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Prime08 may have got it right and hit the nail. You should write topic and make this the OP.

  • 10.29.2011 9:09 AM PDT

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Prime08 may have got it right and hit the nail. You should write topic and make this the OP.
I actually started to last night, but I ended up writing more of a plot summary with little tidbits of opinion thrown in than a legitimate review.

So I scrapped it.

  • 10.29.2011 9:11 AM PDT

I haven't got around to buying the book yet, but from what I have read it sounds that Traviss really took this story in the wrong direction.

  • 10.29.2011 9:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: antony X1000
I haven't got around to buying the book yet, but from what I have read it sounds that Traviss really took this story in the wrong direction.
Don't be a sheep.

Honestly, most of the negative stuff I've seen is from people who would rather read some half-assed novelization of a Michael Bay movie than a legitimate story. The story is fine, and I think Karen Traviss handled it as well as any other author of a Halo novel we've seen. (Including Nylund)

Kids.

  • 10.29.2011 9:52 AM PDT

No u


Posted by: Primo84
Posted by: antony X1000
I haven't got around to buying the book yet, but from what I have read it sounds that Traviss really took this story in the wrong direction.
Don't be a sheep.

Honestly, most of the negative stuff I've seen is from people who would rather read some half-assed novelization of a Michael Bay movie than a legitimate story. The story is fine, and I think Karen Traviss handled it as well as any other author of a Halo novel we've seen. (Including Nylund)

Kids.
This. Though I dispute your Nylund comment. Nylund is the best author Halo has had in my opinion. I really think it should have been him writing this story. Though I did appreciate the storyline and I believe it fit in canonically. Though it is open for dispute.

  • 10.29.2011 9:55 AM PDT


Posted by: Primo84
Posted by: antony X1000
I haven't got around to buying the book yet, but from what I have read it sounds that Traviss really took this story in the wrong direction.
Don't be a sheep.

Honestly, most of the negative stuff I've seen is from people who would rather read some half-assed novelization of a Michael Bay movie than a legitimate story. The story is fine, and I think Karen Traviss handled it as well as any other author of a Halo novel we've seen. (Including Nylund)

Kids.
How am I being a sheep?

At no point did I say I wasn't going to buy the book and read it myself, just that what I am generally seeing is that the story seems to be disliked.

  • 10.29.2011 9:58 AM PDT

No u


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Posted by: antony X1000
I haven't got around to buying the book yet, but from what I have read it sounds that Traviss really took this story in the wrong direction.
Don't be a sheep.

Honestly, most of the negative stuff I've seen is from people who would rather read some half-assed novelization of a Michael Bay movie than a legitimate story. The story is fine, and I think Karen Traviss handled it as well as any other author of a Halo novel we've seen. (Including Nylund)

Kids.
How am I being a sheep?

At no point did I say I wasn't going to buy the book and read it myself, just that what I am generally seeing is that the story seems to be disliked.
A couple of people on the internet have disputed it. I saw no real problems. Plus the majority of people actually liked the book.

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This. Though I dispute your Nylund comment. Nylund is the best author Halo has had in my opinion. I really think it should have been him writing this story. Though I did appreciate the storyline and I believe it fit in canonically. Though it is open for dispute.
I feel like Nylund frames an overall decent story, but struggles developing characters. His dialogue in my opinion, is terrible, and it makes for some pretty wooden characters.

  • 10.29.2011 10:13 AM PDT

No u


Posted by: Primo84
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This. Though I dispute your Nylund comment. Nylund is the best author Halo has had in my opinion. I really think it should have been him writing this story. Though I did appreciate the storyline and I believe it fit in canonically. Though it is open for dispute.
I feel like Nylund frames an overall decent story, but struggles developing characters. His dialogue in my opinion, is terrible, and it makes for some pretty wooden characters.
Though I agree that he is not the best at fleshing out his characters the dialogue is not that bad. He has a great discriptive nature to his books though.

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This. Though I dispute your Nylund comment. Nylund is the best author Halo has had in my opinion. I really think it should have been him writing this story. Though I did appreciate the storyline and I believe it fit in canonically. Though it is open for dispute.
I feel like Nylund frames an overall decent story, but struggles developing characters. His dialogue in my opinion, is terrible, and it makes for some pretty wooden characters.
Though I agree that he is not the best at fleshing out his characters the dialogue is not that bad. He has a great discriptive nature to his books though.
Yeah, he tends to go above and beyond with the techno-babble. I felt like Traviss did great, although she overdid a few aspects of the story, such as the amount of times Halsey and Mendez went at it in front of the Spartans.

Seems like one of those things that should have been left festering until one massive blowout.

Some kind of middle ground between Nylund and Traviss' writing styles would be ideal.

  • 10.29.2011 10:21 AM PDT

No u


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Posted by: Doctor Jensen
This. Though I dispute your Nylund comment. Nylund is the best author Halo has had in my opinion. I really think it should have been him writing this story. Though I did appreciate the storyline and I believe it fit in canonically. Though it is open for dispute.
I feel like Nylund frames an overall decent story, but struggles developing characters. His dialogue in my opinion, is terrible, and it makes for some pretty wooden characters.
Though I agree that he is not the best at fleshing out his characters the dialogue is not that bad. He has a great discriptive nature to his books though.
Yeah, he tends to go above and beyond with the techno-babble. I felt like Traviss did great, although she overdid a few aspects of the story, such as the amount of times Halsey and Mendez went at it in front of the Spartans.

Seems like one of those things that should have been left festering until one massive blowout.

Some kind of middle ground between Nylund and Traviss' writing styles would be ideal.
Oh no doubt. I appreciate both of their writing and think they're great authors but they're TOO different. Such differences create discrepancies in Ghosts of Onyx and Glasslands. Small discrepancies but nevertheless.

  • 10.29.2011 10:37 AM PDT


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Posted by: antony X1000
I haven't got around to buying the book yet, but from what I have read it sounds that Traviss really took this story in the wrong direction.
Don't be a sheep.

Honestly, most of the negative stuff I've seen is from people who would rather read some half-assed novelization of a Michael Bay movie than a legitimate story. The story is fine, and I think Karen Traviss handled it as well as any other author of a Halo novel we've seen. (Including Nylund)

Kids.


Come on.
Don't make yourself look stupid by saying stuff like that. It's just insulting to say everybody who has problems with Traviss' way of writing and her portrayal of characters is a sheep who follows others. Insinuating we want a 0-depth Bay-style book is pretty stupid as well. People who dislike Travis generally did like books like Cryptum, FoR and GoO (which also aren't Bay-style but hit the middle ground between action and dialogue).

And then closing off with "kids"?
Come on man...

Thats like me saying "oh so you dislike the previous great Halo novels, insinuate Nylund writes subpar-Bay stuff (with this post at least), and consider yourself above us all because you like something the majority doesn't like....oh and you're real mature because of that".

You like it, a lot of people don't. For very legitimate reasons explained in the other big Glasslands topic.
I know you like the book and try to defend it where and when you can here, but don't go dealing weak punches like this quote man.

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  • 10.29.2011 11:48 AM PDT
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As a personal response, I only want to state that 343Industries ultimately SUCK BIG TIME in creating 'conflict' for their games/stories ETC.....

Not to mention that it is their FIRST game. I think Bungie should've had at least a couple of their employees AND Eric Nylund give a helping hand in the making of Halo4....and Grassland, too, because of what I heard I'm definitly NOT BUYING the book and just stay in a standstill where masterchief was last seen ;]


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Posted by: Primo84
Posted by: antony X1000
I haven't got around to buying the book yet, but from what I have read it sounds that Traviss really took this story in the wrong direction.
Don't be a sheep.

Honestly, most of the negative stuff I've seen is from people who would rather read some half-assed novelization of a Michael Bay movie than a legitimate story. The story is fine, and I think Karen Traviss handled it as well as any other author of a Halo novel we've seen. (Including Nylund)

Kids.


Come on.
Don't make yourself look stupid by saying stuff like that. It's just insulting to say everybody who has problems with Traviss' way of writing and her portrayal of characters is a sheep who follows others. Insinuating we want a 0-depth Bay-style book is pretty stupid as well. People who dislike Travis generally did like books like Cryptum, FoR and GoO (which also aren't Bay-style but hit the middle ground between action and dialogue).

And then closing off with "kids"?
Come on man...

Thats like me saying "oh so you dislike the previous great Halo novels, insinuate Nylund writes subpar-Bay stuff (with this post at least), and consider yourself above us all because you like something the majority doesn't like....oh and you're real mature because of that".

You like it, a lot of people don't. For very legitimate reasons explained in the other big Glasslands topic.
I know you like the book and try to defend it where and when you can here, but don't go dealing weak punches like this quote man.


Can that actually be backed up at this time? So far both here and in the Waypoint forums I see the same 10 or so people discussing their dislike of the novel back and forth with others in multiple threads. Others showing their dislike are people who take that opinion without reading the book, then decide to not try reading it at all.

Vocal, sure. But it hardly constitutes any majority. Certainly nowhere near the amount of unique people involved in voicing their dislike of Halo:Reach based off of actually playing it.

  • 10.29.2011 12:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: DonVinzone1Oh, don't give me that crap.

I've seen maybe two or three people elaborate on why they don't like Glasslands, and then a bunch of people who openly admit they haven't read the book blindly agreeing with them.

The flaws I see people pointing out are completely fine if they actually attempt to wrap their heads around it.

They're the same people who were uneasy about Cryptum when it came out. People around here get one whiff of something remotely different and they run for the hills.

  • 10.29.2011 1:40 PM PDT

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They're the same people who were uneasy about Cryptum when it came out. People around here get one whiff of something remotely different and they run for the hills.


Oh look, another baseless assumption. I enjoyed Cryptum despite all the things it brought up. I didn't like Glasslands because of the things it brought up and changed. I've explained why in numerous threads. But instead of asking people why they don't like certain things, they are just automatically wrong and crybabies eh?

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  • 10.29.2011 3:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: DonVinzone1Oh, don't give me that crap.

I've seen maybe two or three people elaborate on why they don't like Glasslands, and then a bunch of people who openly admit they haven't read the book blindly agreeing with them.

The flaws I see people pointing out are completely fine if they actually attempt to wrap their heads around it.

They're the same people who were uneasy about Cryptum when it came out. People around here get one whiff of something remotely different and they run for the hills.

I will admit, I have not read the book. My complaints are not directed at the writing style, however ( I read another one of Karen's books and thought it was good, and Traviss wrote GoW 3, which I am enjoying immensely). My complaints are directed squarely at the canon side of things, such as the Spartan 4s and UNSC unlocking Forerunner Tech so quickly. I intend to read the book, but until then I am only going to talk about the canon side of things. And for the record, I thought Cryptum was good.

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They're the same people who were uneasy about Cryptum when it came out. People around here get one whiff of something remotely different and they run for the hills.


Oh look, another baseless assumption. I enjoyed Cryptum despite all the things it brought up. I didn't like Glasslands because of the things it brought up and changed. I've explained why in numerous threads. But instead of asking people why they don't like certain things, they are just automatically wrong and crybabies eh?
What changed?

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ONI: Halsey is bad! Bad bad bad! You're so bad Halsey because you abducted children without their consent and turned them into soldiers that saved Humanity! Bad Halsey.

That's the main message I got from the novel. The ends justified the means in regards to the Spartan program, but that point wasn't made once during the whole novel in Halsey's defence.

I don't get why everyone was angry at Halsey. I mean, Mendez trained not only the SIIs but also three companies of SIIIs - 99% of who died while on suicide missions sanctioned by ONI themselves.

That bit really irritated me. I don't see Halsey as the bad person at all, but I feel Traviss was trying to cram that down my throat.

  • 10.29.2011 11:04 PM PDT


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ONI: Halsey is bad! Bad bad bad! You're so bad Halsey because you abducted children without their consent and turned them into soldiers that saved Humanity! Bad Halsey.

That's the main message I got from the novel. The ends justified the means in regards to the Spartan program, but that point wasn't made once during the whole novel in Halsey's defence.

I don't get why everyone was angry at Halsey. I mean, Mendez trained not only the SIIs but also three companies of SIIIs - 99% of who died while on suicide missions sanctioned by ONI themselves.

That bit really irritated me. I don't see Halsey as the bad person at all, but I feel Traviss was trying to cram that down my throat.


Yeah, Mendez suddenly thinks his involvement is wrong with the Spartans, after four separate groups trained and sent off? If this was let's say, between Spartan II's and alpha company, that'd make sense. Right now? Seems forced. Especially as others have said, he almost treated training Spartans are a privilege.

Then the fact that Halsey replacing the children with clones actually -blam!- saved ONI a headache. If she didn't do that, there would be investigations into the disappearances by people hired from the families. Possibly could expose ONI, or cause more questioning if said investigations are stopped cold/investigators are silenced.

So the fact Maggie hates Halsey for that reason shows she isn't as smart as she boasts :/.

  • 10.29.2011 11:15 PM PDT

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I view the "Halsey hate" more as a personal thing on Parangosky's part. She then manipulated Serin into hating Halsey as well and then Serin manipulated Naomi and Vaz into hating Halsey as well. And then there's Mendez who hated himself for going along with Halsey.

It took more of an important role in the novel than I think was necessary, but I don't think any of it was unwarranted. I just got the feeling from the start that Parangosky was just manipulating Serin and Serin was manipulating her crew. Typical ONI stuff. Why Parangosky hated Halsey for using clones so much is beyond me, but I guess that's just where she draws her line of morality.

As for the writing style, it was hard to get into at first, but I was definitely into it by the end. It was just a different writing style. I would have appreciated more physical descriptions of characters, however.

As for the Spartan 4 stuff, I think it makes more sense that Spartan 4s already exist. I don't understand why they refer to the program as not having started yet when there's already Spartan 4s on Infinity, but it makes more sense to me that they started the Spartan 4 project before the war ended because they thought it was still necessary. Now that the war's over and the process isn't illegal, they can keep using it. And as for the Mark VII armor, I have no idea what that's about. I'm guessing it's a cheap excuse for the new armor we'll probably see in Halo 4-6 but I can't think of how the cost for it could possibly be justified.

My first point of criticism is the bonding between the crew. By the end it seemed very unnatural and almost forced that they had just magically become a family. Traviss was doing a fine job of it at the beginning, with how they were each getting to know each other a little better. Towards the end it just seemed like she pulled a cop-out on it and was like "Oh yeah, over the last few weeks they've become family now and everything's perfect...".

My second point of criticism was not telling the story from the Spartan's perspective enough. The stuff with Lucy was good, but I expected to see more of Fred, Linda, Kelly and Tom (and even Naomi since she had a pretty central role as well). Instead, the story was told almost exclusively from Mendez's, Halsey's and Lucy's perspective (and from Mal's and Vaz's instead of Naomi's). I think Linda speaks only even once or twice from what we see.

Overall, I liked the book. I liked the characters, the plotlines, the merging of the plotlines, the setup for the next book, the canon it added about post-war stuff, Sangheili culture, the Dyson sphere, Lucy speaking and even Kurt's last name. It's a shame that Nylund isn't finishing what he started, but I think Karen Traviss did a pretty good job. I just hope that the Spartan's aren't forgotten aside from Naomi in the next novel. But depending on how Halo 4 plays out, we might see John in it so anything can happen.

  • 10.29.2011 11:21 PM PDT

My problem with the Spartan 4's/Infinity already being there.

Why were neither used in the most dire battle of the entire war? Aka Earth.

Why did they not get deployed across the planet and aid it? The Infinity's forerunner tech could've turned the tide.

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My problem with the Spartan 4's/Infinity already being there.

Why were neither used in the most dire battle of the entire war? Aka Earth.

Why did they not get deployed across the planet and aid it? The Infinity's forerunner tech could've turned the tide.


Yeah, it smacks of unnecessary power creep.

"Ohbytheway, we have a whole new crop of Spartans plus a Forerunner enhanced ship. Yep. It was under the Custodial budget line, no worries."

I don't like how they were just mentioned near the end of the book without being established or foreshadowed. That, combined with the ugly cliffhanger, make for very forced reasons to buy the next book.

  • 10.30.2011 11:25 AM PDT

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ONI's powerYou're absolutely right. Thirty years of war doesn't just end that easily, and the people at ONI know that. In fact, ONI has more work than ever now that the 'official' fighting has stopped; colonies have gone dark, the Insurrection seems to be perking back up, and the lines between ally and enemy aren't clear at all.
TimeframeI wish they would have spaced it out a little bit longer after the end of Halo 3, but whatever.

From the sound of it, the SPARTAN-IV Program is only in the planning stages, so I don't really see it as an issue. Some people may ask why it's even necessary, but keep in mind that ONI doesn't see the war as over. It makes sense that they'd just start from scrap with a new program rather than continue with S-III, what with their project leader dying, the destruction of their base of operations, and the fact that everyone seems to have grown a conscience about the use of children for military projects.

Infinity, on the other hand, seems like it was left kind of ambiguous. Did they ever really give a definitive answer to how far along it was in construction? The whole thing begs the question of it being wise to invest in such a (seemingly) important project with The Covenant bearing down on Earth. Then again, who knows what the time frame regarding ONI receiving word of the Covenant's discovery of the location of Earth and the beginning of the project was.

Less than two months passed between the Fall of Reach and the beginning of the Battle of Earth. Infinity could have started well before Reach chosen as the sacrificial lamb for RED FLAG. Remember, the events of the original trilogy only take place in a matter of weeks.

As made evident by...well...everything, a lot can happen over the course of a few months.
Outlook of the ElitesThe Elites are -blam!-. Some people may see a problem between the events of this story and when the events of The Return take place, but I think it just goes to further show how dire the Elites' situation is.

Hood said it himself, there are probably UNSC and Covenant elements out in space still that haven't received word that the fighting has stopped. We see right there in Glasslands that there are rogue elements in Sangheili society that don't agree with the path The Arbiter is leading them down.

It's a problem that, realistically speaking, isn't going to clear itself up overnight. Because of this, I don't see any problem in continuity between Glasslands and The Return.
Ragging on HalseyThis is all conjecture, but regarding Mendez, I can't help but feel he's been mulling over the morality of his actions for years. When approached with the SPARTAN-III Project, he was probably still in a state of denial. Throughout that time, he probably came to terms with the things he was doing, and was just beginning to accept the fact that he had done unspeakable things around the time Halsey came around.

The thing with Halsey is, while we know she feels immense guilt on the inside, she keeps up this "don't -blam!- with me" charade for everyone else. It's all about not looking weak, if you ask me. Hell, even after learning her own daughter had died, she tries to hold it in so her Spartans don't see her cry.

I feel as if Catherine Halsey is still struggling with what she's done. On one hand, she's feeling guilty and telling herself that she deserves any punishment she has coming, and on the other, she's trying to justify her methods to Paragnosky, and asserting that she (Paragnosky) has no moral high ground to stand on.

Hell, I think the word martyrdom is even thrown around somewhere in there.

Halsey is still working her way to where Mendez in terms of mental state, but because she's still conflicted and wants to look strong, she kind of comes off as if she has no remorse for what she's done. That's all Paragnosky, Mendez, and the others see. They're not in Halsey's head like we are. In fact, I think the outward result of Halsey's inner conflict is what sets Mendez against her in the first place.

Here he is, accepting that he may be a bit of a monster, and in strolls Halsey with her "don't blame me, it was for the good of humanity" mentality. Wouldn't that piss most people off?

It comes off as extremely hypocritical, but there's a rhyme and reason for it.

Paragnosky is much more set in her ways than both Mendez or Halsey. She states herself that she doesn't seek any moral high ground in respect to her involvement in the Spartan Projects: she knows she's approved unspeakable things, and she doesn't care. Paragnosky is convinced that the immoral things she has to do in her position save the lives and consciences of others. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it with her.

I think her beef with Halsey is not so much that she lied to her, but that she sees recognizes that Halsey is conflicted, and she sees that in itself as weakness. Like Mendez, Halsey is coming off as very high and mighty to Parangosky, and I think it infuriates her. I think Margaret wants Halsey to know that she is no better than her.

And this creates an extremely interesting dynamic. You have Mendez on one side, who seems to be recently set in his ways of feeling guilty about his involvement, and he resents Halsey for being conflicted.

On the other side, you have Parangosky, who is convinced that their actions are justified in their overall benefit for humanity, and she also hates Halsey for being conflicted.

Parangosky is black.
Mendez is white.
Halsey is stuck in that grey area in-between, and everyone resents her for it.

I feel like Serin Osman has completely legitimate issues with Halsey. She sees it as Halsey having stolen her life from her, killed her, then abandoned her. It's not really as significant as the Halsey-Mendez-Parangosky dynamic.
Power gatheringYep, and ONI and the UNSC have a lot to clean up. Not only is there the post-war situation with the remnants of the Covenant, but Insurrection is back, and likely with a collective of colonists that feel abandoned by their military.

Humanity should be as worried about their internal post-war situation as much as the Elites are theirs.
Humanity and the Forerunners
I'm not sure what you're referring to.
Virgil
Again, I'm not sure what you're talking about, but you bringing up Virgil reminds me that he could have been used as a means to integrate Forerunner tech and begin work on Infinity.

Then again, that would create an implausible time frame in regards to comments on Infinity earlier in this post.

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