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Subject: Major Post-Halo 3 factions vs The Timeless One


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
You bring up realism when in this hypothetical battle, the factions have a zero percent chance of winning. Explain to me the realism of them winning.


So, what I get from that statement is that you know EXACTLY how Halo 4-6 will play out, and what state all of them will be in.

Stop taking the information we have currently, because the entire situation of everything and everyone will change around the time of Halo 4 in order for the story and gameplay to meet the needs of a full trilogy.


Halo 4 is set a few years after Halo 3. Perhaps humanity may be able to make some more ships. They'll need them. However, every other faction isn't going to improve, certainly not the Elites or Brutes since their conflict goes well into 2559.

Humanity cannot carry this fight alone. And Ruby, I am not saying I know exactly how the new trilogy will end or even progress. I am taking current information and looking at the challenge that the factions are facing. Honestly, it doesn't look good.


Try to think outside the story itself, and what changes need to be made so that it is entertaining and conclusive to as many viewers as possible.

That's what I'm always talking about. You kind of have to be a writer to understand the process and cause of reactions.

[Edited on 10.28.2011 8:46 PM PDT]

  • 10.28.2011 8:44 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: risay_117
because they let the flood get a stronghold and could not stop their progress, their armour was mainly i think on another site or somewhere was mainly a shield.

They made themselves a shield with no sword so they were doomed to fail as they could not stop them, plus they did not take any important action before hand

Humanity on the other hand will go full force in nuke the -blam!- out of the place and leave. Mainly the humans have both a shield and a sword, their sword acts like a shield and their shield as a sword. They will not let their enemies take a stand against them.

Although i may be wrong i think this site may have the answers you are looking for.
http://blog.ascendantjustice.com/halo-3/the-terminals/


You really overestimate humanity. A lot. Honestly, I have no idea what you are saying.

  • 10.28.2011 8:44 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
You bring up realism when in this hypothetical battle, the factions have a zero percent chance of winning. Explain to me the realism of them winning.


So, what I get from that statement is that you know EXACTLY how Halo 4-6 will play out, and what state all of them will be in.

Stop taking the information we have currently, because the entire situation of everything and everyone will change around the time of Halo 4 in order for the story and gameplay to meet the needs of a full trilogy.


Halo 4 is set a few years after Halo 3. Perhaps humanity may be able to make some more ships. They'll need them. However, every other faction isn't going to improve, certainly not the Elites or Brutes since their conflict goes well into 2559.

Humanity cannot carry this fight alone. And Ruby, I am not saying I know exactly how the new trilogy will end or even progress. I am taking current information and looking at the challenge that the factions are facing. Honestly, it doesn't look good.


Try to think outside the story itself, and what changes need to be made so that it is entertaining and conclusive to as many viewers as possible.


So basiclly, dumb it down.

  • 10.28.2011 8:45 PM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

[Announcement Trailer] Halo: Forerunner

Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: grey101
Why would anything that is pure evil tell the truth? It isn't a precursor, That was clearly stated in the book that the humans quickly took that thought back. Greg even implied on his board that he was lying.
So Glasslands makes it clear that he isn't Precursor?

  • 10.28.2011 8:47 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
You bring up realism when in this hypothetical battle, the factions have a zero percent chance of winning. Explain to me the realism of them winning.


So, what I get from that statement is that you know EXACTLY how Halo 4-6 will play out, and what state all of them will be in.

Stop taking the information we have currently, because the entire situation of everything and everyone will change around the time of Halo 4 in order for the story and gameplay to meet the needs of a full trilogy.


Halo 4 is set a few years after Halo 3. Perhaps humanity may be able to make some more ships. They'll need them. However, every other faction isn't going to improve, certainly not the Elites or Brutes since their conflict goes well into 2559.

Humanity cannot carry this fight alone. And Ruby, I am not saying I know exactly how the new trilogy will end or even progress. I am taking current information and looking at the challenge that the factions are facing. Honestly, it doesn't look good.


Try to think outside the story itself, and what changes need to be made so that it is entertaining and conclusive to as many viewers as possible.


So basiclly, dumb it down.


Whatever respect I had for you has lessened, because that response is the most simple-minded thing I have ever read from you.

For you.

  • 10.28.2011 8:49 PM PDT

yas334229812


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: risay_117
because they let the flood get a stronghold and could not stop their progress, their armour was mainly i think on another site or somewhere was mainly a shield.

They made themselves a shield with no sword so they were doomed to fail as they could not stop them, plus they did not take any important action before hand

Humanity on the other hand will go full force in nuke the -blam!- out of the place and leave. Mainly the humans have both a shield and a sword, their sword acts like a shield and their shield as a sword. They will not let their enemies take a stand against them.

Although i may be wrong i think this site may have the answers you are looking for.
http://blog.ascendantjustice.com/halo-3/the-terminals/


You really overestimate humanity. A lot. Honestly, I have no idea what you are saying.

true i might be.

  • 10.28.2011 8:51 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Whatever respect I had for you has lessened, because that response is the most simple-minded thing I have ever read from you.

For you.


You basically said make it entertaining for as many people as possible. The only way that can happen is if in a span of a few years, SOMEHOW the factions are able to set aside their petty differences and managed to create more equipment, weapons and ships that rivaled the Forerunners in scale.

Such a suspension of disbelief. And Ruby, I lost respect for you every time you try to talk Halo, yet have haven't finished all the games or read every book. Sorry, but I can;t take you seriously.

  • 10.28.2011 8:54 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: grey101
The good always win every single time and it is
boring,unrealistic and even childish.


So...
Conclusive ending < Unsatisfying, waste-of-your-entire-Halo-career ending?

It may be cliche, but it's the only thing that goes well with the reader/player; the only thing that works. And the only thing in place with Halo.

You sound like a hipster.


Hmm so i am a "hipster" because i would like change? your relationships must be stale.

and you can't say " it is the only thing that works" when nothing else has been tried.

And it wouldn't be a "waste of a halo career" because its a game not a lifestyle


The ending is the conclusion to the characters' story arcs, and sums up everything they learned/did not learn; the outcome reflects this.

1984 is a classic example of the villains winning. It was a cautionary tale set up to prove how screwed we are.

Where as other stories like the entire Star Wars movie series is a case where the story is about redemtion. The lessons learned compound into the hero winning in the end, and evil redeeming itself to good. There's no thematic reason for the hero to lose; if he did, and evil won, everything was pointless, just like how the cautionary themes of 1984 would have been voided had Winston actually succeeded.

So what kind of story is Halo? One where the human race must learn its destiny to be custodian of all life in the universe. It must first, supposedly, prove itself worthy of the title and learn from the Forerunners' mistakes.

A proper ending for such a story is the defeat (but not destruction) of evil. Evil will be ever present, but humanity, I believe, will emerge victorious in the end. But that's just my take on it, I've been surprised before.

Thematically, a good wins ending is no more childish then an evil wins ending. It becomes childish only when things either happen for no reason, or when the conclusion contradicts the lessons, arcs and themes preceeding it. (though I must admit a "they all lived happily ever after" is annoying regardless, since there is no lasting consequences or impact (and thusly a diminished theme) for anything).

  • 10.28.2011 9:03 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

If the heroes win, I'm fine. But if they do so overwhelmingly, no.

  • 10.28.2011 9:05 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Whatever respect I had for you has lessened, because that response is the most simple-minded thing I have ever read from you.

For you.


You basically said make it entertaining for as many people as possible. The only way that can happen is if in a span of a few years, SOMEHOW the factions are able to set aside their petty differences and managed to create more equipment, weapons and ships that rivaled the Forerunners in scale.


Here we go with the roundabout argument.

Such a suspension of disbelief.

Only if it's not done correctly. In which, I respond to your narrow one-way argument by saying: "Open your mind to the possibilities of a narrative."

And Ruby, I lost respect for you every time you try to talk Halo, yet have haven't finished all the games

Okay, where in hell did you get that impression?

And also, I don't need to read every book to know how writing a story works and what reactions it will gain from its viewers. Halo isn't some wild exception to the world of narratives.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: grey101
Why would anything that is pure evil tell the truth? It isn't a precursor, That was clearly stated in the book that the humans quickly took that thought back. Greg even implied on his board that he was lying.
So Glasslands makes it clear that he isn't Precursor?


no no.

in cryptum didact says the humans thought it was a precursor but quickly waved it off as an aberration

  • 10.28.2011 9:07 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
And also, I don't need to read every book to know how writing a story works and what reactions it will gain from its viewers. Halo isn't some wild exception to the world of narratives.


And you tell me I don't know how things will turn out, yet you are saying you know what will happen.

  • 10.28.2011 9:08 PM PDT


Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: grey101
Why would anything that is pure evil tell the truth? It isn't a precursor, That was clearly stated in the book that the humans quickly took that thought back. Greg even implied on his board that he was lying.
So Glasslands makes it clear that he isn't Precursor?


We have no conclusive evidence supporting either argument except for Primordial's word (which, since he's evil as grey said, why trust him?), though there are hints leading people, like maybe grey, to believe he may be a creation, or at least an abomination, of Precursor genes (I believe he is once referred to as "the thing the Old Ones made.")

I decided to take the middle ground and currently see the Primordial as a cyborg like creature, part Precursor (representative of good and purity, life) and part machine (representative of evil, cold, heartlessness, life's antithesis) making the Primordial, a Precursor turned evil, the epitome of duality. Born from good intentions, now consumed by evil.

And therefore explaining why he, if it is he, looks like a machine in the Concept Art teaser.

[Edited on 10.28.2011 9:13 PM PDT]

  • 10.28.2011 9:09 PM PDT

yas334229812


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: grey101
Why would anything that is pure evil tell the truth? It isn't a precursor, That was clearly stated in the book that the humans quickly took that thought back. Greg even implied on his board that he was lying.
So Glasslands makes it clear that he isn't Precursor?


no no.

in cryptum didact says the humans thought it was a precursor but quickly waved it off as an aberration


Some also speculate that it may not be a precursor but something else entirely with precursor ties, a descendant or a failed experiment or a servant or slave that lost its master and now has a lust for vengeance.

  • 10.28.2011 9:10 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
If the heroes win, I'm fine. But if they do so overwhelmingly, no.


If you had said that from the start, we wouldn't be talking about this, because I agree with that.

Triumph over oppressive and big odds is what makes a story satisfying and dramatic. I don't want the protagonist faction(s) to breeze through everything with no trouble. Struggle makes stories interesting and conclusive in the end.

I hope this means we were on the same page the whole time.

  • 10.28.2011 9:10 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
If the heroes win, I'm fine. But if they do so overwhelmingly, no.


If you had said that from the start, we wouldn't be talking about this, because I agree with that.

Triumph over oppressive and big odds is what makes a story satisfying and dramatic. I don't want the protagonist faction(s) to breeze through everything with no trouble. Struggle makes stories interesting and conclusive in the end.

I hope this means we were on the same page the whole time.


Aside from on the best way to get to that climatic battle in terms of strengthening the factions, yes.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Ruby of the Blue


And Ruby, I lost respect for you every time you try to talk Halo, yet have haven't finished all the games

Okay, where in hell did you get that impression?

And also, I don't need to read every book to know how writing a story works and what reactions it will gain from its viewers. Halo isn't some wild exception to the world of narratives.



Your service record shows that you hardly played ODST and you didn't even finish beating halo 3.

And you need to read every book to stay updated in the lore which you are far from.

  • 10.28.2011 9:12 PM PDT

yas334229812


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue


And Ruby, I lost respect for you every time you try to talk Halo, yet have haven't finished all the games

Okay, where in hell did you get that impression?

And also, I don't need to read every book to know how writing a story works and what reactions it will gain from its viewers. Halo isn't some wild exception to the world of narratives.



Your service record shows that you hardly played ODST and you didn't even finish beating halo 3.

And you need to read every book to stay updated in the lore which you are far from.

I have not played Halo 3 but i did look at the walkthroughs and cutscenes and am right now trying to study the terminals. My reason was i lived in another country where the 360 does not exist and i had halo2 but the moment i moved lost any chance in entering the gaming community until i moved to Canada.

  • 10.28.2011 9:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I wasn't talking to you risay. Your not the one that isn't update yet acts as if you understand everything

  • 10.28.2011 9:20 PM PDT

yas334229812


Posted by: grey101
I wasn't talking to you risay. Your not the one that isn't update yet acts as if you understand everything


True i might act that way might be my human problem. I am sorry if i make any other problems like that ever again.

  • 10.28.2011 9:25 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue


And Ruby, I lost respect for you every time you try to talk Halo, yet have haven't finished all the games

Okay, where in hell did you get that impression?

And also, I don't need to read every book to know how writing a story works and what reactions it will gain from its viewers. Halo isn't some wild exception to the world of narratives.



HERP DERP THIS IS RUBYS ONLY ACCOUNT THAT HE PLAYED HALO 3, ODST AND REACH ONN


Fix'd.
Do you lack the power of inference, or what?

And you need to read every book to stay updated in the lore which you are far from.

The first statement is true, but the second is void, as I have a basic rundown of everything, which is all I need.

A complete inside-out knowledge of the Halo canon is not necessary to know what makes a narrative enjoyable for its viewers.

Seriously, quit going with the first thoughts that come to your head that you're comfortable with. Something you will seriously need as an intellectual is to constantly consider all possibilities, something of which you don't do from what you're showing.

  • 10.28.2011 9:26 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Some things you actually have to read to understand though Ruby, like the insurrection.

  • 10.28.2011 9:28 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Some things you actually have to read to understand though Ruby, like the insurrection.


Understandable.

  • 10.28.2011 9:29 PM PDT

yas334229812


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Some things you actually have to read to understand though Ruby, like the insurrection.


Ruby Deception Cobra is right as these stories give a mindset and an explanation of the events, what you read without a book is just an overview the books on the other hand go into the details and sometimes like glasslands not enough for us to understand but that is because the story did not revolve around it.

  • 10.28.2011 9:30 PM PDT


Posted by: risay_117

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Some things you actually have to read to understand though Ruby, like the insurrection.


Ruby Deception Cobra is right as these stories give a mindset


Right. But that mindset is also a bias.
Personal enjoyment of a story can possibly get in the way of logic and reasoning. That's not why I don't feel like reading them (I just don't have the desire to =/), by the way.

I do put myself into the other person's shoes, though.

  • 10.28.2011 9:37 PM PDT

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