is it not just slightly dumb that you're trying to tell me I haven't played the games, whilst I'm sitting here looking at Dead Space 1 and 2 on my shelf thinking, "what the hell?".

P.P.S If you really want, I'll ask about this on a Dead Space forum or something because the wiki is SO UNTRUSTABLE!!1!one! What with all those people who mischeivously edit the Dead Space wiki 24/7.

4. I never, at any point, said that fear was an actual way to determine which was the better parasite. I pointed out that people may just instantly vote "Necros" because they ARE a scarier parasite, due to Dead Space being a survival horror game where you are an engineer.

  • 10.29.2011 5:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: HaI0Fighter92
Flood

Necromorphs can only harness use out of dead tissue, Flood, it can be both.
ever played dead space 2? once a necromorph evolves enough you cant kill it. like the one after you put a needle in isaac's eye. i remember wasting all my ammo on that thing before i realized they dont like to die.

  • 10.29.2011 3:24 PM PDT

I spoke to God today. He said trust in Him. All others pay cash

Flood for sheer numbers and coordination of the gravemind

  • 10.29.2011 4:27 PM PDT


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He would know.

  • 10.29.2011 6:13 PM PDT

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