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Posted by: Primo84
I like it so far.
Anyone complaining about the Halsey-Mendez angle is blind: Halsey has been a villain since The Fall of Reach, it's just been on the backburner because everything featuring her up until this point has been told from either her perspective or one of her Spartans.
It's probably why she came off as such a -blam!- in Reach; she is one.
I have to admit, I had higher hopes for you guys. Then again, after seeing so many people in this forum claim that Jorge was a "good" character, I should have seen this coming.
Halsey is a war criminal, as are Mendez, Parangosky, and every other willing participant in the SPARTAN-II project.
Hahahahaha XD Oh don't make me laugh. Halsey is not a villain and never has been! Where did you even get such an absurd idea or interpretation from TFoR that isn't even supported by the book?
Wow, you sure are full of yourself. I don't think I've ever seen anyone with an ego as big as yours!
-.- Again with the ludicrous statements and assumptions. The creation of the Spartan Program was not a war crime, if you think that's the case I think you may need to refine your definition of that term.
I made a thread about this a while back, and it went over a lot of people's heads. It's probably the same reason my favorite novel is Contact Harvest, it shares parallels with real life current events. The Insurrection is essentially a parallel to modern terrorism, only in the Halo Universe, the Insurrection's gripes are legit, and their demands doable.
The Insurrectionists are brutal, merciless, terrorists, there is nothing noble or admirable about them. None of their complaints are legitimate in any way. The UNSC may not be perfect because no government or governing body is or ever can be, but they are not evil fascists oppressing the whole civilian populace and robbing them blind just because they can and for -blam!-z and giggles. The UNSC even tried to find a workable, peaceable solution with what became the Insurrection. The Innies are the one who created the whole conflict in the first place, they were the ones who made the first move and escalated things from simmering hostility and difficult negotiations to terrorism and what basically amounts to a civil war.
The UNSC aren't evil fascist dictators either, I'd like to see some actual evidence to support that claim, as I've never even seen anything remotely resembling such. They're not exploiting any of the colonies, they're not oppressing them, they're not brutally subverting any and all opposition, there's nothing going on in the UNSC to qualify them as some evil empire that makes those who rebel or fight against it great heroes. The worst thing they're trying to do is hold humanity together, which is not an evil goal at all. It's not about holding onto their own power, it's about keeping humanity itself strong as an act of preservation. How long do you seriously think it would all last if all of the UNSC held space broke apart and went their separate ways forming their own governments? How long before they all decide to try and kill each other off?
Halsey had an ego so large that it's a surprise the universe could physically contain it. Given her attitude toward Ackerson, her possessiveness of her work, and her need to try and be involved in everything, it's a shock that she ever felt guilt to begin with.
If she had been truly doing everything for the sake of humanity, and not her own self-interests, wouldn't you think she'd be a bit more forthcoming with her work? When faced with the truth that there had been another Spartan program done without her knowing, she seemed more so offended that they had used her work and replicated her program rather than that she'd been kept in the dark about it.
Feeling possessive of your work is natural, why is it a surprise to you? Wouldn't you care if work you spent a lot of time pouring effort and time into was just copied without any sort of consultation from you or anything? ONI pretty much stole her work, I'd be angry about that too, especially if I'd spent 25+ years of life working on it. So what if she poked into whatever she could? It's called curiosity, I'm not going to say whether Halsey poking around ONI's files is bad or good because I really don't give a damn about it, I see nothing either right or wrong with it.
Forthcoming? The Spartan II project was supposed to be a secret project, aka, not something you'd go blabbing around about. And that's the whole reason for the creation of the program, to preserved Humanity, it was not for Halsey's benefit that she proposed the program!
And as I said above, you'd feel the exact same way if you found out that someone had been copying your project and research mostly for their own gain *cough*Ackerson*cough*.
"Blah blah blah, Covenant War," some of you might say. Funny that Halsey's actions can only truly be justified/rationalized in hindsight. Years had gone into planning the SPARTAN-II project; well before the Covenant War, and if anyone paid attention to her journal, before the Insurrection had been exacerbated with the use of nuclear weapons.
She wanted free reign to do whatever the hell she felt like: she was a monster.
This only seems new because everything we've seen of her so far has been either from her own perspective, or that of a SPARTAN-II, who all idolize her.
If this is really the first time some of you have thought of this, I kind of wonder how you manage the parts of the books that aren't all 'pew pew, boom!'.
Actually they were fully justified when the program was first started. If the UNSC had just done nothing the Insurrection only would have gotten worse and billions of people would have been killed. The Insurrection began in 2494 and the Spartan II Program was not introduced for another 23+ years (approved by ONI in 2517). So no, the Spartan Program was not in serious consideration before the Innies started using nukes and widespread, massive scale terrorist activities.
I'm not going to say that Halsey's actions morally right or anything, but she's not a monster, a monster would feel no qualms or hold any regrets about what they've done or try to make amends. Now someone like Ackerson or Parangosky, they fit the bill for monster far more than Halsey does, especially Parangosky.