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Subject: 343 HAS GONE FULL RETARD:HALO GLASSLANDS SPOILERS.

Not a blind Bungie fanboy. I was livid over Reach's story and made several threads complaining about it. I've even said that Halo 3's campaign was criminally short, especially on the Ark and Bungie should have tried to tie expanded canon more into the games other than using easter eggs to do it. I have tried giving 343 a chance, but so far in my personal opinion their version of Halo fails to live up to what Bungie created with the original trilogy and novels under their tenure. So far a lot of what 343 has released form a story telling perspective comes off like really bad fan fiction.

[Edited on 10.26.2011 1:31 PM PDT]

  • 10.26.2011 1:24 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
I'm not trying deliberately to be harsh, but I was legitimately annoyed from having heard the exact same bs over and over again.


If you keep hearing the same BS over and over again, there may actually be a problem.


The same can be said for the dozens others who are in agreement with me. The amount of people who agree with someone doesn't mean anything. I just wish people would stop complaining, overreacting and just enjoy the damn book. It is a work of fiction after all, written by several authors with their own interpretations of a vast universe.

To get raged over some of the most minor "mischaracterization" (and in this case, character devolopment) when you have a situation as said above is hilariously foolish. You guys can't honestly tell me with a straight face you didn't think there'd be problems. And the problems I've seen are borderline nonexistent.

  • 10.26.2011 1:26 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Old Salty27
Not a blind Bungie fanboy. I was livid over Reach's story and made several threads complaining about it. I've even said that Halo 3's campaign was criminally short, especially on the Ark and Bungie should have tried to tie expanded canon more into the games other than using easter eggs to do it. I have tried giving 343 a chance, but so far in my personal opinion there version of Halo fails to live up to what Bungie created with the original trilogy and novels under their tenure.


Blasphemy!

No, I understand exactly what you're talking about. This accusation of not being able to accept change is as bad as the "adapt" deal I saw in the Reach Forum.

  • 10.26.2011 1:26 PM PDT

To each his own. Just wanted to voice my opinion.

  • 10.26.2011 1:28 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
A mix of every opinion, reaally. Some like Thel want to join us, some fear our retaliation and want to kick us while we're down, some seem to form ties with humans but still want other human supporters dead, and every facet imaginable in between. Some Elites, for example, have revoked Forerunner religion and even destroyed Forerunner relics in anger, while still others will see those who defiled Forerunner relics burned at the stake (two Elites were, for example, disemboweled and strung up for display by Telcam's group for blasphemy).

It really is chaos in Elite culture right now.

But the biggest majority are the ones who want Humanity to die, right?

Who accepted the Brutes? Do these same Elites who accept Brutes accept Humans, or not?

  • 10.26.2011 1:31 PM PDT


Posted by: Old Salty27
Not a blind Bungie fanboy. I was livid over Reach's story and made several threads complaining about it. I've even said that Halo 3's campaign was criminally short, especially on the Ark and Bungie should have tried to tie expanded canon more into the games other than using easter eggs to do it. I have tried giving 343 a chance, but so far in my personal opinion there version of Halo fails to live up to what Bungie created with the original trilogy and novels under their tenure. So far a lot of what 343 has released form a story telling perspective comes off like really bad fan fiction.


See there you go exagerating again, which had lead me to believe your being a fanboy. This is some of the best damn fan-fiction I've ever read if it were.

You're also assuming Bungie had anything to do with the books. They didn't. The same guy(s) who authorized the creation of the Fall of Reach under the pen of Eric Nylund is(are) the same guy(s) who authorized the creation of Glasslands under the pen of Karen Traviss.

Ergo: Microsoft's gaming studios and publishing. Now a branch of which more commonly called, 343i.

The amount of anything that Bungie had to do with ANY of the books was the references to Fall of Reach in Halo 3. Other then that, the books never existed as far as they were concerned practically. You should be happy that now we have a combo publisher and devoloper doing Halo, since now we'll have a perfectly consistent (or as perfect as possible) story arc, which has already been written down and finished. We just have to wait.

  • 10.26.2011 1:32 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

I like how Roberto continues to call the OP a fanboy even though he said he didn't like what happened with Reach and Halo 3. Just keep hitting him on the books Rob ignore everything else.

  • 10.26.2011 1:36 PM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
The amount of anything that Bungie had to do with ANY of the books was the references to Fall of Reach in Halo 3. Other then that, the books never existed as far as they were concerned practically. You should be happy that now we have a combo publisher and devoloper doing Halo, since now we'll have a perfectly consistent (or as perfect as possible) story arc, which has already been written down and finished. We just have to wait.
Joseph Staten wrote Contact Harvest...

  • 10.26.2011 1:37 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Fun fact: Bungie gave 343i the story that was to be told by way of the Story Bible. This was going to happen even if Bungie was still in control.

The Halo Story Bible did not exist before 343 Industries. When the transition happened they got a bunch of disparate notes, and then interviewed the writers at Bungie to get their views as best they could on the fiction, and then put all this together into one big ringbinder. And they create the stories first, then update the story bible with new materials. Not the other way around. Materials from ODST and Reach have still not been added according to Frankie.

Story Bible was a myth before 343, and there is no guarantee that Bungie would have gone this way.

Go to 11:50.

[Edited on 10.26.2011 1:41 PM PDT]

  • 10.26.2011 1:40 PM PDT

Okay that not completely true. The first novel FoR was MS's idea, but Nylund used the Halo Bible extensively for reference material. In an interview Joe Staten said Bungie assumed control of any expanded content after the first novel to assume quality control and to make sure everything meshed well with the games; books, comics, graphic novels, live action shorts etc. Bungie liked Nylunds work enough they commissioned him to write two more books. As for the idea of never like FoR as canon, Bungie has used and refernced characters, events and tech from the book in games and other media. Bungie's head story writer even penned Contact Havest, so your assertion that Bungie never counted the books as canon is bunk.

  • 10.26.2011 1:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
I'm not trying deliberately to be harsh, but I was legitimately annoyed from having heard the exact same bs over and over again.


If you keep hearing the same BS over and over again, there may actually be a problem.


And the problems I've seen are borderline nonexistent.



1. Humans understanding and applying forerunner tech in under 3 months is ridicules and this is WITHOUT halsey. This is the first time humanity has actually seen a large forerunner ruin that didn't get destroyed or had to be left alone. Even in perfect times with halsey it would take more than 3 damn months for the to understand AND apply forerunner knowledge to a toilet.

this is a major rush.

2. the production of another Mark suit months after Mark 6 just came out is ludicrous. I couldn't care-less if another company did it. The economy wasn't in shape to do more Mark suits for the S-IIIs (who needed them), so right after a war they can role out with mark 7?


Not to mention it would be far more smarter to spend this "blood money" on improving SPI armor since everybody can use it and it was dirt cheap to start with. make the injections the S-IIIs got prior to chrysanthemum military standard and they would be fine.

Mark 7 and another Spartan project do not make sense for a economy that is suppose to be battered. If 1 mark V suit cost as much as a battlegroup how much would a few hundred Mark 7s cost? Not to mention that post war humanity is going to need all the ships it can get.


While a spartan program was bound to return it did not need to return so soon. As i said making SIII injections and SPI military standard would have been a far smarter and cheaper.

3. This whole "Halsey is a monster" is complete bullshirt.

Halsey loved those kids to death and knew everyday what she did was wrong yet it had to be done. Without the spartans we woudl have lost. Fact. So to pin the blame on somebody that was approached and asked to do this is completely immoral.

ONI is the culprit here not halsey. no military personal or affiliate should be put on trail for doing what was asked of him/her; especially if it saved your damn race.

4.Explain the logic of ONI trying to oust Thel (the main elite in power that can stand humans) with Elites that would rather attack humanity?

I have heard the "keep your competitor weak and divided" argument before. But it would be more beneficial for the UNSC (wait, ONI is in control) to support a crusade against the brutes and prophets Rather than have the elites fight each other.


If the elites wipe out the brutes Nobody has to worry about them. If a Anti-human Faction kills Thel then they are probably going to try attacking us. And since we are going for spartans instead of ships the battle is going to be pathetic.


The only and i mean ONLY reason i could see why ONI is doing this is if they plan to invade Sanghelios and Wipe out the elites. Other than that this is stupid, not saying that plan isn't.


5. ONI clearly has far too much power and needs to be reduced. What they did during the war was slightly justifiable but now they are no better than cerberus.

[Edited on 10.26.2011 2:11 PM PDT]

  • 10.26.2011 1:52 PM PDT

It's not that hard to believe that the story bible was a semi-coherent mess of papers, guidelines, characters, and ideas. When most writers plan out a series, whether it be a book, game or movie series the amount of stuff regardless if every idea is used or scrapped isn't 100% linear until the final product it completed. Even then there are always ideas the author wanted to use, but couldn't fit in or ideas that were scrapped and just left as concept reference.

  • 10.26.2011 1:55 PM PDT

100% agree with grey101. Except Mjolnr armor wasn't as expensive as a battle group, the entire cost of training and equiping the Spartan-2s cost as much as the construction of a battle group. The original idea for the Spartans was to stop wars before they start so the UNSC wouldn't have to build another battle group or more to go ahead against innies. Then the Human-Covenat War happened and we all know the rest.

[Edited on 10.26.2011 2:04 PM PDT]

  • 10.26.2011 1:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Old Salty27
100% agree with grey101. Except Mjolnr armor wasn't as expensive as a battle group, the entire cost of training and equiping the Spartan-2s cost as much as the construction of a battle group. The original idea for the Spartans was to stop wars before they start so the UNSC wouldn't have to build another battle group or more to go ahead against innies. Then the Human-Covenat War happened and we all know the rest.


Last time i remember it was clearly stated that one suit equaled a battle group hence the SPI armor being made.

  • 10.26.2011 2:10 PM PDT

My bad. I thought you meant the individual suits were that expensive.

[Edited on 10.26.2011 2:14 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Old Salty27
My bad.


Its fine. i am purely on Roberto right now.

  • 10.26.2011 2:14 PM PDT

Halo 3 is where the morons of the universe congregates.

I am thinking of an old story. "Three Billy Goats Gruff" (hint the troll dies at the end)

Posted by: zarrowsmith
If you had an electron microscope, you still couldn't find the -blam!- I don't give.

i haven't heard about any new book, so i just want some clarification. this does take place after h3 right? or are the -blam!- with us

  • 10.26.2011 2:38 PM PDT
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We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: Yourself 332AGN
i haven't heard about any new book, so i just want some clarification. this does take place after h3 right? or are the -blam!- with us

The new book is Halo Glasslands, by Karen Traviss. It follows Halsey, and ONI post Halo 3.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

after halo 3..

  • 10.26.2011 2:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Old Salty27
My bad.


Its fine. i am purely on Roberto right now.


The most immature person could take this in a very wrong way.

...

*Looks around room in a paranoid fashion*

*giggles to self*

  • 10.26.2011 2:50 PM PDT

...................wut? O.o
Who am I kidding? I giggled a little too.

  • 10.26.2011 2:57 PM PDT

Halo 3 is where the morons of the universe congregates.

I am thinking of an old story. "Three Billy Goats Gruff" (hint the troll dies at the end)

Posted by: zarrowsmith
If you had an electron microscope, you still couldn't find the -blam!- I don't give.

skiming through the post will lead you to that conclusion. it did for me

  • 10.26.2011 2:58 PM PDT

From reading other posts and other threads (I have not read Glasslands), it seems like people are not liking the way that Glasslands went. I can see the possibility of a full war of the forums coming soon.

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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: jvc8996
From reading other posts and other threads (I have not read Glasslands), it seems like people are not liking the way that Glasslands went. I can see the possibility of a full war of the forums coming soon.

Like Reach all over again. Sort of. Less hate this time, though.

[Edited on 10.26.2011 3:01 PM PDT]

  • 10.26.2011 3:00 PM PDT

I haven't had a chance to grab the book yet (its on my Kindle's Wishlist), but after thumbing through my friend's copy of the Forerunner Saga Book One (and Google), I'd really going kinda WTF with the direction with the extended universe is going. Your comments on Grasslands really cements that for me.

While I have issues with Reach's plot, it doesn't really bother me that it does contradict Fall of Reach; and I find the idea that Reach fought for several months instead of the sudden attack from FoR more enjoyable/realistic; Halo Wars shows that humanity continued to fight for every colony they lost, including Harvest, and while humanity was outclassed, they made the Conventant pay for every piece of territory they captured.

  • 10.26.2011 4:22 PM PDT

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