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obviously i hope you can see the issue with that. Forerunner drives,spartan 4s, all within pretty much 2 months? That clearly means this was started during the war in which if we had a forerunner-human ship, Spartan 4s, AND, Mark 7; why the hell weren't they used? and why are they getting more use now?
Because even now they're still in protyping stages, and are also still considered quite new. This one's not hard to figure out.
There is then the direct contradiction with Thel going to Sangheilios after he arrives at Earth yet during the cinematic he speaks as if he hasn't been there yet. Karen really needs to learn the lore of what she is doing and stop writing blind.
No, Rtas speaks as if he hasn't been there, the Arbiter never makes even a mention of Sanghelios except to confirm to Rtas that they have made it safe (which in fact could be evidence to support that he was there).
3.Elites gonna Hate- The Elites have some issues Post war which are to be expected; they are the victims more so than humanity in many cases. But they aren't without ignorance and stupidity.
The main reason the elites hate humanity post war is because they are pissed that they couldn't wipe them out in 30 years. Calling our expansion an "infestation" to the galaxy despite the fact we "control" an extremely small portion.
It pretty much comes down to "If we could have exterminated you we wouldn't be in this mess right now" which i find extremely childish.
You would think since they had a good 2-3 eons before us in colonization that are few hundred worlds (if that) we had would be nothing to the amount they should have. Suck it up elites and stop being mad that we built our SugarHoneyIceTea from the ground up.
The Elites are arrogant and highly prideful in their martial powers. And even still you completely misinterpreted why (only some) of the Elites still hate us. Jul (the only Elites with any power or prominance expressly stated to still want to wipe us out and has no goal but) makes a point in saying that he wants us dead because he fears our retaliation if we should recuporate, the exact same reason why ONI wants them in eternal strife. Not because of a childish revenge motive, but because of fear. Revenge is mentioned only every now and then as a reason to uphold honor; other then that, the anti-human Elites are fearful of us, and want to destroy us as a precaution.
4. [The blame game[/b]- The novel also introduces another childish and stupid factor "lets pin the blame on the women that saved humanity", thats right everybody is trying to blame halsey for the spartan program issue is.
A)ONI funded it- you can't complain about what happened when you spent 20 years working on the project and even funded ANOTHER project that had worse ethics than the first. Sure "The S-II program was before the covenant war" but from a few hints it seems that ONI was aware of high charity just before the war. Watch this not become a coincidence. Oh did i mention the part where WE WON BECAUSE OF THAT PROGRAM?
B) Mendez your a wimp- Nearly the entire novel mendez is complaining about how he never supported the program and how effed up halsey is. Last time i checked he never asked to be reassigned nor did he refuse to help the S-III project that was worse in ethics than the second(will get to).
Mendez has no right whatsoever to try an pin halsey as if she did anything wrong; she served her race with pride and nobody should be punished for doing what the military asks them to do.
C) Big B1t(h Maggie- You want to know the true source of the Halsey hate? Maggie, why? "Because you didn't tell me you were using clones."
Again, you are misinterpreting the book. Nobody is blaming the entire Spartan program on Halsey; even ONI understands they were just as equally immoral. It is simply because Halsey created the technology, the program itself, came up with pretty much all of the ideas, was responsible for the deaths or mutilations of half the candidates and to top it all off, was the only target more then half of the characters had to take shots at for almost the whole book.
And with Mendez, this is where I get the impression you skipped several chapters. Not once through out the entire book does he ever say he never supported the program. In fact, the entire reason he feels guilty is because he supported it, and even openly admits he did, but likens it to working in a sewer; he never registered the "smell" or the wrongness of it all until he stepped outside, or reflected upon his life.
And we've known forever that Parangosky is a spiteful -blam!- who has literally killed everyone who crossed her. You think Halsey is any different or unique? -blam!-, she got off easy; she's not even dead! The reason Parangosky wanted Halsey was because a massive dollar sign went towards the cloning program. Parangosky was not aware that such operations were being funded by her money, and even more pissed because the cloning was functionally pointless. It was only to serve Halsey's conscience, a notion Parangosky clearly is not familar with, nor willing to be familiar with. It was, in her mind, a massive waste of money that only served to destroy the lives of the clones' parents (and in Naomi's folks case, twice) since the clones were positively going to die young. Since Halsey crossed her, of all people, Parangosky, a person who arguably is obessively vengeful, the woman who will murder anyone who does anything that spites her, I'm stunned anyone has a problem with Parangosky's reaction.
(running low on characters again; deleted some things). You were talking about "how is that volunteering?"
Again, precisely the point, a point Halsey even makes. It may have escaped your notice, but humans have a tendancy to irrationally justify anything they do so the blame is not, or at least less so, pinned on them. You know, human nature.
Are you implying to me you expect all characters to act rationally? Sounds boring as hell to me.
5. Gathering a pointless army- At a time where ships (especially with forerunner tech) are needed ONI feels like they should gather up a large and costful army.
ONI plans to "start" a spartan 4 program (despite the fact there have been spartan 4s) and make it open like the orion project. They also plan on issuing Mark 7 full of new expensive tech.
There was never a Spartan 4 program, only a Spartan III generation 2 (and maybe 3, but I'm not sure). Where have you ever heard of a Spartan IV before?
Its also strongly implied to not be an army, but a significantly more effective industrial workforce by their usage; only called Spartans because they effectively are, what with the augmentations. They are attatched to the Infinity project, a project that is less focused on war and more focused on technology, and, more importantly, the construction of said technology.
You're also implying that you both A) understand the precise budget plan ONI has for the mk 7, and B) fully understand the oppurtunity cost of not creating the mk 7 compared to making it (ergo, you imply you know the whole story). As I said, the S4s could very easily be used as a manufactoring force on the Infinity, a much, much more effective one then anything the regular humans could do, especially with a more effective mk. 7.
Also implying that there is no feasible way the new tech they've been unlocking could possibly have miniaturized the cost required for a Mk. 7
6. Egg before the chicken- The Ruins under swordbase were the only ruins the UNSC had access to for more than a few days. Even then they couldn't unlock it until reach fell. So how are they able to have forerunner drives under 2 months after the war and what forerunner tech have they been looking at to make a ship in the oort cloud?
First off, you completely ignored Onyx and how we were studying it since before the 2500s. Second, you are again also implying you know the whole story and believe the only tech ONI could possibly have had access to were the ones in Sword Base, despite the fact we already know the Forerunners controlled the solar system. Perhaps whatever tech they used was in the Ort Cloud?
Its questions like these that define the existence of sequels, and if you'll remember, there are two follow ups in the works for Glasslands. This is less a complaint and more of a curious thought.
7. Engineer or not to?- According to Osman ONI only had 1 Engineer during the entire war even at that it was a few years ago. Which doesn't add up since Virgil was grabbed right before halo 3 and a group of them were caught in FS. So we are just as mangled with the engineers as we are with the spartans.
The ones in First Strike were killed with Admiral Whitcomb and his diversion. And I do not recall the "years ago" part. I actually thought she was talking about Virgil and never caught anything that suggested otherwise. I'll have to look again
On top of that she said the Engineer made some interesting developments. It couldn't have been that interesting if it wasn't stated; she should have just said the damn thing unlocked the drives for humanity.
Thats kind of implied what happened, yeah--writers expect readers to use their brain after all--and even if not, again: the point of sequels.
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Towards the last comment (deleted because of character limitations) how does the writer have anything to do with what was being checked with 343i? If it made sense to them, it sure as hell should work to you, since between the two parties, us and them, they know everything where as we know virtually nothing.