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Subject: A discussion on our moderators and their consistency.
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Posted by: Jujubes
Things that shouldn't be locked, or are borderline in a good way get locked all the time. :| Kill-joys.


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  • 10.24.2011 9:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: Old Papa Rich

As for topics about sex, I'd say that any of them are toeing the line. There is likely to be a moderator that may feel that it is inappropriate for this site. That doesn't mean that every one of them will be shut down. As for your example, I see a difference between your thread and Recon's. There's some gray area maybe, but there is a difference.


It's like Old Papa Rich said, the moderators knows exactly the boundaries between breaking the rules and following them, they know how to move with them, but if you play too close to break one (you have not a high comprehension of the rules) you might end up breaking them. The mods do this stuff because they know how far they can go with in a reasonable ground, on the other side, you, who aren't well acknowledge of the rules could end up breaking them, so they give you the warning to let you know you're stepping on a mine field and you could hurt yourself.


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  • 10.24.2011 9:40 PM PDT
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We all have different approaches and have different perspectives about topics. Like Foman, I too would have issued a warning for an inappropriate topic. We all have tolerate things differently and handle things differently. Recon obviously has a different opinion as to what he considers appropriate.

  • 10.24.2011 9:42 PM PDT


Posted by: MasterSin

Posted by: Old Papa Rich

As for topics about sex, I'd say that any of them are toeing the line. There is likely to be a moderator that may feel that it is inappropriate for this site. That doesn't mean that every one of them will be shut down. As for your example, I see a difference between your thread and Recon's. There's some gray area maybe, but there is a difference.


It's like Old Papa Rich said, the moderators knows exactly the boundaries between breaking the rules and following them, they know how to move with them, but if you play too close to break one (you have not a high comprehension of the rules) you might end up breaking them. the mods do this stuff because they know how far they can go with in a reasonable ground, on the other side, you, who aren't well acknowledge of the rules could end up breaking them, so they give you the warning to let you know you're stepping on a mine field and you could hurt yourself.


To use your analogy, we need to put up some signs for this minefield.

  • 10.24.2011 9:43 PM PDT


Posted by: Duardo
We all have different approaches and have different perspectives about topics. Like Foman, I too would have issued a warning for an inappropriate topic. We all have tolerate things differently and handle things differently. Recon obviously has a different opinion as to what he considers appropriate.


Like I said in my OP, if one cop tells me I can go into an area and then another one arrests me for trespassing, I get off because I was acting in good faith.

I get that you all have differing opinions. I'm not asking you to agree on every little thing. But if one mod warns people for something another mod has no problem doing, then it isn't clear to us what we can do.

  • 10.24.2011 9:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Duardo
We all have different approaches and have different perspectives about topics. Like Foman, I too would have issued a warning for an inappropriate topic. We all have tolerate things differently and handle things differently. Recon obviously has a different opinion as to what he considers appropriate.


Couldn't say it better. Every person will be different as to what their standards are. Best rule of thumb for everyone on here is if it's questionable, you're better off not posting the topic.

Posted by: coolmike699
To use your analogy, we need to put up some signs for this minefield.


As far as this goes, I believe giving a warning is a pretty clear sign that you're treading that fine line...

  • 10.24.2011 9:52 PM PDT

Posted by: jbueno52
Posted by: Duardo
We all have different approaches and have different perspectives about topics. Like Foman, I too would have issued a warning for an inappropriate topic. We all have tolerate things differently and handle things differently. Recon obviously has a different opinion as to what he considers appropriate.


Couldn't say it better. Every person will be different as to what their standards are. Best rule of thumb for everyone on here is if it's questionable, you're better off not posting the topic.
Except that is the entire point, what is questionable can often be as clear as mud.

  • 10.24.2011 11:01 PM PDT
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  • 10.24.2011 11:10 PM PDT


Posted by: bobcast
Where are the copies of your PMs?


What copies?

  • 10.24.2011 11:14 PM PDT

Mods gonna moderate.

  • 10.24.2011 11:14 PM PDT
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We should fire every moderator but one.

Assuming that that moderator can stay internally consistent, we will have absolute consistency.

I nominate Sir Fragula. If we are to have one Master Mod, it has to be someone with a knighthood.

  • 10.24.2011 11:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Moderators are like Supreme Court Justices.


One of the things about the justice system is how they use "precedence" as a deciding factor in a ton of things. That means that prior decisions by courts are considered to be correct in most all situations (unless it has been overturned on appeal).

This also makes it damn near impossible to correct previous mistakes, which is a big downfall of the system. That same point can be made about moderators. They are required to make decisions, and those decisions set a precedent, which is hard to discard at a later date.

Eh, not really.

What you are trying to describe is Stare Decisis.

Stare Decisis does make sure that the courts are fair by doing what you said, using past rulings and precedents to insure that cases involving similar facts are ruled with close to the same outcome.

However, Stare Decisis is also flexible since precedents can be overturned in the courts if the ruling is no longer valid with changing social conditions or if legislation is passed that requires it to change.

The courts have one major advantage over the moderators here. Cases are recorded so that they can be used in the future. Bans are only recorded on the individual and no where else, and it would be inconvenient for the mods after every banning to write down the circumstances and reasoning for the ban. Let alone ineffective to have them look for something similar every time they had to ban something (yes, I realize this is me describing it to the extreme).

As it has been said in this thread, the moderators are told to be consistant with themselves. At this point, it just would not be practical for them to try to be consistant with each other.

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  • 10.24.2011 11:38 PM PDT

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It's like a gigantic snowball, rolling down a mountain, eating kids on the way.

Until all the moderators are replaced with robots, (hopefully robots with flame paintworks), then you are going to get some level of inconsistency.

  • 10.25.2011 12:23 AM PDT
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  • 10.25.2011 12:38 AM PDT

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The Bungie employees feel that the Mods have been here long enough and are wise enough to know the rules about how this site should operate, and they Trust them to make these types of decisions. While the mods my rule differently on subjects does not mean they are that inconsistent. The point is that Bungie trust them and every Mod here does a tough job and devotes their free time to keep our community from turning into a degenerate cesspool. If one mod does not like a topic and locks it while another Mod does not that's fine with me.

  • 10.25.2011 1:27 AM PDT


Posted by: coolmike699

Posted by: drummer0702
Oh, it's this time of the month, huh?

Honestly, I think the two of those are a little different since one is talking about people actually doing it vs. what actually is being discussed in Recon's thread. However, I'll say there is obviously more leniency given to moderators in terms of the threads they make. No one is going to be stupid enough to try and derail that thread into something more inappropriate and the OP isn't going to go anywhere terrible with it either.


In my county a few years ago, some police officers got caught speeding by speed cameras. Some of those officers were going to emergencies, but a lot of them weren't.

The cops didn't get out of their tickets just because they're cops. They had to pay just like everyone else. Why shouldn't the mods have to follow the rules they enforce just like we do?

I agree with that. It does slightly annoy me when they derail threads and then it gets locked and stuff like that. I know they are just having a bit of fun but sometimes I think they should think before they post too you know?

  • 10.25.2011 2:35 AM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: Ada Astra
Moderators make decisions. They will have sex with your g/f and also steal your dog...

Man did I misread that!

*shakes fist at speedreading-dyslexia*

Oh wait, I should probably say something on topic.


Let's see...... I'm sorry? No, that seems to be mocking, and I do empathize.

The problem is that no moderator can (or will) attempt to give amnesty and/or sanction (either explicitly by statement or implicitly by example) to any member. It would cause more problems than it would solve.

I can tell you that we frequently do "self checks" between ourselves to see if there is disagreement, consensus or difference in how we are seeing something, interpreting it, or acting/not acting on it. For example, I did have a conversation with Foman regarding my interpretation of the "rich are taxed enough" thread as well as my participation in it.

We know that we can't and don't agree with each other 100%, we know that we can't march in lockstep. I try to think of us as an example of what our membership can be. Different people that while we don't share each others views, we accept, tolerate and respect each other.

I would not want ANY ninja to feel that their hands were tied because of my posting in or creating a particular topic. I certainly wouldn't want my ability to post (as a member) to be seen as a "hands off" stamp for any of my colleagues who decide that a post or the thread is "past the line". I've locked topics that were created or replied to by employees, moderators, and members. I've banned/warned employees, moderators and members. It's what I promised to do when I was offered the position. I would expect that every one of my colleagues made a similar promise and are doing their best whenever they act.

So, to use the comparison in the OP, I would expect and welcome a warning or counseling from any ninja who considers my topic to be on the wrong side of their personal line. I don't want, don't need, and don't ask for any extra consideration or privilege. I do reserve the right to keep those warnings and/or counseling session private (or limited to HFCS).

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We need more of this.

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  • 10.25.2011 6:50 AM PDT

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  • 10.25.2011 6:58 AM PDT

They're all loose cannons in my book.

  • 10.25.2011 7:35 AM PDT
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Why are you reading my signature? Who actually opens these things and reads them!

And as always, SEND ME A PM. Please. Or really bad things will happen to you.

If you wouldn't want your 12 year old daughter to read it then don't post it!

  • 10.25.2011 7:37 AM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: Cranium Crater
If you wouldn't want your 12 year old daughter to read it then don't post it!

Which is why I tend to use the term "snugglebunnies" as frequently as I do.

  • 10.25.2011 7:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: Cranium Crater
If you wouldn't want your 12 year old daughter to read it then don't post it!

Which is why I tend to use the term "snugglebunnies" as frequently as I do.


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  • 10.25.2011 7:42 AM PDT


Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: Cranium Crater
If you wouldn't want your 12 year old daughter to read it then don't post it!

Which is why I tend to use the term "snugglebunnies" as frequently as I do.


I wouldn't really have a problem with my 12 year old daughter reading a story about skydivers having sex in midair. You've been through sex ed by the time you're 12, and I, like you, Recon, don't think a news story in all that innapprppriate.

But that's besides the point. What you are saying is that if I had worded my subject differently, I might not have been warned?

Because I've made many threads about news stories involving sex. I usually don't put the word sex in the title, and I've never been warned before for it.

  • 10.25.2011 8:05 AM PDT

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