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Subject: I'd actually like to see more Religioin / Political threads

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

I think there should be slightly more leniency on political threads, but I still say religious threads should be locked immediately.

  • 10.23.2011 8:40 AM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Eh, I really don't see harm in political threads, but religious discussion should just be right out. You can never have a reasonable discussion when a religious party is involved and so I understand why it's not allowed.

  • 10.24.2011 4:56 AM PDT
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Religious threads are basically a bomb waiting to explode.

  • 10.24.2011 6:10 AM PDT
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I don't enjoy religious or political Threads, I'd rather see more fanboy Threads. That kind of discussion is actually interesting.

/opinion

  • 10.24.2011 6:56 AM PDT

ooga booga boooh

I can see people not wanting religious threads. I saw one that went well over the weekend, and that was it. Just one. Political threads, however, have gone exceeding well. Nearly 5000 posts, and I have yet to see any flaming or anything go wrong.

  • 10.24.2011 8:21 AM PDT
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‘The conscious is cancerous if allowed to linger’

"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there."

Religion is always a definitive no; politics is something worth discussing.

I'm probably crazy, but The Flood does seem to have improved a little of late. In the very least it has proven what many of us have been saying for a while now: that it has the ability to discuss borderline topics in a mature manner (even if it requires a bit of pruning along the way).

In the case of topics like "The wealthy are taxed enough" discussion was more theoretical and economic, than overtly political. The distinction is that theoretical discussion is far less likely to offend and much more likely to encourage people to apply logic (even if it is seldom more than a strawman). I do not yet think The Flood can be trusted to have reasoned discussion surrounding specific parties or political personalities. This is because people are often [illogically] bound to one point of view, feel threatened by the conflicting views of others and meet that by [aggressively] perpetuating their misconceptions and spouting propaganda.

What I hope can be deduced from this is that there is some flexibility and room for interpretation within the rules. A discussion that might lend itself to politics but operates on other levels (and is directed accordingly) may be permitted. Whether this is the case can depend on many factors; sometimes it might even boil down to whether the current moderator online feels inclined to focus their energy on maintaining the peace and/or their blood coffee level.

Those who create threads that step within the area of interpretation do so at their own risk, which is why offsites and private groups are recommended. That said I think, speaking both as a member and a moderator, that the moderation of this website has improved significantly since the new rules were adopted. Otherwise decent and mature contributors are far less likely to meet the hammer than they were before. Things are by no means perfect, but the general ethos is much improved and moderation is more lenient as a result.

  • 10.24.2011 8:43 AM PDT

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As long as the conversation stays civil and productive, the moderators tend to let things go.

You know as well as I do that rarely (if ever) happens.

  • 10.24.2011 8:45 AM PDT

"That's about all that can be said for plots, which anyway are just one thing after another, a what and a what and a what.

Now try how and why."

Generally, the posts related to politics that are tolerated are current events threads. The reason is that since the information is new, there is actually something to figure out. Contrast this with abstract issues. Everyone has heard the arguments and the counter arguments. Therefore, everyone is pretty much set in what they believe. The only thing that can really happen is for people to get frustrated when people don't instantly accept every argument put forward and resort to name calling.

  • 10.24.2011 8:46 AM PDT
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Posted by: jacob crawford
I can see people not wanting religious threads. I saw one that went well over the weekend, and that was it. Just one. Political threads, however, have gone exceeding well. Nearly 5000 posts, and I have yet to see any flaming or anything go wrong.
This is a poor example. This thread had far more to do with current events than politics. Even the limited number of posts on U.S. foreign policy tended to be observational rather than opinionated. Furthermore, there is flaming in the very first post on the most recent page of this thread, thus directly contradicting the entire reason you used this thread as an example.

Regardless, I personally think that pointing out examples of political discussion with little or no flaming is pointless. I realize that Achronos has strongly hinted previously that flaming is one of the reasons that religious/political discussion is prohibited on the public forums here (example), but I suspect that this is only one of multiple reasons. He has also noted that the highly emotional/personal nature of this kind of discussion, which has no right or wrong answers, also just makes it "inappropriate" for discussion here (example).

While flaming in these threads seems to definitely be one reason they are prohibited, I don't think it's the only one, or even the primary/main one. Personally, I think it's about the fact that this is the kind of discussion that is inappropriate for a website that is primarily for and about video games and this video gaming community -- a notably lighter topic of discussion. There are tons of other places -- even right here on this website -- where you can discuss religion and politics. There is no need to bring it into the public forums, and the fact is that the guys in charge don't want it here.

I don't think this is a matter of "convincing" them. I think it's about people needing to accept that this is not a "free speech" or "talk about anything and everything" forum. It is a video game developer's website, and its public forums have ALWAYS reflected that nature. We have 13 public forums here and only ONE in which video games are not directly or indirectly the only allowable topic for discussion. There is no reason -- either in the history of this website or using common sense -- to think that the Flood Forum should be a place with no boundaries and where highly personal, emotional, and/or controversial topics can or should be discussed.

You can't change the nature of this website; it's time to accept it and discuss your religion and politics in private groups or elsewhere on the internet.

[Edited on 10.24.2011 9:03 AM PDT]

  • 10.24.2011 8:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: antony X1000
I'd say political threads should be allowed to a certain extent, but religious threads seem like there would be more flaming/trolling than actual discussion.


This^^^. Political and Religious issues can get very heated. The only concern is that there may be some extreme reactions and rage marathons.

  • 10.24.2011 9:05 AM PDT

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"So much of what we do is ephemeral and quickly forgotten, even by ourselves, so it's gratifying to have something you have done linger in people's memories." John Williams

I disagree. It's too offensive and it really has no place on a gaming website. If people really want to discuss politics that much on Bungie.net, make a chapter/private group and discuss it there.

Or join another website that specializes in talking about politics and religion.

  • 10.24.2011 9:51 AM PDT

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Religion threads are only bad news on the internet. Although political threads aren't quite as bad unless the thread starts talking directly about the political parties instead of the issues and solutions.

They're just so closely related that a thread can go from legitimate talk about the issues and their solutions to political party rhetoric and flaming in like 3 posts. I kinda like how the mods let them slide for now until it gets to that point. I'll take a few political flame wars if people can get to actually talk about the issues from time to time.

  • 10.24.2011 9:51 AM PDT

Yes, however they should be monitored and if they get out of control they should be locked. Politics is okay, but religion always gets out of control.

[Edited on 10.24.2011 9:55 AM PDT]

  • 10.24.2011 9:54 AM PDT


Posted by: x Foman123 x
While flaming in these threads seems to definitely be one reason they are prohibited, I don't think it's the only one, or even the primary/main one. Personally, I think it's about the fact that this is the kind of discussion that is inappropriate for a website that is primarily for and about video games and this video gaming community -- a notably lighter topic of discussion. There are tons of other places -- even right here on this website -- where you can discuss religion and politics.



Wait... what?

I see just as much flaming about video games as I do about politics.

That being said, I do agree that private groups are better for discussing religion and politics.

  • 10.24.2011 11:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
While flaming in these threads seems to definitely be one reason they are prohibited, I don't think it's the only one, or even the primary/main one. Personally, I think it's about the fact that this is the kind of discussion that is inappropriate for a website that is primarily for and about video games and this video gaming community -- a notably lighter topic of discussion. There are tons of other places -- even right here on this website -- where you can discuss religion and politics.



Wait... what?

I see just as much flaming about video games as I do about politics.

That being said, I do agree that private groups are better for discussing religion and politics.
That's a fault of the people flaming, not of the topic.

  • 10.24.2011 1:25 PM PDT

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judging by how fast Achronos warned me for 1 religion related comment I doubt this will ever change...

  • 10.24.2011 1:26 PM PDT


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Posted by: coolmike699

Posted by: x Foman123 x
While flaming in these threads seems to definitely be one reason they are prohibited, I don't think it's the only one, or even the primary/main one. Personally, I think it's about the fact that this is the kind of discussion that is inappropriate for a website that is primarily for and about video games and this video gaming community -- a notably lighter topic of discussion. There are tons of other places -- even right here on this website -- where you can discuss religion and politics.



Wait... what?

I see just as much flaming about video games as I do about politics.

That being said, I do agree that private groups are better for discussing religion and politics.
That's a fault of the people flaming, not of the topic.


The same can be said for flaming in general.

  • 10.24.2011 2:25 PM PDT
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off-topic forum should be exactly that.....of topic. last time i checked religion and politics fall under off topic, but i get why they are banned. perhaps make a new forum strictly for those purposes. never liked the whole private group idea.

  • 10.24.2011 3:20 PM PDT
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i have alot of views that i like to express but im limited in what i can say

yorkie

  • 10.24.2011 4:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
You can't change the nature of this website; it's time to accept it and discuss your religion and politics in private groups or elsewhere on the internet.


what about economics? is discussing that allowed? cause i am studying that right now.

yorkie

[Edited on 10.24.2011 4:47 PM PDT]

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