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Subject: Was The Halo series A great story of Heroism

THERE IS OVER 9000 HALO RINGS!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is another point. In the mission Two Betrayals in Halo: CE, Cortana tells you to walk right through a highly dangerous generator to shut down Halo. After the first one, wiping down my shields and with the Flood loose, Cortana points out that there are two more. The first line that popped into my head was, "Cortana, are you nuts, are you trying to get me killed?!" If I was in the Chief's situation, I would reluctantly be forced to follow the orders, knowing that everyone will die if I don't. If the lives weren't at stake, I would be like, "Um, yeah. Screw this, I am going to do something else. Good luck Cortana."

  • 10.30.2011 6:54 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

*Looks at Master Chief*

Yep. Not only is the Master Chief a hero in the Halo Universe, he's a hero to his fans...Which is something special.

  • 10.30.2011 7:54 PM PDT

i c4n h4z R3c0n? Wait, I already have it...

I'd consider Master Chief a hero by his actions, what he did to save humanity. By default, that makes every Marine a hero as well. And to try and quell this debate about Master Chief being invincible... He's actually not. The games do a poor job at showing this (Although Halo Reach's legendary is a -blam!-) As the books state, all the Spartans had limits, and could only do so much, they just happened to be able to do a lot more than the Marines. Either way, they saved humanity. They are, in my book, hero's, whether they struggled or not, and, boy, did the UNSC struggle. Again, book cannon, I love it :)

  • 10.31.2011 1:17 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
Okay, you can leave now.

His ego will not fit through the door.
haha yes!

  • 10.31.2011 3:39 PM PDT
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"Don't make me pull down my pants!"- Srg. Johnson

lol

  • 10.31.2011 9:35 PM PDT

~~~Dont care what nobody gotta say Elite's and Jackal's are the most badass aliens ever~~~

Do not simply look at the story from Masterchiefs point of view and play look at all the aspects odst's reach halo wars the books their are some losses and some wins. And think about this evrybody expects some underdog evrybody looks down on to rie to the top and beat his opponents but no bungie made a hero right from the start so yes the story was great and somewhat original.

  • 11.01.2011 7:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
Answer me this RIGHT NOW: Why does a potentially heroic figure ABSOLUTELY NEED to struggle? Master Chief is heroic because he achieves his goals for the greater good.


Because in nearly every hero story, the struggle is a key part of the hero's journey. Nearly every Greek hero struggled during their journey. The struggle is pretty important. Otherwise if we have a super tough guy who nobody can beat and he can kick ass and chew gum all day long, what's so heroic about him?


Let me give you another analogy then:
Say a soldier can take two paths to rescue a starving middle-eastern family.
The first path is of a canyon filled with tight defenses, complete with multiple soldiers, big guns, etc.
The second path is an underground route that none of them know about that leads to the family.


One path is practically suicide. The other is safer. This isn't an issue of heroism, but of tactical advantage. I mean, what right minded solider would think it would be smart to go into such a deathtrap as the canyon?

The soldier takes the second, underground path. He finds the family, and gets them out of there.
BUT NO. He's not a hero, no, no, no-hahaHAHAHAHAAHAH.
No, he's just a lazy mothertrucker because he was able to get through it all with virtually no trouble! Certainly not a hero! PPPPPPBBBBBBbbbbbbb!


Um, I see what you're doing, but you have the wrong idea. He's still a hero regardless.

Or in an alternate scenario, and a little bit more relevant to Chief, the soldier can choose to either equip himself with a handgun, or a gatling gun. He chooses the gatling gun, takes the first path, and destroys everything in his path in which he finds the family and pulls them out.
But don't worry. COMMON SENSE dictates that he is NOT a hero.


This isn't a video game Ruby, no solider would get a Gatling gun and go guns blazing into an obvious trap. Both would be heroes, but the guy going into the canyon would not realistically survive, so he's more suicidal.

The main reason I view the average Marine as more heroic than Chief is because they are just as brave as Chief despite not having nearly as better gear. Chief is still a hero, but I don't think Chief really fits the hero concept.

So try again.


Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I can see what Pred is saying. In the games, I wouldn't consider Chief to be heroic, he's practically an invincible killing machine. In the books he has limits, but those don't transfer into the games.

Honestly, I would say the standard Marines and such are braver.


What makes a hero is not how much he struggled to get to his goal. That makes no sense.
Using that logic, a terrorist who worked extensively on a bomb to blow an orphanage up would also be considered a hero.

What makes a hero is the goal he has actually reached. The struggle to it is completely irrelevant.

Say someone just became a scientist, and just happened to find a cure for cancer ALL BY HIMSELF.
So he ends up saving a bunch of people from the disease; saving them from certain death.
But since it only took him half an hour to find the cure, apparently he's not a hero. That makes sense.

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Posted by: OrderedComa

What defines a hero are his goals, not how difficult his enemies are to defeat >_>


No, being heroic is standing up in the face of impossible odds and having the courage to face him, Master Chief has never really been challenged by anything, thus he is not a real hero, and it makes for better story-telling.

Posted by: OrderedComa

Hell, a truly evil character could face all that you described above, and by what seems to be your definition that villain would be a hero!


I don't care what you think, or how you twist my words, just keep on, it really doesn't phase me.

Posted by: OrderedComa
This honestly makes me think you don't really know what a hero is :/


This honestly makes me think you think I actually care what you think, and that you don't really know what good storytelling is.

Posted by: OrderedComa
Master Chief is a truly heroic character, I don't get how you can't see or acknowledge that!


Quit trying to pass off your opinion as fact, that is your biggest problem, you think the universe revolves around you and your views, news flash; not everybody holds the same beliefs as you.

Posted by: OrderedComa
A hero doesn't care about himself in comparison to others, he strives for goals far larger than himself (saving the universe, saving his race, saving his planet, protecting his leader, protecting innocents around him), and is willing to give it all to achieve those goals, even if it means he has to die in the process.


And now you shift tracks and decide to agree with me all of a sudden? What are you on?

Posted by: OrderedComa
What you described may be part of what a hero has to overcome and what makes someone heroic, but that alone does not make a man a hero.


her·o·ism [her-oh-iz-uhm] noun ~ the qualities or attributes of a hero or heroine: He showed great heroism in battle.

Posted by: OrderedComaMaster Chief is right up there with the likes of King Arthur, Batman, Spider-Man, Aragorn, Gandalf, Luke Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Harry Potter, and any other fictional hero you can think of!

How about, no.

Pred your annoying....nobody cares on what you think he was expressing his oppenions not fight you...Go vanish.
Wow in what freaking way is cheif not a hero ?
He destroyed a whole freaking infection that destroyes species almost alone !He defeated a whole alliance of species...He had actually faced IMPOSSIBLE ODDS and done the impossible and saved at least 200 mill humans thats the remains of humanity.

[Edited on 11.01.2011 8:03 AM PDT]

  • 11.01.2011 8:02 AM PDT

Sacrifice for the greater good.

  • 11.01.2011 8:28 AM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.

i think it was more of a survival story

  • 11.01.2011 8:41 AM PDT

It shows a story of heroism and strength. How a weak hero known as humanity versus a great enemy known as the Covenant and how humanity won. This truly shows heroism against a great enemy.

  • 11.01.2011 5:39 PM PDT

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
Answer me this RIGHT NOW: Why does a potentially heroic figure ABSOLUTELY NEED to struggle? Master Chief is heroic because he achieves his goals for the greater good.


Wrong. Struggle and character development is a key point in story-telling and has been since ancient times. Nowhere at any point whatsoever, anywhere in the original trilogy, can I recall a time Master Chief was on the floor, bleeding, questioning his humanity, questioning the UEG for their crimes against humanity, questioning Halsey, for her kidnapping of and indoctrination of young children at a young age, and not once taking Keyes' words into consideration, "Didn't Halsey ever teach you kids that winning isn't everything?" Never once did I see a moment that could truly connect me to this character, not once.


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  • 11.01.2011 5:40 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: FTW 1997
saved at least 200 mill humans thats the remains of humanity.


Nope, there are more than that.

  • 11.01.2011 5:44 PM PDT


Posted by: cameo_cream
Yes. Its one of the broadest and interesting stories of gaming. Until Reach.


cant say reach is bad when theres nothing u say that is bad

  • 11.01.2011 6:11 PM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2
No, being heroic is standing up in the face of impossible odds and having the courage to face him, Master Chief has never really been challenged by anything, thus he is not a real hero, and it makes for better story-telling.


I'm not disputing whether that makes someone heroic or not, all I'm saying is that alone does not make someone a hero as someone who is truly evil can do the same thing, yet that doesn't make them a hero. The amount of struggle a person goes through does not determine whether someone is worthy of being called a hero or not. If struggle and challenge are your only standards for being regarded as a hero you must have a very short list.

Not disputing whether or not it makes for better story-telling either. Story-telling however has nothing to do with whether someone is a hero or not.

Quit trying to pass off your opinion as fact, that is your biggest problem, you think the universe revolves around you and your views, news flash; not everybody holds the same beliefs as you.

Oh good God. *sigh* I don't expect everyone to hold the exact same views as me, nor do I want that to. That would lead to a very dull and boring existence. There's no need to attack me, I haven't attack you in any way.

And now you shift tracks and decide to agree with me all of a sudden? What are you on?

Um, what? How am I suddenly agreeing with you here? What you've been saying is that struggle against a far superior enemy is the sole defining characteristic of a hero, and I'm stating what actually makes someone heroic. As I've said several times before, struggle alone isn't enough. Our positions are not the same, so how can I be agreeing with you?

her·o·ism [her-oh-iz-uhm] noun ~ the qualities or attributes of a hero or heroine: He showed great heroism in battle.

I know what heroism means, I'm not a simpleton, but what does the definition you posted have to do with what we are discussing? I am failing to see the relevance you are attaching to this definition.

How about, no.

*shrug* Whatever, it's your opinion, and wrong, but whatever. How much of a hero you regard Chief as is relative and completely your opinion (no right or wrong on this aspect of the issue), but there is no denying that Chief is a hero, acting like he's not as vehemently as you are is only going to make you look ridiculous.

  • 11.02.2011 12:54 PM PDT

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