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Subject: Major Post-Halo 3 factions vs The Timeless One

@accordingto343

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Judging by what I see from Glasslands and some of the post-Halo 3 stories in Evolutions, I've come to the conclusion that when the Timeless One rises up and presents threat to the galaxy, he would really have no trouble winning.

The post-Halo 3 factions we know have no chance. No chance in Hell.

Humanity: While I admit the UNSC Infinity (I still hate the name) sounds like a great piece of hardware, humanity will need more than that to defeat a borderline transentiant god who made the Forerunners kill all life in the galaxy to simply slow hm down a bit.

Not to mention there is the looming threat of another human civil war.

Elites: I wouldn't be surprised if these guys go extinct by the next book. They have no war machine to speak of, they just went though a civil war of their own and apparently they don't have warm relations with humanity even by 2559.

Even if the Timeless One makes them see clearly and ally with humanity, what do they have to offer? A bunch of formerly powerful Covenant ships that are nothing more than a shadow of what they once were? Great.

Brutes: Besides warring with the Elites and themselves and proving to be nothing more than savage barbarians, they won't help.

The only saving grace may be the remnants of the Forerunners, but after losing against the Timeless One once, my faith in them isn't strong. Honestly, I kinda hope the TO wins in the end, he may be the only thing that can keep the galaxy from blowing itself up due to the high amounts of drama whipping around.

So what odds do you think anyone has against the Timeless One?

  • 10.28.2011 6:20 PM PDT
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If the Timeless one was responsible for the Flood scourge, then he will most definitely win.

  • 10.28.2011 6:32 PM PDT

yas334229812

Ever consider that all the factions will unite to survive.

Also remember that the Timeless one has not got the weapons and tech to attack the enemy with. It has no ship or the tech to go and start an attack.

The war may not be that great remember the flood were weak and have no food and are not shown to be able to build tech except they hijack ships. So the gravemind was only succesfull as it used human ships etc to attack high charity and other ships and captured ships.

So the precurser although may be really strong but it needs the resources to go across galaxies which it has none.

Plus the factions, will have to work together to survive from the onslaught of the the flood. They will join together even if there are hate among them, like the soviets with the allies against the -blam!-'s. Remember there were problems between all nation leaders with each other. And still they got the job done.

  • 10.28.2011 6:43 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

Not to mention there is the looming threat of another human civil war.



No more a threat then there was before the Covenant.

Anywa, assuming the likely theory TO created the Flood, the answer is obvious.

  • 10.28.2011 6:55 PM PDT

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  • 10.28.2011 7:01 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: risay_117
Ever consider that all the factions will unite to survive.


Ha.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: risay_117
Ever consider that all the factions will unite to survive.


Ha.


that is the dumbest thing ever.

the TO would probably "trick" the simple minded elites into thinking he is forerunner related or say he is a precursors and made the forerunners. thus they would be happy slaves again.

  • 10.28.2011 7:14 PM PDT
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CONES ARE AWESOME.

If he really did create the flood, there is no doubt.
HE IS A PRECURSOR. (precursor>flood>forerunner>everything else.)

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: donutbob12345
If he really did create the flood, there is no doubt.
HE IS A PRECURSOR. (precursor>flood>forerunner>everything else.)


Two dumb statements in a row.


Why would anything that is pure evil tell the truth? It isn't a precursor, That was clearly stated in the book that the humans quickly took that thought back. Greg even implied on his board that he was lying.

  • 10.28.2011 7:32 PM PDT

First of all, what piece of media are you referring when you say all of this? The Reclaimer Trilogy?

  • 10.28.2011 7:36 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
First of all, what piece of media are you referring when you say all of this? The Reclaimer Trilogy?


I said it in the OP, can you not read?

  • 10.28.2011 7:37 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I said it in the OP


You said nothing of any future game/novel in the post.

  • 10.28.2011 7:41 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I said it in the OP


You said nothing of any future game/novel in the post.


All the stuff about the species and their current affairs are in current novels. If you are referring about the Timeless One raising it's head, you'd have to be braindead to not think he's not going to be up to no good.

  • 10.28.2011 7:43 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I said it in the OP


You said nothing of any future game/novel in the post.


All the stuff about the species and their current affairs are in current novels. If you are referring about the Timeless One raising it's head, you'd have to be braindead to not think he's not going to be up to no good.


What are you talking about? I need to know if you're talking about the trilogy or not in order for my argument to be at all relevant.

Assuming you are talking about that, let's take a dive into Halo 4-6:

Scenario: For almost ten years, millions of people have enjoyed the Campaigns of Halo 4 and 5. They can't wait until the next intallment that is coming out this year... Halo 6...
Autumn rolls around, and Halo 6 comes out! The satisfying conclusion to the huge-scale, entertaining, entirely successful trilogy. And possibly the conclusion to the Halo franchise.

After a day, a lot of people have finished the Campaign.

But wait... they're not applauding to the amazing story of Halo 6. No, they're scratching their heads in amazement to how bad the ending really was. They say... it's worse than Halo 2's ending.

So, at the end of this spectacular story of epic heroism and triumph, and overcoming impossible odds... the universe gets blown up by God.

Scenario over.

Put this one up for adoption, and take a quick lesson about writing a story: If you establish a story as being about heroism, bravery, etc. The worst, and most unsatisfying thing to do would be to have the protagonists lose, after everything that has built up all these years, and throughout the entire story.
That is just NOT how stories are told, and most certainly will not be how Halo's 4-6 are told.

It's out of place, given the type of genre Halo is.

In a story, you have to bend what's likely to happen through an event of some sort, so much as to make sure that the story is satisfying and enjoyable. Then, you place a realistic vibe on it to make it believable.
THAT's how Halo 4-6 will work.

Also, all three games won't be focused only on the vaguely-established-in-canon-fanction Timeless Wanker. I don't know who it will feature, but it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY for the trilogy to be large-scale and big in order to satisfy the needs of story length AND gameplay in order for it to fit into an entire trilogy of THREE games, all with their own feels and styles, with each being discussed separately and in great length during development.

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  • 10.28.2011 8:03 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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I am dealing with the trilogy. However, I'm saying the stuff we see from the books, which will somehow link with the new trilogy, shows that no faction is in great shape. And to hype the Timeless One as this powerful mastermind and near-god only to have him get beaten by a force he would easily bash away isn't good storytelling either.

I kinda favor a scenario brought up by Anton in a private convo, a scorched earth ending. the factions win, but suffer IMMENSE costs.

And don't bring up realism. You expect me to believe a few high-tech human ships and junky ex-Covenant ships can beat the TO when not even the full power of the Forerunners could? That's insulting.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Ruby you do understand that for the last iunno 40-50 years that movies and games have been around that there never have been bad endings?


The good always win every single time and it is
boring,unrealistic and even childish.

The forerunners "losing" was good for the story, same with humanity losing in key areas. There has to be a sense of lost to make any victory worthwhile.

And i like you you make post that really don't matter or relate to anything. cobra is bring up a hypothetical circumstance, he isn't saying what will happen.

  • 10.28.2011 8:13 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I am dealing with the trilogy. However, I'm saying the stuff we see from the books, which will somehow link with the new trilogy, shows that no faction is in great shape. And to hype the Timeless One as this powerful mastermind and near-god only to have him get beaten by a force he would easily bash away isn't good storytelling either.

I kinda favor a scenario brought up by Anton in a private convo, a scorched earth ending. the factions win, but suffer IMMENSE costs.

And don't bring up realism. You expect me to believe a few high-tech human ships and junky ex-Covenant ships can beat the TO when not even the full power of the Forerunners could? That's insulting.


To all of that, repeat to me what I just stated about taking the likely outcome, twisting it, then explaining it to meet with the player's/reader's needs.

  • 10.28.2011 8:14 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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You bring up realism when in this hypothetical battle, the factions have a zero percent chance of winning. Explain to me the realism of them winning.

  • 10.28.2011 8:15 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
The good always win every single time and it is
boring,unrealistic and even childish.


So...
Conclusive ending < Unsatisfying, waste-of-your-entire-Halo-career ending?

It may be cliche, but it's the only thing that goes well with the reader/player; the only thing that works. And the only thing in place with Halo.

You sound like a hipster.

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  • 10.28.2011 8:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: grey101
The good always win every single time and it is
boring,unrealistic and even childish.


So...
Conclusive ending < Unsatisfying, waste-of-your-entire-Halo-career ending?

It may be cliche, but it's the only thing that goes well with the reader/player; the only thing that works. And the only thing in place with Halo.

You sound like a hipster.


Hmm so i am a "hipster" because i would like change? your relationships must be stale.

and you can't say " it is the only thing that works" when nothing else has been tried.

And it wouldn't be a "waste of a halo career" because its a game not a lifestyle

  • 10.28.2011 8:24 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
You bring up realism when in this hypothetical battle, the factions have a zero percent chance of winning. Explain to me the realism of them winning.


So, what I get from that statement is that you know EXACTLY how Halo 4-6 will play out, and what state all of them will be in.

Stop taking the information we have currently, because the entire situation of everything and everyone will change around the time of Halo 4 in order for the story and gameplay to meet the needs of a full trilogy.

  • 10.28.2011 8:25 PM PDT

yas334229812

Maybe the Forerunners left the tools for humanity to fight back and all we have to do is find them.

  • 10.28.2011 8:30 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: grey101
The good always win every single time and it is
boring,unrealistic and even childish.


So...
Conclusive ending < Unsatisfying, waste-of-your-entire-Halo-career ending?

It may be cliche, but it's the only thing that goes well with the reader/player; the only thing that works. And the only thing in place with Halo.

You sound like a hipster.


Hmm so i am a "hipster" because i would like change?


You say that like you're wanting to buy a different cereal from your usual brand.

Nobody wants the universe to get blown up after everything that has happened in this epic franchise. Not even you.
It only means disappointment. That word "realistic" means nothing, because you can make anything seem realistic in a story.
What matters is making going through that narrative worth somebody's time; CONCLUSION AND SATISFACTION.

To say that you don't want that because almost all stories do it is PATHETIC and SHALLOW.

  • 10.28.2011 8:34 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
You bring up realism when in this hypothetical battle, the factions have a zero percent chance of winning. Explain to me the realism of them winning.


So, what I get from that statement is that you know EXACTLY how Halo 4-6 will play out, and what state all of them will be in.

Stop taking the information we have currently, because the entire situation of everything and everyone will change around the time of Halo 4 in order for the story and gameplay to meet the needs of a full trilogy.


Halo 4 is set a few years after Halo 3. Perhaps humanity may be able to make some more ships. They'll need them. However, every other faction isn't going to improve, certainly not the Elites or Brutes since their conflict goes well into 2559.

Humanity cannot carry this fight alone. And Ruby, I am not saying I know exactly how the new trilogy will end or even progress. I am taking current information and looking at the challenge that the factions are facing. Honestly, it doesn't look good.

I want fights like this, go to 2:56.

However, seeing all this crap going down in Glasslands and Evolutions, I'm not optimistic that anyone is prepared to fight them.

Posted by: risay_117
Maybe the Forerunners left the tools for humanity to fight back and all we have to do is find them.


I don't see what good they'll do, they did jack -blam!- for the Forerunners.

[Edited on 10.28.2011 8:36 PM PDT]

  • 10.28.2011 8:35 PM PDT

yas334229812

because they let the flood get a stronghold and could not stop their progress, their armour was mainly i think on another site or somewhere was mainly a shield.

They made themselves a shield with no sword so they were doomed to fail as they could not stop them, plus they did not take any important action before hand

Humanity on the other hand will go full force in nuke the -blam!- out of the place and leave. Mainly the humans have both a shield and a sword, their sword acts like a shield and their shield as a sword. They will not let their enemies take a stand against them.

Although i may be wrong i think this site may have the answers you are looking for.
http://blog.ascendantjustice.com/halo-3/the-terminals/

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