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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

obviously if you don't want "spoilers" then don't read this. I would also like to formally state that i had been looking forward to glasslands for months, thus the "you hated it from the start" will not apply here. Especally since i haven't been too active on Bungie


Halo:Glasslands is indeed a good despite any issues it my cause because this is our first look into the universe "post war".
But the book is far from perfect and her is where i will break it down.
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First off the book is a little hard to get into at first. People say that was an issue with cryptum but i feel that was due to it being a completely new vibe. This time i find it due to the writing style and the fact it jumps from perspectives far to frequently.
We were assured that the book was not a direct sequel to GoO but to be completely honest it is. The book starts off sepratly but ends up with all the perspectives meeting up with ONI finding halsey and the spartans at the end of the book. Which is odd since we were told they get out early and the book wasn't about them.

Here is where i start listing issues.


1. ONI- "Post war" this sect of the government has far too much power and i feel is grossly misusing it. They plan to beef up humanity so they can wipe out the Sangheili which i find completely stupid and proving the Sangheili's paranoia correct.
Not only that they seem to be completely neglecting the fact that humanity though being in good shape post war) is far from capable of fighting a war even 50 years from now. Instead of Helping the UNSC and UEG pull humanity together ONI is more focused on harassing the elites which could come back to the humans if caught.
ONI is acting as a completely separate group from the UNSC and is comparable to cerberus of mass effect. The goals seem to be of a more personal interest rather than for the best of humanity. Examples being spending money on Mark 7, spartan 4s, and infinity; all of which i will cover later along with the halsey hate.


2. "Post-war"- The timeline is another issue for this novel, it occurs too soon. Most of us were expecting it to be atleast a year plus later but all of these events are taking place a total of 3 months after the war ended. The last date is the memorial scene at the end of halo 3, that is pretty much where the book stops at.

obviously i hope you can see the issue with that. Forerunner drives,spartan 4s, all within pretty much 2 months? That clearly means this was started during the war in which if we had a forerunner-human ship, Spartan 4s, AND, Mark 7; why the hell weren't they used? and why are they getting more use now?

There is then the direct contradiction with Thel going to Sangheilios after he arrives at Earth yet during the cinematic he speaks as if he hasn't been there yet. Karen really needs to learn the lore of what she is doing and stop writing blind.

3.Elites gonna Hate- The Elites have some issues Post war which are to be expected; they are the victims more so than humanity in many cases. But they aren't without ignorance and stupidity.
The main reason the elites hate humanity post war is because they are pissed that they couldn't wipe them out in 30 years. Calling our expansion an "infestation" to the galaxy despite the fact we "control" an extremely small portion.
It pretty much comes down to "If we could have exterminated you we wouldn't be in this mess right now" which i find extremely childish.
You would think since they had a good 2-3 eons before us in colonization that are few hundred worlds (if that) we had would be nothing to the amount they should have. Suck it up elites and stop being mad that we built our SugarHoneyIceTea from the ground up.

4. [The blame game[/b]- The novel also introduces another childish and stupid factor "lets pin the blame on the women that saved humanity", thats right everybody is trying to blame halsey for the spartan program issue is.

A)ONI funded it- you can't complain about what happened when you spent 20 years working on the project and even funded ANOTHER project that had worse ethics than the first. Sure "The S-II program was before the covenant war" but from a few hints it seems that ONI was aware of high charity just before the war. Watch this not become a coincidence. Oh did i mention the part where WE WON BECAUSE OF THAT PROGRAM?

B) Mendez your a wimp- Nearly the entire novel mendez is complaining about how he never supported the program and how effed up halsey is. Last time i checked he never asked to be reassigned nor did he refuse to help the S-III project that was worse in ethics than the second(will get to).
Mendez has no right whatsoever to try an pin halsey as if she did anything wrong; she served her race with pride and nobody should be punished for doing what the military asks them to do.

C) Big B1t(h Maggie- You want to know the true source of the Halsey hate? Maggie, why? "Because you didn't tell me you were using clones."

ARE YOU EFFEN SERIOUS???

How are you going to brag about how you knew every little thing she was doing when she though she was so sweet yet NOT know every little thing she was doing? Halsey used clones to atleast give the familys some kind of comfort; she retorted with " Atleast seeing their child die was better than thinking they got carried off and R@ped somewhere".

Is that not reasonable? Sure i can see what is wrong with it yet at the same time you can't say she didn't have a motherly impluse with that move. Mendez tried saying that the S-IIIs "volunteered". Analogy.

If somebody comes and wrecks the car you just spent 25,000 dollars on would you not be pissed an want to beat the hell out of them?

So how are you going to ask 4-6 year old kids "do you want to kill the people that killed you mom?" and consider that "volunteering"?

5. Gathering a pointless army- At a time where ships (especially with forerunner tech) are needed ONI feels like they should gather up a large and costful army.

ONI plans to "start" a spartan 4 program (despite the fact there have been spartan 4s) and make it open like the orion project. They also plan on issuing Mark 7 full of new expensive tech.

How are you going to talk about how colonies are lost,ships are few, and it is going to take decades to rebuild but spend trillions of dollars creating an army with no war? Not only that but it isn't even the cost and efficient thing to do.
Post war the army should be issued with updated SPI armor along with standard injections with ODST training. That alone would be far more useful than dozens of spartan projects.
Seeing how 1 suit of MARK FIVE cost an entire battle group I don't see how they are making these Mark 7 suits,funding a program AND making a new tech ship. Smells like ONI is taking all the FEMA money.

6. Egg before the chicken- The Ruins under swordbase were the only ruins the UNSC had access to for more than a few days. Even then they couldn't unlock it until reach fell. So how are they able to have forerunner drives under 2 months after the war and what forerunner tech have they been looking at to make a ship in the oort cloud?

04 was destroyed,onyx was destroyed (at the time),halowars shield world was destroyed,The ark was destroyed, 04 II was destroyed, and many of the other ruins the UNSC found were destroyed.

So if the UNSC blows up anything they touch what could they have found and studied for atleast a decade to create such a ship? ontop of that they did this WITHOUT halsey; who we have been told for the last 10 years is the leading expect on the forerunners yet it takes time for her to even understand the basics. So Halsey must not have been that good if somebody cracked the forerunner drives in a far shorter time than it took her to crack a "simple" jackal shield.

The only thing that could add up is if they found a shield world. but you would expect far more advanced weaponry if they did.


7. Engineer or not to?- According to Osman ONI only had 1 Engineer during the entire war even at that it was a few years ago. Which doesn't add up since Virgil was grabbed right before halo 3 and a group of them were caught in FS. So we are just as mangled with the engineers as we are with the spartans.

On top of that she said the Engineer made some interesting developments. It couldn't have been that interesting if it wasn't stated; she should have just said the damn thing unlocked the drives for humanity.
----------------------------------------------------


All in all i will NEVER tell anybody not to buy a halo book for whatever reason. Always buy the new books and stay updated in the lore, But Glasslands while it IS interesting i think it needs a different author.

  • 10.28.2011 3:38 PM PDT


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Posted by: grey101
obviously if you don't want "spoilers" then don't read this. I would also like to formally state that i had been looking forward to glasslands for months, thus the "you hated it from the start" will not apply here. Especally since i haven't been too active on Bungie


Halo:Glasslands is indeed a good despite any issues it my cause because this is our first look into the universe "post war".
But the book is far from perfect and her is where i will break it down.
----------------------------------


First off the book is a little hard to get into at first. People say that was an issue with cryptum but i feel that was due to it being a completely new vibe. This time i find it due to the writing style and the fact it jumps from perspectives far to frequently.

I agree here. In fact, almost all of Traviss' books are difficult to get into first because it's all set up. Its later when things start happening they get enjoyable.

We were assured that the book was not a direct sequel to GoO but to be completely honest it is. The book starts off sepratly but ends up with all the perspectives meeting up with ONI finding halsey and the spartans at the end of the book. Which is odd since we were told they get out early and the book wasn't about them.

Here is where i start listing issues.


1. ONI- "Post war" this sect of the government has far too much power and i feel is grossly misusing it. They plan to beef up humanity so they can wipe out the Sangheili which i find completely stupid and proving the Sangheili's paranoia correct.

I think that's the intention. I can't say anything for certain since I've yet to play Halo 4, but I believe this could be viewed as a comparison to the Forerunners, whose legacy we're supposed to take up and, if Born is anything to go by, improve on. Where the Forerunners were dictators who ruled other races with an iron (and arrogant) fist, the humans are equally as bad but for different reasons on account of different methods. This evokes a question: are we truly worthy of protecting all life in the universe? This is something that may be explored in Halo 4 or the next Glasslnds books (it may also end with ONI's destruction by an op backfiring on them, maybe even the Telcam OP, therefore representing humanity's lesson that the Forerunners learned only too late).

Not only that they seem to be completely neglecting the fact that humanity (though being in good shape post war) is far from capable of fighting a war even 50 years from now. Instead of Helping the UNSC and UEG pull humanity together ONI is more focused on harassing the elites which could come back to the humans if caught.
ONI is acting as a completely separate group from the UNSC and is comparable to cerberus of mass effect. The goals seem to be of a more personal interest rather than for the best of humanity. Examples being spending money on Mark 7, spartan 4s, and infinity; all of which i will cover later along with the halsey hate.



2. "Post-war"- The timeline is another issue for this novel, it occurs too soon. Most of us were expecting it to be atleast a year plus later but all of these events are taking place a total of 3 months after the war ended. The last date is the memorial scene at the end of halo 3, that is pretty much where the book stops at.

obviously i hope you can see the issue with that. Forerunner drives,spartan 4s, all within pretty much 2 months? That clearly means this was started during the war in which if we had a forerunner-human ship, Spartan 4s, AND, Mark 7; why the hell weren't they used? and why are they getting more use now?

There is then the direct contradiction with Thel going to Sangheilios after he arrives at Earth yet during the cinematic he speaks as if he hasn't been there yet. Karen really needs to learn the lore of what she is doing and stop writing blind.

3.Elites gonna Hate- The Elites have some issues Post war which are to be expected; they are the victims more so than humanity in many cases. But they aren't without ignorance and stupidity.
The main reason the elites hate humanity post war is because they are pissed that they couldn't wipe them out in 30 years. Calling our expansion an "infestation" to the galaxy despite the fact we "control" an extremely small portion.
It pretty much comes down to "If we could have exterminated you we wouldn't be in this mess right now" which i find extremely childish.
You would think since they had a good 2-3 eons before us in colonization that are few hundred worlds (if that) we had would be nothing to the amount they should have. Suck it up elites and stop being mad that we built our SugarHoneyIceTea from the ground up.

4. [The blame game[/b]- The novel also introduces another childish and stupid factor "lets pin the blame on the women that saved humanity", thats right everybody is trying to blame halsey for the spartan program issue is.

A)ONI funded it- you can't complain about what happened when you spent 20 years working on the project and even funded ANOTHER project that had worse ethics than the first. Sure "The S-II program was before the covenant war" but from a few hints it seems that ONI was aware of high charity just before the war. Watch this not become a coincidence. Oh did i mention the part where WE WON BECAUSE OF THAT PROGRAM?

B) Mendez your a wimp- Nearly the entire novel mendez is complaining about how he never supported the program and how effed up halsey is. Last time i checked he never asked to be reassigned nor did he refuse to help the S-III project that was worse in ethics than the second(will get to).
Mendez has no right whatsoever to try an pin halsey as if she did anything wrong; she served her race with pride and nobody should be punished for doing what the military asks them to do.

C) Big B1t(h Maggie- You want to know the true source of the Halsey hate? Maggie, why? "Because you didn't tell me you were using clones."

ARE YOU EFFEN SERIOUS???

How are you going to brag about how you knew every little thing she was doing when she though she was so sweet yet NOT know every little thing she was doing? Halsey used clones to atleast give the familys some kind of comfort; she retorted with " Atleast seeing their child die was better than thinking they got carried off and R@ped somewhere".

Is that not reasonable? Sure i can see what is wrong with it yet at the same time you can't say she didn't have a motherly impluse with that move. Mendez tried saying that the S-IIIs "volunteered". Analogy.

If somebody comes and wrecks the car you just spent 25,000 dollars on would you not be pissed an want to beat the hell out of them?

So how are you going to ask 4-6 year old kids "do you want to kill the people that killed you mom?" and consider that "volunteering"?

5. Gathering a pointless army- At a time where ships (especially with forerunner tech) are needed ONI feels like they should gather up a large and costful army.

ONI plans to "start" a spartan 4 program (despite the fact there have been spartan 4s) and make it open like the orion project. They also plan on issuing Mark 7 full of new expensive tech.

How are you going to talk about how colonies are lost,ships are few, and it is going to take decades to rebuild but spend trillions of dollars creating an army with no war? Not only that but it isn't even the cost and efficient thing to do.
Post war the army should be issued with updated SPI armor along with standard injections with ODST training. That alone would be far more useful than dozens of spartan projects.
Seeing how 1 suit of MARK FIVE cost an entire battle group I don't see how they are making these Mark 7 suits,funding a program AND making a new tech ship. Smells like ONI is taking all the FEMA money.

6. Egg before the chicken- The Ruins under swordbase were the only ruins the UNSC had access to for more than a few days. Even then they couldn't unlock it until reach fell. So how are they able to have forerunner drives under 2 months after the war and what forerunner tech have they been looking at to make a ship in the oort cloud?

04 was destroyed,onyx was destroyed (at the time),halowars shield world was destroyed,The ark was destroyed, 04 II was destroyed, and many of the other ruins the UNSC found were destroyed.

So if the UNSC blows up anything they touch what could they have found and studied for atleast a decade to create such a ship? ontop of that they did this WITHOUT halsey; who we have been told for the last 10 years is the leading expect on the forerunners yet it takes time for her to even understand the basics. So Halsey must not have been that good if somebody cracked the forerunner drives in a far shorter time than it took her to crack a "simple" jackal shield.

The only thing that could add up is if they found a shield world. but you would expect far more advanced weaponry if they did.


7. Engineer or not to?- According to Osman ONI only had 1 Engineer during the entire war even at that it was a few years ago. Which doesn't add up since Virgil was grabbed right before halo 3 and a group of them were caught in FS. So we are just as mangled with the engineers as we are with the spartans.

On top of that she said the Engineer made some interesting developments. It couldn't have been that interesting if it wasn't stated; she should have just said the damn thing unlocked the drives for humanity.
----------------------------------------------------


All in all i will NEVER tell anybody not to buy a halo book for whatever reason. Always buy the new books and stay updated in the lore, But Glasslands while it IS interesting i think it needs a different author.


[Edited on 10.28.2011 3:51 PM PDT]

  • 10.28.2011 3:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Spartan 100
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Huh?

  • 10.28.2011 4:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan 100
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Erm, I dont get it.



OT: I am currently reading Glasslands; once finished i'll read your in depth analysis.

  • 10.28.2011 4:12 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

My only true issue with it is the caricature Sangheili. Their reasons for despising Humanity are pretty weak in the face of everything that happened, in addition to what we already knew about them.

  • 10.28.2011 4:40 PM PDT

3 years and only 1 ban, try harder next time noobs.

I see ONI is being played up as the biggest power ever. I do not approve.

  • 10.28.2011 4:47 PM PDT


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obviously i hope you can see the issue with that. Forerunner drives,spartan 4s, all within pretty much 2 months? That clearly means this was started during the war in which if we had a forerunner-human ship, Spartan 4s, AND, Mark 7; why the hell weren't they used? and why are they getting more use now?

Because even now they're still in protyping stages, and are also still considered quite new. This one's not hard to figure out.

There is then the direct contradiction with Thel going to Sangheilios after he arrives at Earth yet during the cinematic he speaks as if he hasn't been there yet. Karen really needs to learn the lore of what she is doing and stop writing blind.

No, Rtas speaks as if he hasn't been there, the Arbiter never makes even a mention of Sanghelios except to confirm to Rtas that they have made it safe (which in fact could be evidence to support that he was there).

3.Elites gonna Hate- The Elites have some issues Post war which are to be expected; they are the victims more so than humanity in many cases. But they aren't without ignorance and stupidity.
The main reason the elites hate humanity post war is because they are pissed that they couldn't wipe them out in 30 years. Calling our expansion an "infestation" to the galaxy despite the fact we "control" an extremely small portion.
It pretty much comes down to "If we could have exterminated you we wouldn't be in this mess right now" which i find extremely childish.
You would think since they had a good 2-3 eons before us in colonization that are few hundred worlds (if that) we had would be nothing to the amount they should have. Suck it up elites and stop being mad that we built our SugarHoneyIceTea from the ground up.

The Elites are arrogant and highly prideful in their martial powers. And even still you completely misinterpreted why (only some) of the Elites still hate us. Jul (the only Elites with any power or prominance expressly stated to still want to wipe us out and has no goal but) makes a point in saying that he wants us dead because he fears our retaliation if we should recuporate, the exact same reason why ONI wants them in eternal strife. Not because of a childish revenge motive, but because of fear. Revenge is mentioned only every now and then as a reason to uphold honor; other then that, the anti-human Elites are fearful of us, and want to destroy us as a precaution.

4. [The blame game[/b]- The novel also introduces another childish and stupid factor "lets pin the blame on the women that saved humanity", thats right everybody is trying to blame halsey for the spartan program issue is.

A)ONI funded it- you can't complain about what happened when you spent 20 years working on the project and even funded ANOTHER project that had worse ethics than the first. Sure "The S-II program was before the covenant war" but from a few hints it seems that ONI was aware of high charity just before the war. Watch this not become a coincidence. Oh did i mention the part where WE WON BECAUSE OF THAT PROGRAM?

B) Mendez your a wimp- Nearly the entire novel mendez is complaining about how he never supported the program and how effed up halsey is. Last time i checked he never asked to be reassigned nor did he refuse to help the S-III project that was worse in ethics than the second(will get to).
Mendez has no right whatsoever to try an pin halsey as if she did anything wrong; she served her race with pride and nobody should be punished for doing what the military asks them to do.

C) Big B1t(h Maggie- You want to know the true source of the Halsey hate? Maggie, why? "Because you didn't tell me you were using clones."

Again, you are misinterpreting the book. Nobody is blaming the entire Spartan program on Halsey; even ONI understands they were just as equally immoral. It is simply because Halsey created the technology, the program itself, came up with pretty much all of the ideas, was responsible for the deaths or mutilations of half the candidates and to top it all off, was the only target more then half of the characters had to take shots at for almost the whole book.

And with Mendez, this is where I get the impression you skipped several chapters. Not once through out the entire book does he ever say he never supported the program. In fact, the entire reason he feels guilty is because he supported it, and even openly admits he did, but likens it to working in a sewer; he never registered the "smell" or the wrongness of it all until he stepped outside, or reflected upon his life.

And we've known forever that Parangosky is a spiteful -blam!- who has literally killed everyone who crossed her. You think Halsey is any different or unique? -blam!-, she got off easy; she's not even dead! The reason Parangosky wanted Halsey was because a massive dollar sign went towards the cloning program. Parangosky was not aware that such operations were being funded by her money, and even more pissed because the cloning was functionally pointless. It was only to serve Halsey's conscience, a notion Parangosky clearly is not familar with, nor willing to be familiar with. It was, in her mind, a massive waste of money that only served to destroy the lives of the clones' parents (and in Naomi's folks case, twice) since the clones were positively going to die young. Since Halsey crossed her, of all people, Parangosky, a person who arguably is obessively vengeful, the woman who will murder anyone who does anything that spites her, I'm stunned anyone has a problem with Parangosky's reaction.


(running low on characters again; deleted some things). You were talking about "how is that volunteering?"

Again, precisely the point, a point Halsey even makes. It may have escaped your notice, but humans have a tendancy to irrationally justify anything they do so the blame is not, or at least less so, pinned on them. You know, human nature.

Are you implying to me you expect all characters to act rationally? Sounds boring as hell to me.


5. Gathering a pointless army- At a time where ships (especially with forerunner tech) are needed ONI feels like they should gather up a large and costful army.

ONI plans to "start" a spartan 4 program (despite the fact there have been spartan 4s) and make it open like the orion project. They also plan on issuing Mark 7 full of new expensive tech.

There was never a Spartan 4 program, only a Spartan III generation 2 (and maybe 3, but I'm not sure). Where have you ever heard of a Spartan IV before?

Its also strongly implied to not be an army, but a significantly more effective industrial workforce by their usage; only called Spartans because they effectively are, what with the augmentations. They are attatched to the Infinity project, a project that is less focused on war and more focused on technology, and, more importantly, the construction of said technology.

You're also implying that you both A) understand the precise budget plan ONI has for the mk 7, and B) fully understand the oppurtunity cost of not creating the mk 7 compared to making it (ergo, you imply you know the whole story). As I said, the S4s could very easily be used as a manufactoring force on the Infinity, a much, much more effective one then anything the regular humans could do, especially with a more effective mk. 7.

Also implying that there is no feasible way the new tech they've been unlocking could possibly have miniaturized the cost required for a Mk. 7



6. Egg before the chicken- The Ruins under swordbase were the only ruins the UNSC had access to for more than a few days. Even then they couldn't unlock it until reach fell. So how are they able to have forerunner drives under 2 months after the war and what forerunner tech have they been looking at to make a ship in the oort cloud?

First off, you completely ignored Onyx and how we were studying it since before the 2500s. Second, you are again also implying you know the whole story and believe the only tech ONI could possibly have had access to were the ones in Sword Base, despite the fact we already know the Forerunners controlled the solar system. Perhaps whatever tech they used was in the Ort Cloud?

Its questions like these that define the existence of sequels, and if you'll remember, there are two follow ups in the works for Glasslands. This is less a complaint and more of a curious thought.





7. Engineer or not to?- According to Osman ONI only had 1 Engineer during the entire war even at that it was a few years ago. Which doesn't add up since Virgil was grabbed right before halo 3 and a group of them were caught in FS. So we are just as mangled with the engineers as we are with the spartans.

The ones in First Strike were killed with Admiral Whitcomb and his diversion. And I do not recall the "years ago" part. I actually thought she was talking about Virgil and never caught anything that suggested otherwise. I'll have to look again

On top of that she said the Engineer made some interesting developments. It couldn't have been that interesting if it wasn't stated; she should have just said the damn thing unlocked the drives for humanity.

Thats kind of implied what happened, yeah--writers expect readers to use their brain after all--and even if not, again: the point of sequels.
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Towards the last comment (deleted because of character limitations) how does the writer have anything to do with what was being checked with 343i? If it made sense to them, it sure as hell should work to you, since between the two parties, us and them, they know everything where as we know virtually nothing.

  • 10.28.2011 4:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Revenge is mentioned only every now and then as a reason to uphold honor;

Their honour demands vengeance against Humanity?

  • 10.28.2011 5:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Revenge is mentioned only every now and then as a reason to uphold honor;

Their honour demands vengeance against Humanity?

Or the acceptance of a race of creatures they thought were appropriately named, the Brutes, who they continue to hunt down by 2559 because of the decades of hostile tension that erupted into a civil war instead of a group of creatures, humanity, that they have shown to respect during the war?

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To rob

1. Not an elaborate or good enough answer. You would think they would have been used when Earth was attacked for a few months.

2. Governments aren't suppose to act out of fear; that is an emotion for the people. Fear is what caused the world to change in the fallout universe- that was Extreme paranoia-. so you are excusing the fact that ONI is pretty much wasting resources "preparing" for a war they are instigating?
I understand building up ships as military assets, but the Elites are in no condition to do any harm on even a news reporting scale to humanity.

3.Last time i checked Halsey just improved what Orion started, with government funding and support. You can not complain about terrorist when you helped them rebel.
No i read all of it. Mendez is constantly nagging halsey about the program despite the fact he was involved with it just as much as she was. I wasn't implying that he supported it but rather he acts as if halsey should get in more trouble than him.

The cloning had a moral purpose as was stated nearly ten years ago and now. IT was far better to let the parents think their child died rather then have them missing forever. I feel like make a separate topic for this.

4.It was clearly stated that Spartan 4s were stationed on infinity and the Maggie states that she is going to start a Spartan 4 program that is open like orion. And why the hell are you saying these "spartans" are engineers? They are SPARTANS hence the name and the reference to orion.


You are making no sense. you mean to tell me that a more advanced mark 7 suit isn't going to cost atleast as much as a mark 5 suit? if one mark 5 suit cost a battle group i am sure 1 mark 7 suit is going to be more expensive. And i understand that ONI shouldn't be spending so much damn money and causes trouble when humanity should be rebuilding and making ships.
Again, these are spartans not engineers.

5. I am completely aware that Onxy was never fully unlocked and large amounts of the planet was locked down. along with the fact the system was pretty much abandoned.



I love how you are talking about "brains" but you were the main one complaining about cryptum not being direct.

  • 10.28.2011 5:18 PM PDT

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I don't get why some people complain about Doctor Halsey's portrail as a vilain.
Okay, some characters portray her as a villain, so what?

  • 10.28.2011 6:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan 100
I don't get why some people complain about Doctor Halsey's portrail as a vilain.
Okay, some characters portray her as a villain, so what?


Because she really isn't one.

  • 10.28.2011 7:08 PM PDT


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Posted by: Spartan 100
I don't get why some people complain about Doctor Halsey's portrail as a vilain.
Okay, some characters portray her as a villain, so what?


Because she really isn't one.


We know she's not a villain, and the writers for all of Halo's fiction do, but that doesn't mean that every single character in the story will view her as a hero or totally ordinary person who was forced to make some very tough decisions to help preserve the human race. I echo Spartan's sentiment, so what? Every character's view of her is going to differ to many varying degrees, up 'til now everyone we've seen, with the exception of a very few, have viewed Halsey with apathy at worst, now we're getting to see the other side of the coin and get to meet more the people who hate her, what's so bad about that?

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I don't get why some people complain about Doctor Halsey's portrail as a vilain.
Okay, some characters portray her as a villain, so what?


Because she really isn't one.
And the fact it is being over done and over dramatic.

I honestly have not one ounce of hate or bitterness for halsey and she isn't even one of my favorite characters. Its just something that didn't need to be added; especially if spartan programs aren't stopping despite how "bad" they are.

I like how Halsey is bad for everything "she did" yet ackerson's version was worse and he was going to do another one with halsey working under him. How is Halsey getting B**ched at about the S-II program when the S-III program were suicide solders normally under 12?

It all comes down to maggie hating halsey because of one little thing so she is being a dusty b**** for no reason. Ackerson should be getting the post death hate.

  • 10.28.2011 7:19 PM PDT

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We know she's not a villain, and the writers for all of Halo's fiction do, but that doesn't mean that every single character in the story will view her as a hero or totally ordinary person who was forced to make some very tough decisions to help preserve the human race. I echo Spartan's sentiment, so what? Every character's view of her is going to differ to many varying degrees, up 'til now everyone we've seen, with the exception of a very few, have viewed Halsey with apathy at worst, now we're getting to see the other side of the coin and get to meet more the people who hate her, what's so bad about that?


Because in Glasslands, it's played up far too much. Ackerson has, or was, a very vocal opponent of Halsey's and I would've preferred more criticisms like he had. Glasslands makes her out to be an alpha -blam!- to everyone. It's insulting. I mean, she's now being treated as a war criminal. Which war are we talking about? The one's ONI fully supported her on?


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I don't get why some people complain about Doctor Halsey's portrail as a vilain.
Okay, some characters portray her as a villain, so what?


Because she really isn't one.


There are double standards up the ass when it comes to Halsey's character.

First, she abducted a whole lot of children from their families, put them into harsh, cruel training, and injected them with steroids, in which half of them died.
But then, she's portrayed as a motherly-like, kind and caring figure. A protagonist?

I really don't think an insurrection before the Covenant even showed up really calls for all of that.

  • 10.28.2011 7:24 PM PDT

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I don't get why some people complain about Doctor Halsey's portrail as a vilain.
Okay, some characters portray her as a villain, so what?


Because she really isn't one.


There are double standards up the ass when it comes to Halsey's character.

First, she abducted a whole lot of children from their families, put them into harsh, cruel training, and injected them with steroids, in which half of them died.
But then, she's portrayed as a motherly-like, kind and caring figure. A protagonist?

I really don't think an insurrection before the Covenant even showed up really calls for all of that.


We can argue the cruelty of what Halsey AND ONI did, the fact remains that Halsey had second doubts and felt bad at what she did. More than what I can say for nearly anyone in ONI.

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I don't get why some people complain about Doctor Halsey's portrail as a vilain.
Okay, some characters portray her as a villain, so what?


Because she really isn't one.


There are double standards up the ass when it comes to Halsey's character.

First, she abducted a whole lot of children from their families, put them into harsh, cruel training, and injected them with steroids, in which half of them died.
But then, she's portrayed as a motherly-like, kind and caring figure. A protagonist?

I really don't think an insurrection before the Covenant even showed up really calls for all of that.


you really have no idea what you are talking about.

The genetics and tech was halseys area, mendez is who did the training and brutality.

As of now none of the Spartans actually died it was just a cover up. some were injured,fixed, and taken by ONI. Others were crippled indefinitely, and the rest were just taken by ONI.

Um the innes were EXTREME terrorist. They nuked a city, nuked buildings, bomb ships, hijack ships, smuggle,etc. It was about to be a full scale civil war if the project didn't go through.

I don't see why somebody can't do what is needed yet still try to maintain some sense of emotion. halsey was saying from day one she hopes they would understand and forgive her one day.

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I don't get why some people complain about Doctor Halsey's portrail as a vilain.
Okay, some characters portray her as a villain, so what?


Because she really isn't one.


There are double standards up the ass when it comes to Halsey's character.

First, she abducted a whole lot of children from their families, put them into harsh, cruel training, and injected them with steroids, in which half of them died.
But then, she's portrayed as a motherly-like, kind and caring figure. A protagonist?

I really don't think an insurrection before the Covenant even showed up really calls for all of that.


We can argue the cruelty of what Halsey AND ONI did, the fact remains that Halsey had second doubts and felt bad at what she did. More than what I can say for nearly anyone in ONI.


Super soldiers are not at all necessary for an insurrection.
It's a fluke.

  • 10.28.2011 7:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
Super soldiers are not at all necessary for an insurrection.
It's a fluke.


And insurrection that nuked cities. And hijacked entire ships.

  • 10.28.2011 7:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
I really don't think an insurrection before the Covenant even showed up really calls for all of that.


But it in fact was, it was stated several times that without drastic military action IE: Spartans, that there would be a planetary scale civil war.

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I don't get why some people complain about Doctor Halsey's portrail as a vilain.
Okay, some characters portray her as a villain, so what?[/quote]

Because she really isn't one.[/quote]

There are double standards up the ass when it comes to Halsey's character.

First, she abducted a whole lot of children from their families, put them into harsh, cruel training, and injected them with steroids, in which half of them died.
But then, she's portrayed as a motherly-like, kind and caring figure. A protagonist?

I really don't think an insurrection before the Covenant even showed up really calls for all of that. [/quote]

We can argue the cruelty of what Halsey AND ONI did, the fact remains that Halsey had second doubts and felt bad at what she did. More than what I can say for nearly anyone in ONI.[/quote]

Super soldiers are not at all necessary for an insurrection.
It's a fluke.


I swear i hope you never go to jail because your the type of guy that would just LET somebody touch you up.

So what are they suppose to do when cities,buildings, and ships are being nuked? when expensive military ships and assets are being stolen and the government is being infiltrated?

Just let it happen? try to "talk" to them?

  • 10.28.2011 7:35 PM PDT

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Okay so? What if she's portrayed like that? I still like her, plenty of people still like her.

Many times I have tried to tell my friends in discussions how she did some pretty bad stuff. Karen did it better in this book by FAR.

I still like her. Like, okay so what. It's only realistic.

Doctor Halsey is one of my favourite characters. She still is. I can't wait to see the next part.

  • 10.28.2011 7:38 PM PDT

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It was overkill to me. I understand fairness and balance, but when you portray the character negatively to prove your point, it takes the desired effect away from me.

  • 10.28.2011 7:41 PM PDT