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Subject: Argument for Button Glitches in future Halos

Posted by: Drowsy Demon

Posted by: scmitar1
I'd prefer if the 'glitches' could be done without such button-pressing. If it's possible to melee incredibly fast just because you're pressing an extra button, why can't we throw the extra button out of the window? Skill-gap isn't affected, since any monkey can actually perform the button-combo, yet the other proposed benefits remain in the game.


No, the very fact that the BXR wasn't used well by a vast number of people in Halo 2 proves that "a simple monkey" can't actually perform the button-combo. It did indeed raise the skill-gap.

"Why not just throw out the extra button?"

Why indeed.

Going along with your logic, why not just make melee instant kill, since you have to press 2 buttons to melee twice to kill someone? Why not just make RB fire the gun 4 times in the exact same spot?

There's a fine line between pointless additions and adding to the skill gap. BXR did not cross that line.

I was awful at Halo 2 and could BXB/BXR consistently. It wasn't used because nobody knew about it. Any monkey COULD press those buttons, but none of them knew that it would do anything if they did.

You raise a fair point about everything else, though.

  • 10.30.2011 3:24 PM PDT

Your presence here is quite unneeded. Begone you!!!


Posted by: Lone Wolf AFKs

Posted by: Drowsy Demon

Posted by: Lone Wolf AFKs
Why would we want button glitches?


How about you actually read the link that I provided in the OP? Hmm?


No thanks I don't read blogs. They're often just about one person crying about something their bad at.


ya that's true

  • 10.30.2011 3:26 PM PDT


Posted by: No Naku Koro Ni_

Posted by: Lone Wolf AFKs

Posted by: Drowsy Demon

Posted by: Lone Wolf AFKs
Why would we want button glitches?


How about you actually read the link that I provided in the OP? Hmm?


No thanks I don't read blogs. They're often just about one person crying about something their bad at.


ya that's true


If you don't want to read the link, why even post? Seriously. It's not hard. Just don't click the "post" button, and move onto another thread.

  • 10.30.2011 3:26 PM PDT


Posted by: scmitar1
Posted by: Drowsy Demon

Posted by: scmitar1
I'd prefer if the 'glitches' could be done without such button-pressing. If it's possible to melee incredibly fast just because you're pressing an extra button, why can't we throw the extra button out of the window? Skill-gap isn't affected, since any monkey can actually perform the button-combo, yet the other proposed benefits remain in the game.


No, the very fact that the BXR wasn't used well by a vast number of people in Halo 2 proves that "a simple monkey" can't actually perform the button-combo. It did indeed raise the skill-gap.

"Why not just throw out the extra button?"

Why indeed.

Going along with your logic, why not just make melee instant kill, since you have to press 2 buttons to melee twice to kill someone? Why not just make RB fire the gun 4 times in the exact same spot?

There's a fine line between pointless additions and adding to the skill gap. BXR did not cross that line.

I was awful at Halo 2 and could BXB/BXR consistently. It wasn't used because nobody knew about it. Any monkey COULD press those buttons, but none of them knew that it would do anything if they did.

You raise a fair point about everything else, though.


Hmmmm.

Ok I see your point. Still, for the sake of playing Devil's Advocate, I'll throw out one more bone.

At the start of Halo: Reach's release, no one knew where the power weapons on the multiplayer maps were. It took countless hours of play to figure them all out, and, to this day, a sizable number of people still don't know where the Sniper Rifle for Blue Team on Boardwalk spawns.

Bungie doesn't publicize the power weapon locations. There's nothing in the manual giving players tips on the locations. They have to learn it.

Likewise, the same could be said of BXR, no? It's in-game knowledge that has to be gained through experience.

  • 10.30.2011 3:29 PM PDT
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so you can cheap kill casuals and make yourself feel good

  • 10.30.2011 3:42 PM PDT


Posted by: MarkyB
so you can cheap kill casuals and make yourself feel good


You have a very skewed definition of cheap if you call something that you can use yourself "cheap."

  • 10.30.2011 5:10 PM PDT
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ZomG, for those people wanting to know everything, this is not my Main tag anymore, (McCrash IS for Posting on B.net)

Original XbL Gamertag, zeDutchKreatiVz, as you guessed, Im Dutch/from Holland/Amsterdam.

...Also wTf happened to Halo.......*sighs*

L00000000000000000000000000000000000000L

To all Reach Newbie's.

Halo 2's in-game Button glitches (BxB, BxR, RRx, and moar!)

OWNZZZ the STUPID ADDITIONS OF Armor Ability's.

It's like back in the day, some Bungie employees played a game of slayer on Lockout, Got (apparantly) 1 shotted (in their mind's)but was a double shot, and then their all like "ZOMG HE JUST CHEATED IN THE GAME I HELPED CREATE" then calls Joseph, and says, yea, let's make our Final game more newb friendly so we have chance to actually play OUR game.

The ones saying BGlitches are bad, are bad themselves, as its something they could do aswell, however, Lacked the skill to use/time them.

I agree with one big part of the blog tho, BGlitches did NEVER Dominate teamwork, decisionmaking and whatever, if you do not acknowledge that, you probably played Halo 2 off of yours daddy Creditcard and going in Randomly.

Seriously NO glitch could win from decent TeamWork.Baka!

  • 10.30.2011 5:43 PM PDT


Posted by: Drowsy Demon

Posted by: MarkyB
so you can cheap kill casuals and make yourself feel good


You have a very skewed definition of cheap if you call something that you can use yourself "cheap."

I dont really want to get involved in all the trolling but i will refer to the insta kill button argument for this one

if every one gets a button that can instantly kill everyone on the other team but everyone got one would it still be "cheap" to mash the button every time you spawned because hey you have faster fingers or your just straight up host?

P.S. i will not reply because you will not be swayed no matter what i say

[Edited on 10.30.2011 6:46 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2011 6:45 PM PDT


Posted by: n00b 0f d00m

Posted by: Drowsy Demon

Posted by: MarkyB
so you can cheap kill casuals and make yourself feel good


You have a very skewed definition of cheap if you call something that you can use yourself "cheap."

I dont really want to get involved in all the trolling but i will refer to the insta kill button argument for this one

if every one gets a button that can instantly kill everyone on the other team but everyone got one would it still be "cheap" to mash the button every time you spawned because hey you have faster fingers or your just straight up host?

P.S. i will not reply because you will not be swayed no matter what i say


No, it would not be cheap.

It would not be fun, because all gameplay would be decided by that one button press, but it would also not be cheap. There's a huge difference.

[Edited on 10.30.2011 8:32 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2011 8:31 PM PDT

no

  • 12.21.2011 12:18 PM PDT

chances are I don't care who you are or what you say.

I liked the button glitches and I think the author of the article did a good job explaining them and their uses

  • 12.21.2011 12:31 PM PDT
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I remember reading this article and found it interesting also.

I think some glitches should be embraced and not completely removed/frowned upon. It could actually improve the game and potentially allow for more fun, although everyone should know how to do these glitches/exploits, otherwise it would be unfair. This applies not just to Halo, but other games as well.

I remember playing Mario Kart on the Nintendo DS and I would always snake (where you would drift left to right to gain ridiculous amounts of speed) and so did everyone online. The only ones that complained were the people I played against locally because they couldn't do it as well as I could, yet they were able to do it as well. I even saw some players online could dodge the blue shell (a heat-seeking missle-like shell that targets the player in 1st place I didn't know you could avoid until then) enough times they could keep 1st place forever. I, myself, only did it a few times, most likely to luck though, as it takes lots of practice to successfully release the drift boost before the blue shell hits the ground and explodes. This created a larger skill gap in Mario Kart. (lol)

[Edited on 12.21.2011 11:41 PM PST]

  • 12.21.2011 11:23 PM PDT
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Well as someone who had one of the best quad shots in H2, I'm strongly biased to wanting them back.

Everyone would need to know they existed though, that might change the its "cheating" attitude some players had towards them.


I honestly don't think they can ever be re-created though, they simply were an accident, an accident that was good for the game and added a ton to it though.

  • 12.22.2011 1:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: RC Clone
This is even more hilarious because it shows that you have no idea what a real strawman is.

If I had said his entire essay was circular logic and strawmanning, then that statement would have been a strawman.

If you'll go back and re-read what I posted I made no generalizations about the content of that essay beyond the presence of circular logic and strawmanning.

That could mean anything from, there is only one sentence that I found hilarious because of it logical fallacies to reading this entire essay would be like watching a blindfolded baby try to make its way through a labyrinth made of melting taffy that will slowly melt until the baby is trapped inside its own longwinded waste of internet space.

I bold / underlined the actual strawman for you since you can' tell on your own OP.

I think my head just exploded...

Anywho, Leave button mashing and special combos to fighting games, they don't belong in FPS.

  • 12.22.2011 1:07 AM PDT

No.

I can just think of the online warriors now.

  • 12.22.2011 2:40 AM PDT

dont like my driving? stay off the sidewalk

i didnt read it and i dont agree with you.

  • 12.22.2011 3:31 AM PDT

So you want developers to write sh.t code on purpose?

:/

  • 12.22.2011 8:48 AM PDT

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