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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
My problem with the Spartan 4's/Infinity already being there.

Why were neither used in the most dire battle of the entire war? Aka Earth.

Why did they not get deployed across the planet and aid it? The Infinity's forerunner tech could've turned the tide.


Yeah, it smacks of unnecessary power creep.

"Ohbytheway, we have a whole new crop of Spartans plus a Forerunner enhanced ship. Yep. It was under the Custodial budget line, no worries."

I don't like how they were just mentioned near the end of the book without being established or foreshadowed. That, combined with the ugly cliffhanger, make for very forced reasons to buy the next book.


They hint towards the infinity in the second chapter, but nothing more then "She'll soon learn what it is." style stuff.

Edit: Not to mention that they are both described as being out there for a good long time now. In a discussion elsewhere we commented that the Covenant should've detected the Infinity at the edge of the system first, destroyed it(if possible), then move toward Earth.

[Edited on 10.30.2011 12:09 PM PDT]

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My problem with the Spartan 4's/Infinity already being there.

Why were neither used in the most dire battle of the entire war? Aka Earth.

Why did they not get deployed across the planet and aid it? The Infinity's forerunner tech could've turned the tide.


Yeah, it smacks of unnecessary power creep.

"Ohbytheway, we have a whole new crop of Spartans plus a Forerunner enhanced ship. Yep. It was under the Custodial budget line, no worries."

I don't like how they were just mentioned near the end of the book without being established or foreshadowed. That, combined with the ugly cliffhanger, make for very forced reasons to buy the next book.


They hint towards the infinity in the second chapter, but nothing more then "She'll soon learn what it is." style stuff.


They name-dropped it. Which is even worse, because it made it seem as though Infinity would be relevant within this book, but it wasn't. We didn't even know what it was until the closing chapters. We don't know the motivations behind it, its construction, why it was kept a secret until now and why it would be important going forward.

We have eyes and ears to the inner workings of ONI at its highest level through Osman, and the only revelation we get are schematics of a ship with no story attached to it?

That's terrible. Why are we supposed to care about it? We have almost nothing to go on. A big ship with Forerunner accouterments. How plain.

Also, is it just me or have we been able to make pinpoint jumps since Cortana got access to AJ? Why was Halsey making such a big deal about it?

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  • 10.30.2011 12:13 PM PDT

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So I guess we are fighting Elites in Halo 4.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
a discussion elsewhere we commented that the Covenant should've detected the Infinity at the edge of the system first, destroyed it(if possible), then move toward Earth.
If it uses Forerunner tech, then I think it's a safe assumption that it at least has top tier human tech also.

It's been suggested that The Covenant cannot detect the UNSC's Prowler-class ships. Not to mention, we have no idea how either faction's radar/detection technology works. Infinity could be located above/below the solar plane, etc.

That being said, I remember Parangosky mentioning that Infinity is somewhere in the Oort Cloud, which is spherical. In short, that's an unbelievable amount of space to cover.

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Posted by: MGTrey
They name-dropped it. Which is even worse, because it made it seem as though Infinity would be relevant within this book, but it wasn't.
It's so you buy the next book.

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So I guess we are fighting Elites in Halo 4.


I sure hope not, because honestly they would be -blam!- enemies.

  • 10.30.2011 12:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
My problem with the Spartan 4's/Infinity already being there.

Why were neither used in the most dire battle of the entire war? Aka Earth.

Why did they not get deployed across the planet and aid it? The Infinity's forerunner tech could've turned the tide.


Is the Infinity even battle ready, or was it at the time of the Battle of Earth? That's a more important question, not going to do much good at all if it's not in any operational condition for fighting.

How do we know that Spartan IVs weren't used? And when did the program even start? You need more concrete details and answers to these types of questions before going around and stating where these sorts of things should or should not have been. And from what I've heard it doesn't sound like we have the answers to my questions yet.

  • 10.30.2011 12:49 PM PDT

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They name-dropped it. Which is even worse, because it made it seem as though Infinity would be relevant within this book, but it wasn't.
It's so you buy the next book.


And I frown upon tactics like that because the story and intrigue suffers. Glasslands could have been so much better than it was, while still saving revelations for the upcoming book(s).

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I admit that I've been pretty abrasive and dickish in this thread thus far, but only because I see the internet equivalent of people plugging their ears and yelling "LALALALALALA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU," when I try to refute certain points.

I'm not even referring to the morality stuff here, just the explanations for S-IV, Infinity, and why ONI is doing what it's doing.

When I get some time later (I'm at work at the moment), I'll repost my points with proof right out of the book, page numbers and everything. Explanations to some of the gripes you lot have are sitting there right in front of your face.

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Posted by: Primo84
I admit that I've been pretty abrasive and dickish in this thread thus far, but only because I see the internet equivalent of people plugging their ears and yelling "LALALALALALA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU," when I try to refute certain points.

I'm not even referring to the morality stuff here, just the explanations for S-IV, Infinity, and why ONI is doing what it's doing.

When I get some time later (I'm at work at the moment), I'll repost my points with proof right out of the book, page numbers and everything. Explanations to some of the gripes you lot have are sitting there right in front of your face.


You've only rebutted my point with, "to make you want the next book." I welcome any real answer you come up with.

  • 10.30.2011 1:40 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
obviously if you don't want "spoilers" then don't read this. I would also like to formally state that i had been looking forward to glasslands for months, thus the "you hated it from the start" will not apply here. Especally since i haven't been too active on Bungie


Halo:Glasslands is indeed a good despite any issues it my cause because this is our first look into the universe "post war".
But the book is far from perfect and her is where i will break it down.
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First off the book is a little hard to get into at first. People say that was an issue with cryptum but i feel that was due to it being a completely new vibe. This time i find it due to the writing style and the fact it jumps from perspectives far to frequently.
We were assured that the book was not a direct sequel to GoO but to be completely honest it is. The book starts off sepratly but ends up with all the perspectives meeting up with ONI finding halsey and the spartans at the end of the book. Which is odd since we were told they get out early and the book wasn't about them.

Here is where i start listing issues.


1. ONI- "Post war" this sect of the government has far too much power and i feel is grossly misusing it. They plan to beef up humanity so they can wipe out the Sangheili which i find completely stupid and proving the Sangheili's paranoia correct.
Not only that they seem to be completely neglecting the fact that humanity though being in good shape post war) is far from capable of fighting a war even 50 years from now. Instead of Helping the UNSC and UEG pull humanity together ONI is more focused on harassing the elites which could come back to the humans if caught.
ONI is acting as a completely separate group from the UNSC and is comparable to cerberus of mass effect. The goals seem to be of a more personal interest rather than for the best of humanity. Examples being spending money on Mark 7, spartan 4s, and infinity; all of which i will cover later along with the halsey hate.


2. "Post-war"- The timeline is another issue for this novel, it occurs too soon. Most of us were expecting it to be atleast a year plus later but all of these events are taking place a total of 3 months after the war ended. The last date is the memorial scene at the end of halo 3, that is pretty much where the book stops at.

obviously i hope you can see the issue with that. Forerunner drives,spartan 4s, all within pretty much 2 months? That clearly means this was started during the war in which if we had a forerunner-human ship, Spartan 4s, AND, Mark 7; why the hell weren't they used? and why are they getting more use now?

There is then the direct contradiction with Thel going to Sangheilios after he arrives at Earth yet during the cinematic he speaks as if he hasn't been there yet. Karen really needs to learn the lore of what she is doing and stop writing blind.

3.Elites gonna Hate- The Elites have some issues Post war which are to be expected; they are the victims more so than humanity in many cases. But they aren't without ignorance and stupidity.
The main reason the elites hate humanity post war is because they are pissed that they couldn't wipe them out in 30 years. Calling our expansion an "infestation" to the galaxy despite the fact we "control" an extremely small portion.
It pretty much comes down to "If we could have exterminated you we wouldn't be in this mess right now" which i find extremely childish.
You would think since they had a good 2-3 eons before us in colonization that are few hundred worlds (if that) we had would be nothing to the amount they should have. Suck it up elites and stop being mad that we built our SugarHoneyIceTea from the ground up.

4. [The blame game[/b]- The novel also introduces another childish and stupid factor "lets pin the blame on the women that saved humanity", thats right everybody is trying to blame halsey for the spartan program issue is.

A)ONI funded it- you can't complain about what happened when you spent 20 years working on the project and even funded ANOTHER project that had worse ethics than the first. Sure "The S-II program was before the covenant war" but from a few hints it seems that ONI was aware of high charity just before the war. Watch this not become a coincidence. Oh did i mention the part where WE WON BECAUSE OF THAT PROGRAM?

B) Mendez your a wimp- Nearly the entire novel mendez is complaining about how he never supported the program and how effed up halsey is. Last time i checked he never asked to be reassigned nor did he refuse to help the S-III project that was worse in ethics than the second(will get to).
Mendez has no right whatsoever to try an pin halsey as if she did anything wrong; she served her race with pride and nobody should be punished for doing what the military asks them to do.

C) Big B1t(h Maggie- You want to know the true source of the Halsey hate? Maggie, why? "Because you didn't tell me you were using clones."

ARE YOU EFFEN SERIOUS???

How are you going to brag about how you knew every little thing she was doing when she though she was so sweet yet NOT know every little thing she was doing? Halsey used clones to atleast give the familys some kind of comfort; she retorted with " Atleast seeing their child die was better than thinking they got carried off and R@ped somewhere".

Is that not reasonable? Sure i can see what is wrong with it yet at the same time you can't say she didn't have a motherly impluse with that move. Mendez tried saying that the S-IIIs "volunteered". Analogy.

If somebody comes and wrecks the car you just spent 25,000 dollars on would you not be pissed an want to beat the hell out of them?

So how are you going to ask 4-6 year old kids "do you want to kill the people that killed you mom?" and consider that "volunteering"?

5. Gathering a pointless army- At a time where ships (especially with forerunner tech) are needed ONI feels like they should gather up a large and costful army.

ONI plans to "start" a spartan 4 program (despite the fact there have been spartan 4s) and make it open like the orion project. They also plan on issuing Mark 7 full of new expensive tech.

How are you going to talk about how colonies are lost,ships are few, and it is going to take decades to rebuild but spend trillions of dollars creating an army with no war? Not only that but it isn't even the cost and efficient thing to do.
Post war the army should be issued with updated SPI armor along with standard injections with ODST training. That alone would be far more useful than dozens of spartan projects.
Seeing how 1 suit of MARK FIVE cost an entire battle group I don't see how they are making these Mark 7 suits,funding a program AND making a new tech ship. Smells like ONI is taking all the FEMA money.

6. Egg before the chicken- The Ruins under swordbase were the only ruins the UNSC had access to for more than a few days. Even then they couldn't unlock it until reach fell. So how are they able to have forerunner drives under 2 months after the war and what forerunner tech have they been looking at to make a ship in the oort cloud?

04 was destroyed,onyx was destroyed (at the time),halowars shield world was destroyed,The ark was destroyed, 04 II was destroyed, and many of the other ruins the UNSC found were destroyed.

So if the UNSC blows up anything they touch what could they have found and studied for atleast a decade to create such a ship? ontop of that they did this WITHOUT halsey; who we have been told for the last 10 years is the leading expect on the forerunners yet it takes time for her to even understand the basics. So Halsey must not have been that good if somebody cracked the forerunner drives in a far shorter time than it took her to crack a "simple" jackal shield.

The only thing that could add up is if they found a shield world. but you would expect far more advanced weaponry if they did.


7. Engineer or not to?- According to Osman ONI only had 1 Engineer during the entire war even at that it was a few years ago. Which doesn't add up since Virgil was grabbed right before halo 3 and a group of them were caught in FS. So we are just as mangled with the engineers as we are with the spartans.

On top of that she said the Engineer made some interesting developments. It couldn't have been that interesting if it wasn't stated; she should have just said the damn thing unlocked the drives for humanity.
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All in all i will NEVER tell anybody not to buy a halo book for whatever reason. Always buy the new books and stay updated in the lore, But Glasslands while it IS interesting i think it needs a different author.


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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Are augmentations even good enough to be used on adults? That;s the reason Orion wasn't a rousing success.

Remember, Ackerson said that the augments for the IIIs could one day be applied to the general populace. Additionally, because they were planning to train Delta company, there would obviously have been ongoing research in the augmentations. It is likely that they came across a breakthrough during the Delta company research phase that realized Ackerson's dreams for his program. ONI are not likely to spend money on something that they know does not work. Even Halsey's program got funds diverted away from it because it had a deplorable success rate, despite how effective the II's were on an individual level. They have probably found the breakthrough that the original Orion needed.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
My problem with the Spartan 4's/Infinity already being there.

Why were neither used in the most dire battle of the entire war? Aka Earth.

Why did they not get deployed across the planet and aid it? The Infinity's forerunner tech could've turned the tide.


Is the Infinity even battle ready, or was it at the time of the Battle of Earth? That's a more important question, not going to do much good at all if it's not in any operational condition for fighting.

How do we know that Spartan IVs weren't used? And when did the program even start? You need more concrete details and answers to these types of questions before going around and stating where these sorts of things should or should not have been. And from what I've heard it doesn't sound like we have the answers to my questions yet.


As Hood states, the Spartan IV project may be Osman's project rather than Parangosky's given its time frame. So that said, it's likely that the Spartan IV's are not even close to being at optimal readiness.

Hardly concrete stuff to determine its start point and end point (along with number of classes, size, etc) , but its rough contextual clue about the duration of time it could take to muster the ideal number of battle ready S-IVs.

And that in itself could vary. After all, the ideal number of S-IIIs to be fielded was to be in the thousands after multiple classes were completed, yet the first class was operational within 6 years of the program starting.

So there's certainly a lot of gray area to cover that can't be. The only likelihood present is merely that the project is long enough that (regardless of what stage it is currently in) would outlast Parangosky and eventually be overseen by Osman.

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Are augmentations even good enough to be used on adults? That;s the reason Orion wasn't a rousing success.

Remember, Ackerson said that the augments for the IIIs could one day be applied to the general populace. Additionally, because they were planning to train Delta company, there would obviously have been ongoing research in the augmentations. It is likely that they came across a breakthrough during the Delta company research phase that realized Ackerson's dreams for his program. ONI are not likely to spend money on something that they know does not work. Even Halsey's program got funds diverted away from it because it had a deplorable success rate, despite how effective the II's were on an individual level. They have probably found the breakthrough that the original Orion needed.


I do remember that, but they were still using it on pre-pubescent kids. Perhaps within 3 months they cracked the code, but I don't know.

  • 10.30.2011 1:54 PM PDT

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From all of this talk it seems to me that Glasslands messes with the Halo storyline for no reason whatsoever. Its the Star Wars Expanded Universe all over again.

Why do these authors keep trying to inject their own style/contributions into the franchise and just make it worse? You'd think they'd tread more carefully.

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From all of this talk it seems to me that Glasslands messes with the Halo storyline for no reason whatsoever. Its the Star Wars Expanded Universe all over again.

Why do these authors keep trying to inject their own style/contributions into the franchise and just make it worse? You'd think they'd tread more carefully.

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I haven't got around to buying the book yet, but from what I have read it sounds that Traviss really took this story in the wrong direction.
Don't be a sheep.

Honestly, most of the negative stuff I've seen is from people who would rather read some half-assed novelization of a Michael Bay movie than a legitimate story. The story is fine, and I think Karen Traviss handled it as well as any other author of a Halo novel we've seen. (Including Nylund)

Kids.


I would love for you to list out who those people are because last time i checked this was the First novel i had any issues with. Not to mention there are also 2 other books written by 2 other authors that are not action driven that were praised by me and others alike. We even asked for more books that gave more backstory than action. In Halo:Evolutions out of 14 short storys only 3 of them were truly action driven.


So your "argument" of it not being action driven being the reason is just as BS as the reasons your criticizing.

Not everybody is an Eric Nylund bag on the wagon. The Idea of ONI working completely by itself with no restraints isn't something to be praising.

And since morality (in which is completely subjective and circumstantial) is constantly being brought up; Who said that we never knew of the covenant before the spartan II project?
As far as i am aware that has always came from a UNSC stand point, yet in heels of a fuss an ONI operative somehow managed to get INSIDE high charity which is suppose to be impossible. And since Halsey Saw High charity Right before the war who is to say ONI DIDN'T have any type of intelligence on the covenant prior to them arriving?

For all we know a book could come out saying that somehow ONI was in contact with Kig-Yar that brought operatives into high charity for a price. Then this whole morality issue would be thrown out the window because ONI knew of or communicated with them prior to the war. In which you would then say the Spartan II program Was possibly made to counter the covenant's first hostile encounter.


Regardless of morals and Ethics I don't understand why anybody is siding with an agency that would lie just cause.

  • 10.31.2011 12:55 PM PDT

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Has anyone considered that the point of this story was to place a setting and that we should review the trilogy as a whole and not as individual books. Maybe this was done to get Halsey out of the way for more interesting things in the trilogy. Remember they have hinted things maybe so that Halo 4 would not be spoiled by this story and we would know too much. Maybe later on they will clarify it.

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Has anyone considered that the point of this story was to place a setting and that we should review the trilogy as a whole and not as individual books. Maybe this was done to get Halsey out of the way for more interesting things in the trilogy. Remember they have hinted things maybe so that Halo 4 would not be spoiled by this story and we would know too much. Maybe later on they will clarify it.


The Halsey hate isn't the Issue it is the reason halsey is hated.
Even then there are no stones when it comes to morality so even these "mature adults" are acting like children by trying to set their own personal views on it and being hypocrites.

The whole point of Halsey creating clones was to give the family's closure. That was the motive behind it and reasoning if it served as a dual purpose for helping halsey sleep at night then so be it. She was only doing what her government asked her to do and if she was such an iffy person she should have been supervised.


While the focus is all on Halsey had she not have cloned the kids everything would have been fine. Ackerson on the other had "asked" children from 4-6 to join the program as if they could even understand it and used them as suicide soldiers. He then used risky procedures such as forbidden drugs,mere babies as subjects,etc as the basis of his program in order to one up halsey yet he isn't a bad guy?
The whole point of him getting his own project is so that a pure ONI head could out do halsey and get better results. Ackerson tried to use little money as possibly yet get the best results at expensive to the S-IIIs; Yet that is ok because he "asked" 4 year old children to join the program?
And to drive the nail further he wanted his own personal army to jerk around yet you guys are judging halsey because she cloned the kids and got a clearer head from that?

Halsey did everything AND more to make sure that her spartans got the best care and had the best chance of surviving.She took the nonexistent time to get to know her spartans and even played games with them under the ruins of reach.

Ackerson didn't even bother to know his subjects because they weren't suppose to live only to show results. The only way you would get attention as an S-III is if you survived missions and how is that rewarded? by sending you on more dangerous missions until you die. And despite all these extra suits of Mark V around Ackerson wouldn't even issue damaged ones to help them out.


So if you are truly going to support the idea that halsey is the devil due to acting like a human because she cloned the kids then your morality is something to wonder about. Because Halsey clearly cared more for her subjects than ackerson ever did. You really have issues if you think this book is correct in slandering halsey when the only flaw is she cloned those children.
Ackerson did Far worse but since he did exactly what he was told that was fine for you and ONI. I am pretty damn sure if Vaz saw Ackersons full file he would understand everything. But like him all of you are focused on halseys "flaw" instead of seeing how this blends in.

  • 10.31.2011 1:46 PM PDT

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So the Human-Covenant war is barely over and the UNSC are calling for Halseys head? They honor Spartan-117 but they call shame on his creator? Anyone who has read the books knows that although Halsey is ruthless she has serious issues of regret over what she deemed necessary to create the Spartans, which ended up being the tipping factor in the war.

Sense. This makes none.

  • 10.31.2011 3:18 PM PDT

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So the Human-Covenant war is barely over and the UNSC are calling for Halseys head? They honor Spartan-117 but they call shame on his creator? Anyone who has read the books knows that although Halsey is ruthless she has serious issues of regret over what she deemed necessary to create the Spartans, which ended up being the tipping factor in the war.

Sense. This makes none.


What we think as readers is vastly different than what the fictional characters within that universe think and perceive. We know that deep down she beats herself up over every moral decision she makes because we can see inside her head, but on the outside she maintains a cold personality to everyone outside of Keyes, her AIs, and her Spartans. Those cold calculating actions on paper as well as her demeanor to others are what the characters who have never known her before are dealing with.

And no, the UNSC is not calling out for Halsey's head. To the world and the UNSC she is a hero for now (until/unless the entire story of the Spartan II project is made public). It's only Parangosky who wants Halsey's head, and even then it's not for the Spartan II project as a whole. It's specifically only because Halsey decided to go outside the parameters of the project, and make the child clones behind everyone's back. Said clones were considered to be a liability and unnecessary risk. The argument turns out to some weight to it as one of the Spartan's father went Indie after suspecting that something was amiss with his clone child suddenly getting sick then subsequently ignored by the government.

  • 10.31.2011 4:10 PM PDT

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I just find it unlikely that arresting Halsey is of paramount importance, especially in the context of the UNSC at the end of Halo 3; absolutely wrecked. Sending such a bespoke high value team after someone like Halsey, who is no threat to the UNSC whatsoever and only thinks for the cause of humanitys survival, sounds bizarre to me. Surely there are better more important issues to tackle, you know... priority things.

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Posted by: flamedude
I just find it unlikely that arresting Halsey is of paramount importance, especially in the context of the UNSC at the end of Halo 3; absolutely wrecked. Sending such a bespoke high value team after someone like Halsey, who is no threat to the UNSC whatsoever and only thinks for the cause of humanitys survival, sounds bizarre to me. Surely there are better more important issues to tackle, you know... priority things.


It isn't a priority of the UNSC. This is a personal vendetta solely between Parangosky and Halsey. To the UNSC and public at large, Halsey is dead. Parangosky has detained Halsey and plans on putting her to work on any project she wants her on. This time on a far more shorter leash so that Halsey won't get creative and pull another stunt like the clones with the SII project.

No organization as a whole wants her head.

[Edited on 10.31.2011 10:50 PM PDT]

  • 10.31.2011 10:47 PM PDT


Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Said clones were considered to be a liability and unnecessary risk.


And said clones prevented lots of investigations into missing children that could expose ONI.

edit: "pull a stunt like the clones for S2"

That's just retarded. It wasn't a stunt, it was to allow the families to move on, prevent investigations that could expose ONI, and with a SIDE benefit of aiding her guilt.

Overall, to ONI, it helped, not harm. Oh, and I think the ONE parent suspecting something was up would be far easier then 75 different parents asking where their child went, and having the investigations stopped cold.

Edit2: If the old head of ONI does release all this 'morally awful' information to the admiral board near her deathbed... That means hopefully ONI will return and being a semi-legit organizations that HAS to answer to HIGHCOM and is limited. Because they'd see all this stuff that happened that they never knew the details of, and ONI is supposed to answer to HIGHCOM already. So hopefully they'll force all the other stuff into the 'open' (at least to them), then start monitoring/dealing with their actions currently. Hell, I'd laugh if Osman got kicked out because she was placed their by Maggie, instead of voted in.

Course, that's fools hope cause even with that knowledge being released, ONI will continue to be a blatant cerberus rip-off now (To me it only became this way in glasslands), with no actually answering to HIGHCOM and basically unlimited resources and acting as it's own government.

[Edited on 10.31.2011 11:59 PM PDT]

  • 10.31.2011 11:38 PM PDT