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Subject: Logical Threads a Rarity
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There is something missing in these forums, and somehow and somewhere this community is letting itself down. Upon reading through threads in the Community and Universe forums, I realized that the quantity of threads that had no real discussional value was unbelieveable. There was simply a great amount of threads the forum would be better off without.

It made me start thinking about what this community has become, or has failed to become. I would be a prouder member of this community if the number of logical threads out weighed and out numbered those with no discussion at all.

There can only be one reason for this. A lack of interest and a slouchy attitude towards the forums. People have gotten lazier, and you can see this by the amount of locked threads there are every day. I can understand if you are a new member to the community and are not on top of everything yet. Even if you are, every one is human and mistakes do happen. However, if it happens day after day after day, the logical thing to do is learn from your mistakes.

The forums suffer from lack of depth, most replies are 1 line answers unless the author of a thread has really pushed the envelope with his literary work. Not every thread has to be one of immense detail , but not everyone should be one of, unimportant information or lack of information.

The authors of the thread are to blame mostly, but not entirely. Think about it this way, if a building has a weak foundation, it will not withstand the test of time and will be brutally punished and collapse soon after it's built. In the same way, if an author does not add enough meat (information) to the subjects skeleton (body, underlying principle) then the people who post in it will have nothing to work on therefore reducing the potential discussional value.

Some threads have really good ideas, but there isn't enough 'meat' to substantiate anything that is said in the bodynof the text. I therefore urge you to start making more logical threads that are layer out with a strong foundation that will lead to other developments and a higher amount of things to discuss about. If it matters to you, I reckon that it will also receive more replies then a topic that has a lack of interesting information so you can get the thread to a hot topic quite easily.

What are your thoughts on this problem and do you believe that it is in fact a problem or am I overreacting. State either and substatiate your answer. Also, what would you do to eliminate the 'problem' if you believe there is one?

  • 10.28.2011 3:23 PM PDT

The problem is that there really isn't much to discuss in depth with Bungie having gone dark for Destiny and all that junk.

  • 10.28.2011 3:29 PM PDT

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Interesting threads happen when they happen. Until then, we're like the anime for Bleach.

  • 10.28.2011 3:31 PM PDT

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If depth is what you seek, it is unlikely that you will find much here. Indeed, Bungie.net is more of a place for a gathering of players and friends who share a common interest. There are many academic fora that are sure to be more along the lines of what you hope to find. I empathize with your concern, but I do not sympathize. Furthermore, you can always try private groups; I find that they tend to hold a depth of perception and logic scarcely found in the public forums. Oh, and proofreading helps to better make your point and tends to fend off those who would use a logical fallacy in stating that your argument has little merit merely because your spelling and grammar are less than superb.

  • 10.28.2011 3:31 PM PDT

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The problem is the subject matter. How much about Halo can be said after so long a period? All that can be talked about it probably already has. That is why we have private groups and the flood. It is hard to keep coming up with thread ideas about Halo or the Bnet community that has not been covered. I think the rules do not allow you to talk about leaked content about up coming games, so what are we to do? I have been on here for a while and private groups and getting together to play is what keeps me logging in. The point is that there can be only so much Halo that can be talked about, the well is running dry so to speak.

  • 10.28.2011 3:32 PM PDT

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Duardo: This thread is locked for being stupid.
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Foman: I see absolutely no reason, either theoretical or practical, that this is not a superb idea. Excellent work, my friend.

I agree, this is an issue. Perhaps we should have moderators inject topics of merit into the forums to add discussional value?

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  • 10.28.2011 3:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: xXIHAYD0IXx
If depth is what you seek, it is unlikely that you will find much here. Indeed, Bungie.net is more of a place for a gathering of players and friends who share a common interest. There are many academic fora that are sure to be more along the lines of what you hope to find. I empathize with your concern, but I do not sympathize. Furthermore, you can always try private groups; I find that they tend to hold a depth of perception and logic scarcely found in the public forums. Oh, and proofreading helps to better make your point and tends to fend off those who would use a logical fallacy in stating that your argument has little merit merely because your spelling and grammar are less than superb.

Using an iPad, it's quite a hassle to proof read because the block in which text is written doesn't scroll. So I cannot proof read. Expect an edit and additional information soon.

  • 10.28.2011 3:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: John McGhee 1975
The problem is the subject matter. How much about Halo can be said after so long a period? All that can be talked about it probably already has. That is why we have private groups and the flood. It is hard to keep coming up with thread ideas about Halo or the Bnet community that has not been covered. I think the rules do not allow you to talk about leaked content about up coming games, so what are we to do? I have been on here for a while and private groups and getting together to play is what keeps me logging in. The point is that there can be only so much Halo that can be talked about, the well is running dry so to speak.

Very interesting point. I understand fully on what you're saying. I just have one question then, and that is, why do you post at at all if there is no need to? Surely if there was enough 'water' in each of the threads there would be no reason to keep refilling the same 'well'.

  • 10.28.2011 3:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: kkrotz
Upon reading through threads in the Community and Universe forums, I realized that the quantity of threads that had no real discussional value was unbelieveable. There was simply a great amount of threads the forum would be better off without.

It made me start thinking about what this community has become, or has failed to become. I would be a prouder member of this community if the number of logical threads out weighed and out numbered those with no discussion at all.

There can only be one reason for this. A lack of interest and a slouchy attitude towards the forums. People have gotten lazier, and you can see this by the amount of locked threads there are every day.

I wouldn't say there is a problem with laziness, but more a lack of content. With Bungie currently dark, there is very little to discuss (which has not been discussed previously). Most ideas have already been discussed, so it is inevitable that there will be a decrease in new, "good ideas."

Locked threads are not evidence of laziness either (and there are in fact very few locked threads on the front page). Almost all of them are created by members who are new, or who rarely post. There have always been misplaced threads, and more are unavoidable, but the "increase" may be caused by the decrease in overall activity, so they remain on the front page for longer, not because members are getting lazier.

[Edited on 10.28.2011 3:57 PM PDT]

  • 10.28.2011 3:57 PM PDT

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Even though a subject has been covered there can be new info or new points to be covered, that is a reason to post. I understand your point, I'm just trying to think of reasons that your point is correct.

  • 10.28.2011 3:59 PM PDT

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Upon reading through threads in the Community and Universe forums, I realized that the quantity of threads that had no real discussional value was unbelieveable. There was simply a great amount of threads the forum would be better off without.

Oh? Let's go through the first ten of the first page, shall we? This post is gonna be kinda [double enter]-y. Just a heads up.

[this is how I see it while I'm making this, it's obviously going to be different by the time I post it]

Thread 1: Quoting a quoted quote

Plenty of room for discussion on whether or not the system should either let us just quote the most recent quote in a conversation OR if it should just limit you to one quote, so as to make the process simpler and more streamlined. This also avoids quote pyramids.

Like I said, plenty of room for discussion. This one passes inspection.

Thread 2: This thread.

Obviously room for discussion, I'm discussing it. Also, you went out of your way to write a LOT about your topic, giving everyone a good about of content to respond to and discuss. Good on you. This one passes inspection.

Thread 3: Why is this even a rule?

Though it's beyond me why the OP and Righteous are still going at it in their debate in that thread, the semantics etc. are obviously worth discussing if he got a hot topic out of it with the discussion still being civil and intelligent. This one passes inspection.

Thread 4: The Prefixes and Member Titles FAQ Thread

Obviously discussion worthy, it has the most replies of any thread in the history of BNet. (~21,000) This one passes inspection

Thread 5: is bungie a cult or wat?

Here's the first thread that's somewhat questionable. Though it's quite farcical in nature, it's a nice, lighthearted "conspiracy theory gone wrong" thread. Though the OP is inconceivably flawed and completely wrong, it's nice and even got Hot Topic'd and an Employee response. This one passes inspection.

Thread 6: Rule question

Sure, it could have been handled in a PM to a mod, but it lead to some good discussion about threads like that, and whether or not the reasons mods have to lock threads are always totally legitimate. This thread gets half a pass. If it turns out that all the others pass, I'll go your way, OP, and fail this one.

Thread 7: How long do you spend on BNet each day?

Sure, it's a poll. Sure, it's a multiple choice question. Sure, it invokes 1 sentence responses. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have a discussion value. We can still see how active different members of the community, as well as the community as a whole is on a regular basis. This gives us an even greater insight into (what we already know to be) an extremely dedicated community. This thread passes inspection.

Thread 8: Accounts Absent and Eventually Deleted

Discussion Value? Little to none. Worthless? No. The OP didn't know that this was no longer in effect on BNet. What the hell, I'll fail it, just for you OP.

Thread 9: Feelings towards bans and warnings thread

Good discussion about how people think about bans and warnings in different ways and how the context in which they receive them may change how they perceive said punitive action. This one passes inspection.

Thread 10: Something about halo: ce and Halo 4

Not going to lie, this one's got little to no discussion value and one's like it are getting dull. This one fails.

So, OP, that's a total of 2 (in my opinion obviously) that have little to no discussion value are 8 that have a good amount of reasoning submitted as to why they're good threads.

In addition: How could we "eliminate" this problem? It's people's own ideas and ideologies. You can't take away from people what they think is worthy of a thread whenever it pops into their head in an epiphany-like way. The problem can't be eliminated, even it were obscenely present and obtusely problematic.

  • 10.28.2011 4:06 PM PDT
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Hmm, yes. We need more Logical Thinking around these parts...

  • 10.28.2011 4:16 PM PDT

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Your capitalization of "Logical Thinking" greatly amuses me, jester!
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Hmm, yes. We need more Logical Thinking around these parts...

  • 10.28.2011 4:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Chalupa King117
Your capitalization of "Logical Thinking" greatly amuses me, jester!
Posted by: Skibur
Hmm, yes. We need more Logical Thinking around these parts...
I don't think it means what you think it means.

Haha, good ol' Jack.

  • 10.28.2011 4:23 PM PDT

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Not with a bang but a whimper.

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  • 10.28.2011 4:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: Chalupa King117
Your capitalization of "Logical Thinking" greatly amuses me, jester!
Posted by: Skibur
Hmm, yes. We need more Logical Thinking around these parts...
I don't think it means what you think it means.

Haha, good ol' Jack.
You and TU have both linked that in the past 2 days... Damn that's a good movie.

[Edited on 10.28.2011 4:50 PM PDT]

  • 10.28.2011 4:50 PM PDT


Posted by: kkrotz

The forums suffer from lack of depth, most replies are 1 line answers unless the author of a thread has really pushed the envelope with his literary work. Not every thread has to be one of immense detail , but not everyone should be one of, unimportant information or lack of information.
I have to disagree. It depends on the user on whether they want to have a fully explained post or not. While there is the locked threads... those are probably just people who want to play around and it would take years for them to become more mature. The quality of the threads come from the people who want to make it.

Honestly the world would be a boring place if all said quality comments. Urk says 1-liners and every enjoys the comments. I learned from my recent Bungie employee thread.

  • 10.28.2011 5:02 PM PDT
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You're not preaching anything that hasn't been stated in the past. You will accept, as each of us have, that it is the way of things. Private groups can be good sanctuaries, so too can just wading through piss until you find something that interest you.

  • 10.28.2011 5:16 PM PDT

I don't view this a a big deal... what do you want the community to be then?

  • 10.28.2011 6:19 PM PDT

Key

If you don't like how it is, just check the front page daily until they announce Destiny. Then come back.

  • 10.28.2011 6:27 PM PDT

This is the way the world ends,
This is the way the world ends,
This is the way the world ends;
Not with a bang but a whimper.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
If you don't like how it is, just check the front page daily until they announce Destiny. Then come back.
And it will have gotten much worse.

[Edited on 10.28.2011 6:50 PM PDT]

  • 10.28.2011 6:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: xXIHAYD0IXx
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
If you don't like how it is, just check the front page daily until they announce Destiny. Then come back.
And it will have gotten much worse.
Well, threads will be much more discussion worthy and interesting... The community may get some more bad apples, but you can ignore them.

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There are a lot of good threads out there and quite a few forums to search for them. Even if only five percent of the threads are good, there are still a lot of them out there.

  • 10.28.2011 6:52 PM PDT

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  • 10.28.2011 7:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: kkrotz
There can only be one reason for this. A lack of interest and a slouchy attitude towards the forums. People have gotten lazier, and you can see this by the amount of locked threads there are every day. I can understand if you are a new member to the community and are not on top of everything yet. Even if you are, every one is human and mistakes do happen. However, if it happens day after day after day, the logical thing to do is learn from your mistakes.

The forums suffer from lack of depth, most replies are 1 line answers unless the author of a thread has really pushed the envelope with his literary work. Not every thread has to be one of immense detail , but not everyone should be one of, unimportant information or lack of information.

The authors of the thread are to blame mostly, but not entirely. Think about it this way, if a building has a weak foundation, it will not withstand the test of time and will be brutally punished and collapse soon after it's built. In the same way, if an author does not add enough meat (information) to the subjects skeleton (body, underlying principle) then the people who post in it will have nothing to work on therefore reducing the potential discussional value.


I think respondents are mostly to blame, not authors. Well-thought out and clearly written posts are met with indifference and sycophancy. There's therefore little reason to invest any time into making threads of value.

  • 10.28.2011 7:16 PM PDT

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