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Subject: Was The Halo series A great story of Heroism

Poll: Was The Halo series A great story of Heroism  [closed]
Yes :  88%
(42 Votes)
No:  12%
(6 Votes)
Total Votes: 48

I had the thought of replaying the halo series from start to Finnish all over again so I spent one week of my own time got some snacks and some soda put the controller in my hand and begun the Epic Story of Halo all over again. The story of Halo has so much Depth the colors The Vibrant atmosphere's and the relationship between John and cortana, are just a very small part. It was all coming back to me now The beach on Silent Cartogerpher, The library where guilty Spark did absolutely nothing to help me while flood was raging after me. And my personal favorite moment on truth and reconciliation when you make your way up to the covenant ship. -Halo 1 complete- I moved onto Halo 2 although confusing at first it all sunk in, most of Halo 2 focused on the Arbiter it was pretty good Story wise something's I've yet to comprehend but I'm getting closer to understanding them. All together it was a great game and still is. And then Came HALO 3 the game that left me waiting at walmart for 5 1/2 hours long, As soon as my hands touched my copy of Halo 3 it was like Nothing else in the world mattered except for this game. played the campaign start to Finnish in around 6 hours of course being it was in legendary, my all time favorite level -The Covenant I cannot contiplate how much I abosolutely love this level. Played the rest of the campaign and got to the Level Halo being on the warthog with the play space your playing on is continually falling and exploding was amazing!! When I finally made the Jump I felt like I just saved the world it was a great experience now and then when I finnaly finnished i shouted in my home this Game is the best!! When all was said and done and i was watching the memorial cut scene I cried an held my Creme soda close to me. "I will never Forget" the Epic story of heroism and struggles. thank you Bungie thank you 343 industries thank you Jason Jones and Alex Seropian for the story of a life time. Sincerely The Spartan Proj

  • 10.25.2011 9:58 PM PDT

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Yes. Its one of the broadest and interesting stories of gaming. Until Reach.

  • 10.25.2011 10:33 PM PDT

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The halo series is also a series of guilt, sacrifice, lies, betrayls, etc.

  • 10.25.2011 11:21 PM PDT

Nothing really heroic about slaughtering countless numbers of vastly martially inferior foes as an nigh-unstoppable killing machine encased in 7 feet and 1,000 plus pounds of armor, never losing, never knowing real struggle.

A real story of heroism is a story where the Hero faces foes whom have never known defeat, that push the Hero to his limits, and beyond, that test his very physical capability as well as the limits of his mental stability. Because Master Chief is so conditioned he cannot broaden his horizons, develop, and grow as a character, the Halo series is ultimately doomed to stagnation.

Once again, bring it on everyone, its me versus the entire forum...again.

  • 10.26.2011 8:28 PM PDT

Why are you here?

Nothing really heroic about slaughtering countless numbers of vastly martially inferior foes as an nigh-unstoppable killing machine encased in 7 feet and 1,000 plus pounds of armor, never losing, never knowing real struggle.

A real story of heroism is a story where the Hero faces foes whom have never known defeat, that push the Hero to his limits, and beyond, that test his very physical capability as well as the limits of his mental stability. Because Master Chief is so conditioned he cannot broaden his horizons, develop, and grow as a character, the Halo series is ultimately doomed to stagnation.

Once again, bring it on everyone, its me versus the entire forum...again.


If you've read the books, you would have a different opinion than this.

  • 10.26.2011 8:49 PM PDT
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Great story mate !
"The chief never face's struggle" haha original.
Lol so your saying facing a huge super huge building filled with infection that never loses is easy (library)

  • 10.27.2011 10:35 AM PDT

Well.. i have been playing Halo every sense the day it came out. And i am a very skilled halo Player. I am 24 and happily married with one child named Amore. that is all.. I'll see you StarSide.


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Nothing really heroic about slaughtering countless numbers of vastly martially inferior foes as an nigh-unstoppable killing machine encased in 7 feet and 1,000 plus pounds of armor, never losing, never knowing real struggle.

A real story of heroism is a story where the Hero faces foes whom have never known defeat, that push the Hero to his limits, and beyond, that test his very physical capability as well as the limits of his mental stability. Because Master Chief is so conditioned he cannot broaden his horizons, develop, and grow as a character, the Halo series is ultimately doomed to stagnation.

Once again, bring it on everyone, its me versus the entire forum...again.
Looks like your playing halo on easy.

  • 10.27.2011 2:14 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Nothing really heroic about slaughtering countless numbers of vastly martially inferior foes as an nigh-unstoppable killing machine encased in 7 feet and 1,000 plus pounds of armor, never losing, never knowing real struggle.

A real story of heroism is a story where the Hero faces foes whom have never known defeat, that push the Hero to his limits, and beyond, that test his very physical capability as well as the limits of his mental stability. Because Master Chief is so conditioned he cannot broaden his horizons, develop, and grow as a character, the Halo series is ultimately doomed to stagnation.

Once again, bring it on everyone, its me versus the entire forum...again.


What defines a hero are his goals, not how difficult his enemies are to defeat >_> Hell, a truly evil character could face all that you described above, and by what seems to be your definition that villain would be a hero! This honestly makes me think you don't really know what a hero is :/

Master Chief is a truly heroic character, I don't get how you can't see or acknowledge that! A hero doesn't care about himself in comparison to others, he strives for goals far larger than himself (saving the universe, saving his race, saving his planet, protecting his leader, protecting innocents around him), and is willing to give it all to achieve those goals, even if it means he has to die in the process. All of those very clearly describe Chief. What you described may be part of what a hero has to overcome and what makes someone heroic, but that alone does not make a man a hero. Master Chief is right up there with the likes of King Arthur, Batman, Spider-Man, Aragorn, Gandalf, Luke Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Harry Potter, and any other fictional hero you can think of!

  • 10.27.2011 2:36 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
Nothing really heroic about slaughtering countless numbers of vastly martially inferior foes as an nigh-unstoppable killing machine encased in 7 feet and 1,000 plus pounds of armor, never losing, never knowing real struggle.

A real story of heroism is a story where the Hero faces foes whom have never known defeat, that push the Hero to his limits, and beyond, that test his very physical capability as well as the limits of his mental stability. Because Master Chief is so conditioned he cannot broaden his horizons, develop, and grow as a character, the Halo series is ultimately doomed to stagnation.

Once again, bring it on everyone, its me versus the entire forum...again.


Okay, you can leave now.

  • 10.27.2011 3:23 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
Okay, you can leave now.

His ego will not fit through the door.

  • 10.27.2011 3:34 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

What defines a hero are his goals, not how difficult his enemies are to defeat >_>


No, being heroic is standing up in the face of impossible odds and having the courage to face him, Master Chief has never really been challenged by anything, thus he is not a real hero, and it makes for better story-telling.

Posted by: OrderedComa

Hell, a truly evil character could face all that you described above, and by what seems to be your definition that villain would be a hero!


I don't care what you think, or how you twist my words, just keep on, it really doesn't phase me.

Posted by: OrderedComa
This honestly makes me think you don't really know what a hero is :/


This honestly makes me think you think I actually care what you think, and that you don't really know what good storytelling is.

Posted by: OrderedComa
Master Chief is a truly heroic character, I don't get how you can't see or acknowledge that!


Quit trying to pass off your opinion as fact, that is your biggest problem, you think the universe revolves around you and your views, news flash; not everybody holds the same beliefs as you.

Posted by: OrderedComa
A hero doesn't care about himself in comparison to others, he strives for goals far larger than himself (saving the universe, saving his race, saving his planet, protecting his leader, protecting innocents around him), and is willing to give it all to achieve those goals, even if it means he has to die in the process.


And now you shift tracks and decide to agree with me all of a sudden? What are you on?

Posted by: OrderedComa
What you described may be part of what a hero has to overcome and what makes someone heroic, but that alone does not make a man a hero.


her·o·ism [her-oh-iz-uhm] noun ~ the qualities or attributes of a hero or heroine: He showed great heroism in battle.

Posted by: OrderedComaMaster Chief is right up there with the likes of King Arthur, Batman, Spider-Man, Aragorn, Gandalf, Luke Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Harry Potter, and any other fictional hero you can think of!

How about, no.

  • 10.30.2011 1:35 PM PDT

They come now... and they take us... the tide rises.

Mai visto così tanti eroi cadere in un sol colpo.
Ehm... sorry, i never view so many heroes fall in a single war.
The history of Halo is full of heroes and legendary characters much appreciated for values like honor, responsabilities and actions in critical moments.

[Edited on 10.30.2011 1:45 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2011 1:45 PM PDT

They come now... and they take us... the tide rises.

And a value fundamental for all: Unity and Equity

  • 10.30.2011 1:46 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

I can see what Pred is saying. In the games, I wouldn't consider Chief to be heroic, he's practically an invincible killing machine. In the books he has limits, but those don't transfer into the games.

Honestly, I would say the standard Marines and such are braver.

  • 10.30.2011 1:55 PM PDT

Ever story forged by bungie and their succesor 343 is and will be a good one...

  • 10.30.2011 3:08 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

That's fanboy bias, try not to get enveloped by it.

  • 10.30.2011 3:10 PM PDT


Posted by: the spartan proj
I had the thought of replaying the halo series from start to Finnish all over again so I spent one week of my own time got some snacks and some soda put the controller in my hand and begun the Epic Story of Halo all over again. The story of Halo has so much Depth the colors The Vibrant atmosphere's and the relationship between John and cortana, are just a very small part. It was all coming back to me now The beach on Silent Cartogerpher, The library where guilty Spark did absolutely nothing to help me while flood was raging after me. And my personal favorite moment on truth and reconciliation when you make your way up to the covenant ship. -Halo 1 complete- I moved onto Halo 2 although confusing at first it all sunk in, most of Halo 2 focused on the Arbiter it was pretty good Story wise something's I've yet to comprehend but I'm getting closer to understanding them. All together it was a great game and still is. And then Came HALO 3 the game that left me waiting at walmart for 5 1/2 hours long, As soon as my hands touched my copy of Halo 3 it was like Nothing else in the world mattered except for this game. played the campaign start to Finnish in around 6 hours of course being it was in legendary, my all time favorite level -The Covenant I cannot contiplate how much I abosolutely love this level. Played the rest of the campaign and got to the Level Halo being on the warthog with the play space your playing on is continually falling and exploding was amazing!! When I finally made the Jump I felt like I just saved the world it was a great experience now and then when I finnaly finnished i shouted in my home this Game is the best!! When all was said and done and i was watching the memorial cut scene I cried an held my Creme soda close to me. "I will never Forget" the Epic story of heroism and struggles. thank you Bungie thank you 343 industries thank you Jason Jones and Alex Seropian for the story of a life time. Sincerely The Spartan Proj


True heroism is navigating through that wall of text; I'm afraid I'll have to abdicate my title.

  • 10.30.2011 3:21 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I can see what Pred is saying. In the games, I wouldn't consider Chief to be heroic, he's practically an invincible killing machine. In the books he has limits, but those don't transfer into the games.

Honestly, I would say the standard Marines and such are braver.


What makes a hero is not how much he struggled to get to his goal. That makes no sense.
Using that logic, a terrorist who worked extensively on a bomb to blow an orphanage up would also be considered a hero.

What makes a hero is the goal he has actually reached. The struggle to it is completely irrelevant.

Say someone just became a scientist, and just happened to find a cure for cancer ALL BY HIMSELF.
So he ends up saving a bunch of people from the disease; saving them from certain death.
But since it only took him half an hour to find the cure, apparently he's not a hero. That makes sense.

[Edited on 10.30.2011 3:36 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2011 3:32 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I can see what Pred is saying. In the games, I wouldn't consider Chief to be heroic, he's practically an invincible killing machine. In the books he has limits, but those don't transfer into the games.

Honestly, I would say the standard Marines and such are braver.


What makes a hero is not how much he struggled to get to his goal. That makes no sense.
Using that logic, a terrorist who worked extensively on a bomb to blow an orphanage up would also be considered a hero.

What makes a hero is the goal he has actually reached. The struggle to it is completely irrelevant.

Say someone just became a scientist, and just happened to find a cure for cancer ALL BY HIMSELF.
So he ends up saving a bunch of people from the disease; saving them from certain death.
But since it only took him half an hour to find the cure, apparently he's not a hero. That makes sense.


I'm looking at this though the eyes of an appreciator of Greek myth. If a god went on a journey and reached his goal, it doesn't make them heroic. They're immortal, nothing poses a threat to them. That is essentially the game Master Chief.

The book Master Chief is different. he has limits and fears and such and yet he still completes his journey. However, with two Chiefs and yet the god-like one apparently wins out, I can't see him as heroic.

You're comparison with the doctor and cancer sucks by the way. Try again.

[Edited on 10.30.2011 3:43 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2011 3:42 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I can see what Pred is saying. In the games, I wouldn't consider Chief to be heroic, he's practically an invincible killing machine. In the books he has limits, but those don't transfer into the games.

Honestly, I would say the standard Marines and such are braver.


What makes a hero is not how much he struggled to get to his goal. That makes no sense.
Using that logic, a terrorist who worked extensively on a bomb to blow an orphanage up would also be considered a hero.

What makes a hero is the goal he has actually reached. The struggle to it is completely irrelevant.

Say someone just became a scientist, and just happened to find a cure for cancer ALL BY HIMSELF.
So he ends up saving a bunch of people from the disease; saving them from certain death.
But since it only took him half an hour to find the cure, apparently he's not a hero. That makes sense.


I'm looking at this though the eyes of an appreciator of Greek myth. If a god went on a journey and reached his goal, it doesn't make them heroic. They're immortal, nothing poses a threat to them. That is essentially the game Master Chief.

The book Master Chief is different. he has limits and fears and such and yet he still completes his journey. However, with two Chiefs and yet the god-like one apparently wins out, I can't see him as heroic.


Answer me this RIGHT NOW: Why does a potentially heroic figure ABSOLUTELY NEED to struggle? Master Chief is heroic because he achieves his goals for the greater good.

You're comparison with the doctor and cancer sucks by the way. Try again.

"You are comparison with..."
Nice.

You know, when you say that, it might give you some credibility if you actually explain WHY rather than just making statements with no validity to anyone.

Let me give you another analogy then:
Say a soldier can take two paths to rescue a starving middle-eastern family.
The first path is of a canyon filled with tight defenses, complete with multiple soldiers, big guns, etc.
The second path is an underground route that none of them know about that leads to the family.

The soldier takes the second, underground path. He finds the family, and gets them out of there.
BUT NO. He's not a hero, no, no, no-hahaHAHAHAHAAHAH.
No, he's just a lazy mothertrucker because he was able to get through it all with virtually no trouble! Certainly not a hero! PPPPPPBBBBBBbbbbbbb!

Or in an alternate scenario, and a little bit more relevant to Chief, the soldier can choose to either equip himself with a handgun, or a gatling gun. He chooses the gatling gun, takes the first path, and destroys everything in his path in which he finds the family and pulls them out.
But don't worry. COMMON SENSE dictates that he is NOT a hero.

:D

[Edited on 10.30.2011 4:03 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2011 4:01 PM PDT

­

Heroic - having or displaying the character or attributes of a hero; extraordinarily bold, altruistic, determined, etc.
Hero - a man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deeds and noble qualities.
2. a person who, in the opinion of others, has heroic qualities or has performed a heroic act and is regarded as a model or ideal: He was a local hero when he saved the drowning child.
3. the principal male character in a story, play, film, etc.
4. Classical Mythology.
a. a being of godlike prowess and beneficence who often came to be honored as a divinity.
b. (in the Homeric period) a warrior-chieftain of special strength, courage, or ability.
c. (in later antiquity) an immortal being; demigod

  • 10.30.2011 4:21 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
Answer me this RIGHT NOW: Why does a potentially heroic figure ABSOLUTELY NEED to struggle? Master Chief is heroic because he achieves his goals for the greater good.


Because in nearly every hero story, the struggle is a key part of the hero's journey. Nearly every Greek hero struggled during their journey. The struggle is pretty important. Otherwise if we have a super tough guy who nobody can beat and he can kick ass and chew gum all day long, what's so heroic about him?


Let me give you another analogy then:
Say a soldier can take two paths to rescue a starving middle-eastern family.
The first path is of a canyon filled with tight defenses, complete with multiple soldiers, big guns, etc.
The second path is an underground route that none of them know about that leads to the family.


One path is practically suicide. The other is safer. This isn't an issue of heroism, but of tactical advantage. I mean, what right minded solider would think it would be smart to go into such a deathtrap as the canyon?

The soldier takes the second, underground path. He finds the family, and gets them out of there.
BUT NO. He's not a hero, no, no, no-hahaHAHAHAHAAHAH.
No, he's just a lazy mothertrucker because he was able to get through it all with virtually no trouble! Certainly not a hero! PPPPPPBBBBBBbbbbbbb!


Um, I see what you're doing, but you have the wrong idea. He's still a hero regardless.

Or in an alternate scenario, and a little bit more relevant to Chief, the soldier can choose to either equip himself with a handgun, or a gatling gun. He chooses the gatling gun, takes the first path, and destroys everything in his path in which he finds the family and pulls them out.
But don't worry. COMMON SENSE dictates that he is NOT a hero.


This isn't a video game Ruby, no solider would get a Gatling gun and go guns blazing into an obvious trap. Both would be heroes, but the guy going into the canyon would not realistically survive, so he's more suicidal.

The main reason I view the average Marine as more heroic than Chief is because they are just as brave as Chief despite not having nearly as better gear. Chief is still a hero, but I don't think Chief really fits the hero concept.

So try again.

  • 10.30.2011 4:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: OrderedComa

What defines a hero are his goals, not how difficult his enemies are to defeat >_>


No, being heroic is standing up in the face of impossible odds and having the courage to face him, Master Chief has never really been challenged by anything, thus he is not a real hero, and it makes for better story-telling.

Posted by: OrderedComa

Hell, a truly evil character could face all that you described above, and by what seems to be your definition that villain would be a hero!


I don't care what you think, or how you twist my words, just keep on, it really doesn't phase me.

Posted by: OrderedComa
This honestly makes me think you don't really know what a hero is :/


This honestly makes me think you think I actually care what you think, and that you don't really know what good storytelling is.

Posted by: OrderedComa
Master Chief is a truly heroic character, I don't get how you can't see or acknowledge that!


Quit trying to pass off your opinion as fact, that is your biggest problem, you think the universe revolves around you and your views, news flash; not everybody holds the same beliefs as you.

Posted by: OrderedComa
A hero doesn't care about himself in comparison to others, he strives for goals far larger than himself (saving the universe, saving his race, saving his planet, protecting his leader, protecting innocents around him), and is willing to give it all to achieve those goals, even if it means he has to die in the process.


And now you shift tracks and decide to agree with me all of a sudden? What are you on?

Posted by: OrderedComa
What you described may be part of what a hero has to overcome and what makes someone heroic, but that alone does not make a man a hero.


her·o·ism [her-oh-iz-uhm] noun ~ the qualities or attributes of a hero or heroine: He showed great heroism in battle.

Posted by: OrderedComaMaster Chief is right up there with the likes of King Arthur, Batman, Spider-Man, Aragorn, Gandalf, Luke Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Harry Potter, and any other fictional hero you can think of!

How about, no.


1. Being a hero does NOT involve impossible odds; it involves courageous actions. Impossible odds make for better storytelling, but that is not what constitutes "heroism".

2. He's not twisting your words, it's merely a matter of perspective. Seeing as though you didn't specify who you were talking about, they are in the right context.

3. Good storytelling and heroism are two different things. Please refer to Point 1.

4. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and what they stated was their opinion. What you are failing to acknowledge is the difference between good storytelling and actual heroism, which is what your whole argument is based on in the first place.

5. The poster is agreeing with you because that is the general preconception of heroes.

6. Great, you can use Google to find a definition and one context in which it may be used. Care to find more?

  • 10.30.2011 4:52 PM PDT

Bacon

Alright. I can see what this predkiller guy is saying, master chief is kind of a walking killing machine. But he would also sacrifice himself for anyone and everyone else at the same time. He would have blown himself up with the Halos if needed to save humanity, he is a hero.

  • 10.30.2011 5:14 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
The main reason I view the average Marine as more heroic than Chief is because they are just as brave as Chief despite not having nearly as better gear. Chief is still a hero, but I don't think Chief really fits the hero concept.


I see what you're saying.

But the problem is, you consider who is and isn't a hero by the process they worked through to reach their goal, which is superficial and petty since all that actively affects anything is the goal achieved. Struggle or no.

A hero in real life is often regarded and referred to by his or her goal which they have accomplished.

It's clear to me now that you and I both have different ideas as to what a hero is.

So try again.

Watch you say this in your next reply. You'll make yourself look like an ass. Not that you already aren't.

[Edited on 10.30.2011 6:01 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2011 5:59 PM PDT

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