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Thats like saying copying a movie then putting it up for free on the web and its legit.

  • 04.25.2006 8:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: MC Enders
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ya ummm unless u hav permission from bungie i wouldnt do it and it would take tremendous space on a computer to house a full game inside of another game. another point is well Y just buy urself a flippin XBOX or 360 and buy Halo 2 which would cost much less than what they would fine u 4 or go 2 jail


They won't fine, much less jail, him just for making halo 2 all over again on the Halo CE engine, he would have to make it available for download with a pricetag (in otherwords using the halo 2 name and selling the game) in order to do that. what he's doing now is perfectly legit


Have you ever heard the word "Wrong" before?


It's not legitamate if it in any way whatsoever infringes on a copyright, or an intellectual property (Of which it does both) or causes a loss or potential loss of profit (again, of which it does both) Don't give out legal advice, or you're gonna feel REAL bad when the Legal department at Microsoft grabs him.

  • 04.25.2006 8:55 AM PDT

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you need air dude.............

what i don't understand is. why don't you export over to Valve's source engine which is more powerful than the halo ce engine. it gives better graphics and better phyics. etc etc.

  • 04.25.2006 2:28 PM PDT
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Because Source is nasty to mod for if you haven't done anything with it before. Halo CE has a much better way to mod than source.

  • 04.25.2006 2:51 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

There is no way M$ or Bungie could sue for lost profit. They would be two different games altogether and there is no way to prove that giving away game X takes profits from game Y.

ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY DON"T RUN ON THE SAME OS

The whole idea put forth by the mod is laughable.

Furthermore, Microsoft would be suing Halo CE modders making H2 maps if they were genuinely concerned about "lost profit."

Will M$ try to sue you? Yes, they sue everyone, but I wouldn't let these scare tactics fly if I were you.

Bottom line, contact a lawyer before you start.

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There is no way M$ or Bungie could sue for lost profit. They would be two different games altogether and there is no way to prove that giving away game X takes profits from game Y.

ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY DON"T RUN ON THE SAME OS

The whole idea put forth by the mod is laughable.

Furthermore, Microsoft would be suing Halo CE modders making H2 maps if they were genuinely concerned about "lost profit."

Will M$ try to sue you? Yes, they sue everyone, but I wouldn't let these scare tactics fly if I were you.

Bottom line, contact a lawyer before you start.


ok, now think about this. someone goes out there, buys a copy of a movie, then writes down all the lines, and recreates the movie and then releases it for free.

it can quite obviously be proven, if there is a loss of profit, where it came from. and it is copyright violation to recreate exactly a movie. they would have to rewrite the script in order to remake the movie.

the bottom line is that even if you don't rip ANY DATA from the disk, you still are stealing concepts, storyline, and script from bungie.

if you actually go through with this, which i discourage very much, MAKE SURE you contact bungie, microsoft, and a lawyer and MAKE SURE microsoft and bungie give you permission to do this.

as for the multiplayer maps, i ask you, what profit are they losing?

let me remind you that the purpose of this halo 2 mod is to provide an alternative to halo 2 for windows vista. right in the purpose of the mod is the loss of profit. THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO MAKE LESS PEOPLE BUY HALO 2. how is that not loss of profit?

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Wow, this thread has gotten 82 posts becasue of arguements of MS profits and possibilities of it working, and legal copyrights.

Almost every post is off topic, kinda weird huh.

Actually, it's been entirely ON-topic. This is what's called, the debate and advice section of the thread. Thanks for playing though, we have some lovely parting gifts.

[Edited on 4/25/2006 by GameJunkieJim]

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Posted by: Frnksnbns
There is no way M$ or Bungie could sue for lost profit. They would be two different games altogether and there is no way to prove that giving away game X takes profits from game Y.

ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY DON"T RUN ON THE SAME OS

The whole idea put forth by the mod is laughable.

Furthermore, Microsoft would be suing Halo CE modders making H2 maps if they were genuinely concerned about "lost profit."

Will M$ try to sue you? Yes, they sue everyone, but I wouldn't let these scare tactics fly if I were you.

Bottom line, contact a lawyer before you start.


The last line is the only thing you said that was halfway smart.

All they need to prove is that it's a copy or imitation thereof of iMicrosoft's intellectual property. That's already been done. Again, a map is different than building an entire copy of a game. The OS is irrelevant. If anything it gives them more of a reason to sue for lost revenue.

Again, don't pretend to be a lawyer. They expect and encourage new content. They do not expect a copy of a commercially viable product.

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Hi again:

Yes I understand where you guys are going. I douby Microsoft will lose any revenue because by the time my first level is finished, Microsoft would have it's coffers full from Vista and H2 already, so I douby they should worry much on a fan-made halo 2 modification of Halo CE. Look, all I want is for XP users to have a taste of singleplayer action. Nothing more.

  • 04.25.2006 6:01 PM PDT
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Yes, I am a hypocrite, and I'm sorry. I really do mean well, but I'm not running on all cylinders.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

I say do it. I'm sure Microsoft and friends will give fair warning if they feel you're infringing. What's the point in sueing a single gamer?

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Because Source is nasty to mod for if you haven't done anything with it before. Halo CE has a much better way to mod than source.


if you export and convert Halo to Source format, then you can play it in the source engine, it looks pretty as hell to.


Thats not how it works. You can't convert bsps into source format. They HAVE to be made in hammer, which is a joke compared to 3dsmax. Believe me, I tried to do that already.

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Node's back in an unbanned account...

And as for that project, by all means, do so. But try to, say, tweak the story a little? Or maybe the maps? Or make it YOUR interpretation of what should happen next in H2?

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but that will be sort of wierd, tweaking the storylines and all...

  • 04.25.2006 7:02 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

Posted by: GameJunkieJim
Posted by: Frnksnbns
There is no way M$ or Bungie could sue for lost profit. They would be two different games altogether and there is no way to prove that giving away game X takes profits from game Y.

ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY DON"T RUN ON THE SAME OS

The whole idea put forth by the mod is laughable.

Furthermore, Microsoft would be suing Halo CE modders making H2 maps if they were genuinely concerned about "lost profit."

Will M$ try to sue you? Yes, they sue everyone, but I wouldn't let these scare tactics fly if I were you.

Bottom line, contact a lawyer before you start.


The last line is the only thing you said that was halfway smart.

All they need to prove is that it's a copy or imitation thereof of iMicrosoft's intellectual property. That's already been done. Again, a map is different than building an entire copy of a game. The OS is irrelevant. If anything it gives them more of a reason to sue for lost revenue.

Again, don't pretend to be a lawyer. They expect and encourage new content. They do not expect a copy of a commercially viable product.



I do not pretend to be a lawyer, and a mod on a forum probably shouldn't either.

Despite what you may think, people sued by M$ actually have won a few times...

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but that will be sort of wierd, tweaking the storylines and all...


...as opposed to being sued?

  • 04.25.2006 7:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Frnksnbns
I do not pretend to be a lawyer, and a mod on a forum probably shouldn't either.
The difference being that I am telling him the safe alternative, and you're encouraging him to do something that is manifestly illegal. Tell you what, I estimate I've got probably about 10 years in age and about 20 years of gaming knowledge on you, from the 10NES/Rabbit lawsuit (NoA vs. Atari) to the Sega Accolade suits, to even a few concerning individual programmers like our friend Widowmaker here. Try doing a little research, then come back and tell me what you think.

Despite what you may think, people sued by M$ actually have won a few times...Sure, if they didn't break any laws. Copyright Infringement is breaking a law however. It'll be a hell of a lot cheaper to upgrade your OS and buy the game than to pay fines. And if you're one of those that are against upgrading, then I suppose you wont be gaming for long, since Vista will be the standard for a few years. XP is mighty long in the tooth already.

I could make a suggestion, one that may be quite a bit more legal, apply this energy to helping code software like Cedega, and then you'll be able to legally purchase the game and play in it's own emulation. You'll have to run Linux, but that's free, and that's all you're griping about is the cost of the OS right?

That solution of course won't work for everyone. But it's a lot better than listening to some people that want something for nothing, or that don't (for some odd reason) want to update their 5 year old OS.

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Yeah i agree about asking if mircosoft/bungie will let you do this. I'm surprised how little people have offered to help (just me and someone else for voice) and you lot have changed this forum into an arguement!!! calm down, stop biting each other's necks.

By the way i looked at the website that sells 3ds max, does it really cost over $1000?!

and if it does how the hell are you able to buy it?!

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  • 04.26.2006 1:35 PM PDT
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Get a year liscense for $300 or less.

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If K98 is seriously still intending to go through with making H2 Single playeron CE, I would like to point out that at the time the H2 maps on CE were created THERE WERE NO PLANS ON H2 FOR PC. M$ could have sued the people doing the H2 multiplayer maps, but since there was no immediate plans for H2, there was no potential loss and it helped the fanbase. Now, however, it is more likely that this mod will be stamped down on, hard, because of the immediate profit thing, no matter how short sighted.

I will also point out, though, precedent.

Marathon: Resurrection is a total conversion of Bungie's old game Marathon 2. It is being made by fans for the Unreal Tournament engine, has been going on for over 5 years now, and has not been stopped by Bungie etc, (and they do know about it, hell, the website is part of the bungie site!). However, Marathon 2 was for the Mac, and was very old anyway.

EDIT: Also, ImSpartacus, your post has actually hurt my brain. You are mutilating the English language. With a dull, rusty knife.

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I will also point out, though, precedent.

Marathon: Resurrection is a total conversion of Bungie's old game Marathon 2. It has been going on for over 5 years now, and has not been stopped by Bungie etc, (and they do know about it, hell, the website is part of the bungie site!). However, Marathon 2 was for the Mac, and was very old anyway.

sorry if i sound stupid, but what's that got to do with it?

  • 04.26.2006 3:30 PM PDT
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Marathon 2 was made by Bungie.

A bunch of fans made a copy of it for Unreal tournament (well, they're still making it).

They have not been sued by Bungie.

Halo 2 was made by Bungie.

K98 intends to make a total conversion for Halo CE.

People are advising him not to do it, because he'll get sued.

Spot the similarities?

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hey, it just shows that bungie supports some remakes and supports the fan base, however only in certain situations such as the game remake.

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  • 04.26.2006 3:50 PM PDT