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Subject: Argument for Button Glitches in future Halos

Someone might have already posted this, but I came across this in a random google search, and I agree wholeheartedly with this person's point of view.

http://gear61sblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/halo-2-button-glitche s.html

  • 10.30.2011 2:22 PM PDT

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Why would we want button glitches?

[Edited on 10.30.2011 2:24 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2011 2:24 PM PDT


Posted by: Lone Wolf AFKs
Why would we want button glitches?


How about you actually read the link that I provided in the OP? Hmm?

  • 10.30.2011 2:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Lone Wolf AFKs
Why would we want button glitches?


How about you actually read the link that I provided in the OP? Hmm?


No thanks I don't read blogs. They're often just about one person crying about something their bad at.

  • 10.30.2011 2:27 PM PDT


Posted by: Lone Wolf AFKs

Posted by: Drowsy Demon

Posted by: Lone Wolf AFKs
Why would we want button glitches?


How about you actually read the link that I provided in the OP? Hmm?


No thanks I don't read blogs. They're often just about one person crying about something their bad at.


Oh good a troll. Well, off to the Waypoint forums. There's less people like you around there.

  • 10.30.2011 2:28 PM PDT
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Lol.

Thanks for the link. The circular logic and strawmanning are hilarious.

[Edited on 10.30.2011 2:31 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2011 2:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: Drowsy Demon
Oh good a troll. Well, off to the Waypoint forums. There's less people like you around there.


Yeah because you can't disagree about anything without getting banned.

Fail forums is fail.

  • 10.30.2011 2:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: Drowsy Demon
Oh good a troll. Well, off to the Waypoint forums. There's less people like you around there.

It's funny because even the smallest argument there gets you banned.

  • 10.30.2011 2:31 PM PDT

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Waypoint forums are pretty bad. I actually never joined.

  • 10.30.2011 2:32 PM PDT


Posted by: RC Clone
Lol.

Thanks for the link. The circular logic and strawmanning are hilarious.


It's funny because this statement in itself is a strawman argument.

  • 10.30.2011 2:34 PM PDT

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Glitches are by definition unintentional programming errors.

I think what you're after is more complex movement combos.

  • 10.30.2011 2:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Drowsy Demon
Oh good a troll. Well, off to the Waypoint forums. There's less people like you around there.


Yeah because you can't disagree about anything without getting banned.

Fail forums is fail.


This forum is only a fail because of people like you.

  • 10.30.2011 2:34 PM PDT


Posted by: Lone Wolf AFKs

Posted by: Drowsy Demon
Oh good a troll. Well, off to the Waypoint forums. There's less people like you around there.


Yeah because you can't disagree about anything without getting banned.

Fail forums is fail.


At least there's less people like you who refuse to even take a look in the opening post, yet still post in the thread anyways for seemingly no reason other than to arouse my ire.

  • 10.30.2011 2:34 PM PDT


Posted by: RC Master
Glitches are by definition unintentional programming errors.

I think what you're after is more complex movement combos.


BXR wasn't intentional, yet the programming allowed it to be used. So yes, it is a glitch. And yes, it is also a "complex movement combo." Same thing. The term "Glitch" just gets across the point better because most people regard it is a glitch, just like most people call "varying degrees of accuracy based on rate of fire" the simpler moniker of "Bloom."

  • 10.30.2011 2:36 PM PDT

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This forum is only a fail because of people like you.



I meant Halo.xbox.com forums.

  • 10.30.2011 2:37 PM PDT


Posted by: Lone Wolf AFKs

Posted by: XxHitManxX

This forum is only a fail because of people like you.



I meant Halo.xbox.com forums.


If you have nothing to contribute then go away.

  • 10.30.2011 2:39 PM PDT

Personally, I disagree with the button glitches being in the game. Halo isn't about super-fast inputs, it's about aiming skill and map control/teamwork.

I can see the benefits of such a thing being present, I just don't like it.

  • 10.30.2011 2:39 PM PDT


Posted by: scmitar1
Personally, I disagree with the button glitches being in the game. Halo isn't about super-fast inputs, it's about aiming skill and map control/teamwork.

I can see the benefits of such a thing being present, I just don't like it.


It could be argued that "super-fast-inputs" describes pretty much every aspect of Halo. What is shooting other than a "super-fast input"? What is melee-ing other than a "super-fast input"?

You're acting as if aiming skill and map control/teamwork will disappear if button combos are implemented in Halo, and that's not true.

However, if you "just don't like it" then that's ok.

[Edited on 10.30.2011 2:42 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2011 2:42 PM PDT
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Lol.

Thanks for the link. The circular logic and strawmanning are hilarious.


It's funny because this statement in itself is a strawman argument.


This is even more hilarious because it shows that you have no idea what a real strawman is.

If I had said his entire essay was circular logic and strawmanning, then that statement would have been a strawman.

If you'll go back and re-read what I posted I made no generalizations about the content of that essay beyond the presence of circular logic and strawmanning.

That could mean anything from, there is only one sentence that I found hilarious because of it logical fallacies to reading this entire essay would be like watching a blindfolded baby try to make its way through a labyrinth made of melting taffy that will slowly melt until the baby is trapped inside its own longwinded waste of internet space.

I bold / underlined the actual strawman for you since you can' tell on your own OP.

[Edited on 10.30.2011 2:46 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2011 2:45 PM PDT

Posted by: Drowsy Demon

Posted by: scmitar1
Personally, I disagree with the button glitches being in the game. Halo isn't about super-fast inputs, it's about aiming skill and map control/teamwork.

I can see the benefits of such a thing being present, I just don't like it.


It could be argued that "super-fast-inputs" describes pretty much every aspect of Halo. What is shooting other than a "super-fast input"? What is melee-ing other than a "super-fast input"?

You're acting as if aiming skill and map control/teamwork will disappear if button combos are implemented in Halo, and that's not true.

However, if you "just don't like it" then that's ok.


Meleeing is about reaction times, not just being able to press buttons very fast.

And though I am aware that aiming skill and map control/teamwork will not disappear, can you imagine if somebody implemented aiming and shooting into a fighting game? Though it's not quite as drastic as that in Halo 2's case, it's a similar point.
The more streamlined the skills required are, and the higher the skill ceiling for said skills are, the better. In my eyes, at least.

  • 10.30.2011 2:47 PM PDT


Posted by: RC Clone
If I had said his entire essay was circular logic and strawmanning, then that statement would have been a strawman.


That's what you implied in your post.

Posted by: RC Clone
The circular logic and strawmanning are hilarious.


What does "the" refer to? Why, the essay of course. So you are indeed generalizing the entire essay and making a strawman argument. You're arguing schematics and refusing to admit that you made the very same error you were lambasting.

[Edited on 10.30.2011 2:49 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2011 2:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

Posted by: SouthPoIe
Clone is an internet God.

Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.

Posted by: Drowsy Demon
Posted by: RC Clone
If I had said his entire essay was circular logic and strawmanning, then that statement would have been a strawman.


That's what you implied in your post.

Posted by: RC Clone
The circular logic and strawmanning are hilarious.


What does "the" refer to? Why, the essay of course. So you are indeed generalizing the entire essay and making a strawman argument. You're arguing schematics and refusing to admit that you made the very same error you were lambasting.

The obviously refers to the circular logic and strawmanning If you can point out where in my first post I say that the entire thing is a logical fallacies then you win. Strawmans aren't implied they are flat out stated such as

Posted by: Halo 2 trytard with a blog
I can say that 95% of the opposition were too close minded and/or lazy to try out the glitches themselves and give them a chance.

That's what a strawman looks like.

[Edited on 10.30.2011 2:54 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2011 2:53 PM PDT


Posted by: scmitar1
Posted by: Drowsy Demon

Posted by: scmitar1
Personally, I disagree with the button glitches being in the game. Halo isn't about super-fast inputs, it's about aiming skill and map control/teamwork.

I can see the benefits of such a thing being present, I just don't like it.


It could be argued that "super-fast-inputs" describes pretty much every aspect of Halo. What is shooting other than a "super-fast input"? What is melee-ing other than a "super-fast input"?

You're acting as if aiming skill and map control/teamwork will disappear if button combos are implemented in Halo, and that's not true.

However, if you "just don't like it" then that's ok.


Meleeing is about reaction times, not just being able to press buttons very fast.

And though I am aware that aiming skill and map control/teamwork will not disappear, can you imagine if somebody implemented aiming and shooting into a fighting game? Though it's not quite as drastic as that in Halo 2's case, it's a similar point.
The more streamlined the skills required are, and the higher the skill ceiling for said skills are, the better. In my eyes, at least.


Your example is irrelevant. A fighting game is a different genre than a First Person Shooter. Both games, however, require button presses to complete a set of actions. The more general argument says that since shooting, jumping, and aiming are all either button presses or a combination of them, why are elements like the BXR demonized and decried as being detrimental to Halo gameplay?

And reaction-times are related to "super fast inputs." If you have a non-existent reaction time, how are you supposed to make an input? Since when was slower reaction times good in a firefight?

  • 10.30.2011 2:54 PM PDT
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I bet I know how it goes.

"It adds to the skill gap because not everyone can pull them off and anything that adds to the skill gap is good."

Know why I don't like button combos?

Getting one shot by starter weapons.

Edit: Called it. First line of his post "Button glitches took SKILL and ADDED to the game."

[Edited on 10.30.2011 2:57 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2011 2:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

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Clone is an internet God.

Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.

Here's an analogy now, since class is in session.

You telling me that my first post is a strawman would be like if I said that the Halo 3 level Cortana got somewhat tedious and then you accused me of calling the entire game bad.

  • 10.30.2011 2:56 PM PDT

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