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Subject: Camera Footage in Cutscenes

1) Note that most of the cutscenes in ODST were from the Superintendent's cameras. Obviously its showing its observation of the squad. Interestingly, after the Supintendent's shutdown moving cameras seem to be implemented.

2) A lot of the cutscenes of Reach were footage and images. This fed the theory that Reach is a UNSC reconstruction of the battle pieced together from evidence.

  • 10.26.2011 7:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Normally you want to bring up some questions along with statements that atleast imply what should be talked about.

  • 10.26.2011 7:03 AM PDT

It's true.
Altough I'm not sure where you're going with this, like Grey also says...

Ah Reach being a reconstruction is no theory ;) It's stated that is in fact a reconstruction in the files that come with Halsey's Journal.

  • 10.26.2011 7:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

I had a feeling it was something like that back when I first got Reach.

Most cutscenes are seen through cameras, and there are whole days between some missions. It's obviously an ONI reconstruction.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: HipiO7
I had a feeling it was something like that back when I first got Reach.

Most cutscenes are seen through cameras, and there are whole days between some missions. It's obviously an ONI reconstruction.


In which we shouldn't take that as the actual event then correct? if it is just propaganda?

  • 10.26.2011 7:57 AM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: grey101
Posted by: HipiO7
I had a feeling it was something like that back when I first got Reach.

Most cutscenes are seen through cameras, and there are whole days between some missions. It's obviously an ONI reconstruction.


In which we shouldn't take that as the actual event then correct? if it is just propaganda?


I'm sure ONI recovered more footage than what is shown in Reach. Thing is, they only showed what would go for their interests. I dont see how it's possible, that between Sword Base and Nightfall, there are various days of difference.

Something happened there and ONI dosent want us to know what it was. So yes, it's pretty much a reconstruction-propaganda of how Reach fell.

  • 10.26.2011 8:24 AM PDT


Posted by: HipiO7
I had a feeling it was something like that back when I first got Reach.

Most cutscenes are seen through cameras, and there are whole days between some missions. It's obviously an ONI reconstruction.


right, cause a camera man just happened to find six walking toward New Alexandria. lol. It's a cool theory, but I think it's just the shooting style they went with. Like war journalism.

  • 10.26.2011 8:55 AM PDT


Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe

Posted by: HipiO7
I had a feeling it was something like that back when I first got Reach.

Most cutscenes are seen through cameras, and there are whole days between some missions. It's obviously an ONI reconstruction.


right, cause a camera man just happened to find six walking toward New Alexandria. lol. It's a cool theory, but I think it's just the shooting style they went with. Like war journalism.


Or a Cameraman followed Six and Jun down that cliff ledge :P.

  • 10.26.2011 9:03 AM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe
Posted by: HipiO7
I had a feeling it was something like that back when I first got Reach.

Most cutscenes are seen through cameras, and there are whole days between some missions. It's obviously an ONI reconstruction.


right, cause a camera man just happened to find six walking toward New Alexandria. lol. It's a cool theory, but I think it's just the shooting style they went with. Like war journalism.


Yes, and the camera man stood there and watched Noble Six get killed in Lone Wolf, without any personal danger to himself.

Please think. Those cutscenes are not what we are talking about, I'm talking about the ones that have the whole Noble Team emblem on them, and that are obviously shown from a cameras point of view.

  • 10.26.2011 9:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe
Posted by: HipiO7
I had a feeling it was something like that back when I first got Reach.

Most cutscenes are seen through cameras, and there are whole days between some missions. It's obviously an ONI reconstruction.


right, cause a camera man just happened to find six walking toward New Alexandria. lol. It's a cool theory, but I think it's just the shooting style they went with. Like war journalism.


Yes, and the camera man stood there and watched Noble Six get killed in Lone Wolf, without any personal danger to himself.

Please think. Those cutscenes are not what we are talking about, I'm talking about the ones that have the whole Noble Team emblem on them, and that are obviously shown from a cameras point of view.

Not that I'm promoting one theory over another, because there are as you pointed out, other scenes that are clearly not security cam footage, but wasn't the Lone Wolf footage at the end from 6's helmet cam when his helmet got knocked off?

  • 10.26.2011 9:37 AM PDT

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

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Posted by: HipiO7
Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe
Posted by: HipiO7
I had a feeling it was something like that back when I first got Reach.

Most cutscenes are seen through cameras, and there are whole days between some missions. It's obviously an ONI reconstruction.


right, cause a camera man just happened to find six walking toward New Alexandria. lol. It's a cool theory, but I think it's just the shooting style they went with. Like war journalism.


Yes, and the camera man stood there and watched Noble Six get killed in Lone Wolf, without any personal danger to himself.

Please think. Those cutscenes are not what we are talking about, I'm talking about the ones that have the whole Noble Team emblem on them, and that are obviously shown from a cameras point of view.

Not that I'm promoting one theory over another, because there are as you pointed out, other scenes that are clearly not security cam footage, but wasn't the Lone Wolf footage at the end from 6's helmet cam when his helmet got knocked off?


That is true.

Fine, I change what I say and change it to the cameraman standing in the middle of the Covenant looking at Six's helmet as the planet gets glassed around him.

  • 10.26.2011 10:15 AM PDT

Here to end the borrowed time you've all been living on.

Posted by: DonVinzone1
It's true.
Altough I'm not sure where you're going with this, like Grey also says...

Ah Reach being a reconstruction is no theory ;) It's stated that is in fact a reconstruction in the files that come with Halsey's Journal.

  • 10.26.2011 11:08 AM PDT

What the hell everyone going about that Reach was made by ONI?

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Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
What the hell everyone going about that Reach was made by ONI?


The idea is that the game is not a 100% accurate depiction of what happened, but an ONI reconstruction based on what evidence could be recovered.(and perhaps edited)

Basically the literary agent hypothesis

I believe there some evidence to support this view, but I can't remember it.

  • 10.26.2011 6:12 PM PDT

Remember those times when we all had something better to be doing, but didn't do it? Those were good times. Gooood times

I kind of like the idea of reach being a recreation of the actual events. It could mean that theres something hidden that the players don't know about (example, when the helmet in the end is taken off, the footage may end because the helmet shuts down, ending its recording abilities. If 343 wanted, they could pull something like this, and have SIX still alive, taken prisoner by the covenant and used for experiments. Technically, we never do see six die, after all) I wish that bungie used this too, and made something that SIX discovered and kept secret, and later you return to reach after the simulation playing an ONI worker, pulling up some forerunner artifact that would connect halo reach to halo 4. I think that it would be an interesting twist.

  • 10.26.2011 8:06 PM PDT

We were somewhere around Barstow...

Mind = Blown.

The entire Reach scenario was a reconstruction? I just can't fathom that at all, yet I'm still intrigued.

  • 10.26.2011 8:58 PM PDT

Cave Johnson here, we're done!

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Posted by: DonVinzone1
It's true.
Altough I'm not sure where you're going with this, like Grey also says...

Ah Reach being a reconstruction is no theory ;) It's stated that is in fact a reconstruction in the files that come with Halsey's Journal.


Being a full reconstruction, fully being propaganda? No, it's not.

The matter of fact is that the Legendary edition of reach is an ONI parcel being sent from one ONI agent to another. The recipient being a person who was involved with operation White Glove. White Glove being baisically a demolition group involved with destroying vital data alongside forerunner artifacts.

So we take the role of the ONI agent receiving the package, who was at the very least involved in the destruction of the sword base artifact. Whether it be actually helping with the armament, or being aware of what is going to happen to it.

Even more I think that ONI itself wouldn't falsify it's own data to other ONI operatives, unless of course they were low ranking agents.


Overall I view the hole "Reach as propaganda" as completely off base. That anything being presented wouldn't be a valid show of true heroism.

Nor would it be a good piece of propaganda. Any non ONI agent who got their hands on it would see that the invulnerable spartans die, that a military planet such as reach would fall so easily to the covenant, and the horrors that come with watching new alexandria being glassed. It would shatter all the propaganda that ONI may have already spread throughout the populous. It would make everyone on earth panic with fear, and chaos would ensue.

Reach is not propaganda. As for being falsified and presenting false data, that's up to debate. But to me the data is probably as accurate as ONI could make it. The fact being that the person receiving it is an ONI agent, and not just an ONI agent, but potentially an ONI agent that had their hands in the destruction of Reach artifacts, possibly even the Sword Base artifact.

  • 10.26.2011 9:27 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: HipiO7
I had a feeling it was something like that back when I first got Reach.

Most cutscenes are seen through cameras, and there are whole days between some missions. It's obviously an ONI reconstruction.


In which we shouldn't take that as the actual event then correct? if it is just propaganda?


Propaganda wouldn't show humanity losing. Section II's agenda was to make sure the people back home thought everything would be fine after the brief storm had passed.

It's just a cinematic technique, one used commonly across many different types of media. To say it's a UNSC/ONI reconstruction is to read into it too deeply.

  • 10.27.2011 2:15 AM PDT


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Posted by: DonVinzone1
It's true.
Altough I'm not sure where you're going with this, like Grey also says...

Ah Reach being a reconstruction is no theory ;) It's stated that is in fact a reconstruction in the files that come with Halsey's Journal.


Being a full reconstruction, fully being propaganda? No, it's not.

The matter of fact is that the Legendary edition of reach is an ONI parcel being sent from one ONI agent to another. The recipient being a person who was involved with operation White Glove. White Glove being baisically a demolition group involved with destroying vital data alongside forerunner artifacts.

So we take the role of the ONI agent receiving the package, who was at the very least involved in the destruction of the sword base artifact. Whether it be actually helping with the armament, or being aware of what is going to happen to it.

Even more I think that ONI itself wouldn't falsify it's own data to other ONI operatives, unless of course they were low ranking agents.


Overall I view the hole "Reach as propaganda" as completely off base. That anything being presented wouldn't be a valid show of true heroism.

Nor would it be a good piece of propaganda. Any non ONI agent who got their hands on it would see that the invulnerable spartans die, that a military planet such as reach would fall so easily to the covenant, and the horrors that come with watching new alexandria being glassed. It would shatter all the propaganda that ONI may have already spread throughout the populous. It would make everyone on earth panic with fear, and chaos would ensue.

Reach is not propaganda. As for being falsified and presenting false data, that's up to debate. But to me the data is probably as accurate as ONI could make it. The fact being that the person receiving it is an ONI agent, and not just an ONI agent, but potentially an ONI agent that had their hands in the destruction of Reach artifacts, possibly even the Sword Base artifact.


Ehm...did those 2 lines of me say anything about propaganda?

No.

Reach is just a reconstruction made by ONI, internally!. Maybe it was made with propaganda usage in the future in mind. Maybe it was just made to find out what happened to a team of highly valuable Spartans that acted against the Covenant without knowing of Operation RED FLAG.
The latter seems most logical to me.

Apart from that: could it work as propaganda? Not in this way, because people wouldn't see the tragic-yet-heroic implications of Reach (the game). But there are a few elements in there which are well suited for propaganda.
Yes, Spartans were brutally kidnapped and trained....but look: they sacrificed themselves for the greater good and saved many lives!
Yes, Reach fell. But Six did manage to deliver Cortana and set off the chain reaction of events that made us win the war.
We have the most powerful AI ever, Cortana, as we managed to build her partly from Forerunner technology.
We were able to hold off the Covenant for 3 weeks, where other colonies fell in hours, days maybe.

Plenty of stuff that ONI could turn into propaganda if taken out of the complete picture.
But as it stands, all we know for sure is that the game is just the most complete reconstruction (interpretation!) of the events that happened surrounding Noble Team on Reach.

All I'm saying is: being a reconstruction made from damaged footage from security cameras and helmets, filled in with plausible interpretations by ONI is why Reach conflicts with Fall of Reach on so many occasions. Even with RED FLAG being explained by 343i.


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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: HipiO7
I had a feeling it was something like that back when I first got Reach.

Most cutscenes are seen through cameras, and there are whole days between some missions. It's obviously an ONI reconstruction.


In which we shouldn't take that as the actual event then correct? if it is just propaganda?


Propaganda wouldn't show humanity losing. Section II's agenda was to make sure the people back home thought everything would be fine after the brief storm had passed.

It's just a cinematic technique, one used commonly across many different types of media. To say it's a UNSC/ONI reconstruction is to read into it too deeply.


Let me make this clear.
Reach is a reconstruction.

Thats not speculation.
Thats not reading too deeply into it.
Thats not a theory.

Thats a fact, stated in the letters that came with Halsey's Journal and which are considered canon (brought into reality, but still canon).

[Edited on 10.27.2011 5:14 AM PDT]

  • 10.27.2011 5:09 AM PDT

These conspiracies are extremely retarded.

FIRST OF ALL, 343 has already mopped almost all canon fallacies between FoR and Reach up, so this entire discussion is pointless.

SECOND OF ALL, even WITHOUT 343's intervention, it's quite obvious (given Bungie's despicable laid-back attitude), they did not care at all for the novel, and wanted to write their own story.

AND THIRD, to say that this game is a pure ONI account of evidence gathered is WAAAAY too far-fetched to be considered a canonical fact. I KNOW for a FACT that Bungie did not write the story of Reach, without hinting at all in the game that it was a loose recollection. The security-camera type angles' only purpose was to give the player the feeling that they were being watched.

  • 10.27.2011 1:18 PM PDT

This is the first time I've heard mention of this theory. Interesting....

So if it was a reconstruction, what does the community feel was being hidden, or why would a reconstruction be necessary?

Or why dont i just look it up myself and shutup...

  • 10.27.2011 5:52 PM PDT