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Subject: Flood vs Zerg

Poll: Flood vs Zerg  [closed]
Zerg:  21%
(7 Votes)
Flood:  79%
(27 Votes)
Total Votes: 34

I was gonna do starcraft vs halo, but I thought flood vs zerg would be more interesting.

Personally I think the zerg would own the flood.

  • 10.31.2011 6:00 AM PDT

They come now... and they take us... the tide rises.

Epic challenge... i voted for the Flood.
Zerg havent scurged the galaxy, Flood yes... and what panic! :_:

  • 10.31.2011 8:56 AM PDT

In regards to novels and "canon". I will pick and choose which ones to support as I damn well please. Cryptum and Glasslands are irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

Don't like that? Boo hoo.

Sure they're "canon" but that doesn't mean I have to support them, their existence, or the continued careers of their respective writers.

I gotta give it to the Zerg there.

Zerg can rip through titanium plating like it's nothing and have acid spines that can melt through armor like the acid blood in ALIENS. Flood have increased strength, but not that kind of raw power.
Zerg have spacefaring capability through specially formed bio-ships, these "ships" can even perform FTL travel. Flood are limited to what they can acquire from their hosts.
Zerg don't simply infest creatures, they analyze a form after breaking it down in their spawning pools and adapt it's form to be more suitable to them. Other times they simply create something new from scratch.
Zerg have psychic attributes and are attuned to other psionics, Flood have no psionic/telepathic abilities.
The Zerg have yet to be truly defeated...they've suffered many setbacks but overall the swarm has survived and in many cases even thrived. The only real "defeat" would be at the end of SC2...and even then there's events in the game that hint at otherwise...

They may be younger than the Flood, but the Flood have been beaten completely once and pretty badly/completely the second time. Need I remind all that the second time it was largely due to the Chief/Cortana?
Largely the Flood seem...simpler as an organism than the Zerg. With the Zerg there's a vast network of intelligence with the Cerebrates and Overmind/Kerrigan. With the Flood it's just the Gravemind.

I think a more fair comparison would be the Zerg vs Tyranids...but that's not even really fair in itself as the Tyranids are by far the superior xenos.

[Edited on 10.31.2011 10:37 AM PDT]

  • 10.31.2011 10:36 AM PDT

Tough, as the zerg don't need to infest soldiers to increase their numbers (They can spawn more), AND every new race they infest, if it has an awesome trait that's useful? You'll see that in all zerg.

So if they infest something very resistant to the cold, the bulk of their forces will become immune to it and so on.

  • 10.31.2011 10:37 AM PDT
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My god guys please search older posts....
There are thousand such threads and all state that flood can defeat everything exept tyranids....we had an even between flood and tyranids...
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=64514472&p ostRepeater1-p=10#64672101

  • 11.01.2011 8:15 AM PDT

They come now... and they take us... the tide rises.


Posted by: Astartes Marine
I gotta give it to the Zerg there.

Zerg can rip through titanium plating like it's nothing and have acid spines that can melt through armor like the acid blood in ALIENS. Flood have increased strength, but not that kind of raw power.
Zerg have spacefaring capability through specially formed bio-ships, these "ships" can even perform FTL travel. Flood are limited to what they can acquire from their hosts.
Zerg don't simply infest creatures, they analyze a form after breaking it down in their spawning pools and adapt it's form to be more suitable to them. Other times they simply create something new from scratch.
Zerg have psychic attributes and are attuned to other psionics, Flood have no psionic/telepathic abilities.
The Zerg have yet to be truly defeated...they've suffered many setbacks but overall the swarm has survived and in many cases even thrived. The only real "defeat" would be at the end of SC2...and even then there's events in the game that hint at otherwise...

They may be younger than the Flood, but the Flood have been beaten completely once and pretty badly/completely the second time. Need I remind all that the second time it was largely due to the Chief/Cortana?
Largely the Flood seem...simpler as an organism than the Zerg. With the Zerg there's a vast network of intelligence with the Cerebrates and Overmind/Kerrigan. With the Flood it's just the Gravemind.

I think a more fair comparison would be the Zerg vs Tyranids...but that's not even really fair in itself as the Tyranids are by far the superior xenos.


Who says that the Flood may not be a bio-ship? We havent look all stages of Flood Evolution.

  • 11.01.2011 9:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: Spartan319

Posted by: Astartes Marine
I gotta give it to the Zerg there.

Zerg can rip through titanium plating like it's nothing and have acid spines that can melt through armor like the acid blood in ALIENS. Flood have increased strength, but not that kind of raw power.
Zerg have spacefaring capability through specially formed bio-ships, these "ships" can even perform FTL travel. Flood are limited to what they can acquire from their hosts.
Zerg don't simply infest creatures, they analyze a form after breaking it down in their spawning pools and adapt it's form to be more suitable to them. Other times they simply create something new from scratch.
Zerg have psychic attributes and are attuned to other psionics, Flood have no psionic/telepathic abilities.
The Zerg have yet to be truly defeated...they've suffered many setbacks but overall the swarm has survived and in many cases even thrived. The only real "defeat" would be at the end of SC2...and even then there's events in the game that hint at otherwise...

They may be younger than the Flood, but the Flood have been beaten completely once and pretty badly/completely the second time. Need I remind all that the second time it was largely due to the Chief/Cortana?
Largely the Flood seem...simpler as an organism than the Zerg. With the Zerg there's a vast network of intelligence with the Cerebrates and Overmind/Kerrigan. With the Flood it's just the Gravemind.

I think a more fair comparison would be the Zerg vs Tyranids...but that's not even really fair in itself as the Tyranids are by far the superior xenos.


Who says that the Flood may not be a bio-ship? We havent look all stages of Flood Evolution.

It can...Its stated in the link of my previous post just read that thread and it will explain ...they came to forerunners on bio ships.

  • 11.01.2011 10:16 AM PDT

Um... where does it say that? The flood arrived into the universe on unknown ships, and then used infested Forerunner ships throughout the war.

  • 11.01.2011 10:24 AM PDT

They come now... and they take us... the tide rises.


Posted by: FTW 1997
It can...Its stated in the link of my previous post just read that thread and it will explain ...they came to forerunners on bio ships.


No, I wanted to say: a massive space organism like a bio-ship. Mothership of a space swarm and controlled or part of the Gravemind. Much bigger than High Charity. Capable to destroy all planetary defensive weapons and entire fleets. It all depends on how much biomass can acquire the Flood.

  • 11.01.2011 10:24 AM PDT

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KOTOR

I thought the Flood came as a dried powdery substance from some random nebula into human space

  • 11.01.2011 10:53 AM PDT

Who's got AIDS?

What's "Zerg?"

  • 11.01.2011 11:04 AM PDT


Posted by: Tanner113
What's "Zerg?"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVsTrLW_04U

The zerg be the aliens. This is a small group.

  • 11.01.2011 11:06 AM PDT


Posted by: Spartan319

Posted by: FTW 1997
It can...Its stated in the link of my previous post just read that thread and it will explain ...they came to forerunners on bio ships.


No, I wanted to say: a massive space organism like a bio-ship. Mothership of a space swarm and controlled or part of the Gravemind. Much bigger than High Charity. Capable to destroy all planetary defensive weapons and entire fleets. It all depends on how much biomass can acquire the Flood.


I believe it was in Soma the Painter where we see our first example of Flood bio-ships during their initial strike against the Forerunners, though I don't know if on the scale you're talking about (never read the story). Though biologically, the Flood can build whatever they need to fit any situation once the coordinated stage is reached, so theoretically your "mother ship" could work. It just needs the materials and strategical requirement for Gravemind to do so.

This fight is dependant on the evolutionary level of the Flood entirely; Feral stage Flood would lose extremely fast. Coordinated and interstellar+ stages would either almost definitely or most certaintly see the Flood win, especially if their captured technology is taken into account.

  • 11.01.2011 12:50 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Spartan319

Posted by: FTW 1997
It can...Its stated in the link of my previous post just read that thread and it will explain ...they came to forerunners on bio ships.


No, I wanted to say: a massive space organism like a bio-ship. Mothership of a space swarm and controlled or part of the Gravemind. Much bigger than High Charity. Capable to destroy all planetary defensive weapons and entire fleets. It all depends on how much biomass can acquire the Flood.


I believe it was in Soma the Painter where we see our first example of Flood bio-ships during their initial strike against the Forerunners, though I don't know if on the scale you're talking about (never read the story). Though biologically, the Flood can build whatever they need to fit any situation once the coordinated stage is reached, so theoretically your "mother ship" could work. It just needs the materials and strategical requirement for Gravemind to do so.

This fight is dependant on the evolutionary level of the Flood entirely; Feral stage Flood would lose extremely fast. Coordinated and interstellar+ stages would either almost definitely or most certaintly see the Flood win, especially if their captured technology is taken into account.

I agree with that idea but I would rule it out immediately. If they were to make a bioship the size of Charity it would require massive amounts of biomass, think planets worth. It would also be impractical because if it was destroyed, which it would be, it would mean billions of potential combat forms going down the drain. Much better to infect other ships.

  • 11.01.2011 12:54 PM PDT

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  • 11.01.2011 12:59 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Spartan319

Posted by: FTW 1997
It can...Its stated in the link of my previous post just read that thread and it will explain ...they came to forerunners on bio ships.


No, I wanted to say: a massive space organism like a bio-ship. Mothership of a space swarm and controlled or part of the Gravemind. Much bigger than High Charity. Capable to destroy all planetary defensive weapons and entire fleets. It all depends on how much biomass can acquire the Flood.


I believe it was in Soma the Painter where we see our first example of Flood bio-ships during their initial strike against the Forerunners, though I don't know if on the scale you're talking about (never read the story). Though biologically, the Flood can build whatever they need to fit any situation once the coordinated stage is reached, so theoretically your "mother ship" could work. It just needs the materials and strategical requirement for Gravemind to do so.

This fight is dependant on the evolutionary level of the Flood entirely; Feral stage Flood would lose extremely fast. Coordinated and interstellar+ stages would either almost definitely or most certaintly see the Flood win, especially if their captured technology is taken into account.

I agree with that idea but I would rule it out immediately. If they were to make a bioship the size of Charity it would require massive amounts of biomass, think planets worth. It would also be impractical because if it was destroyed, which it would be, it would mean billions of potential combat forms going down the drain. Much better to infect other ships.


I'd imagine this would be a fantastic project for the GM if he was in the intergalactic stage, where he effectively is both A) unstoppable short of divine intervention and B) has the limitless biomass of the universe's denizens to consume. But that's why I said theoretical.

The scary part is when you realize this mother ship would technically be a living intelligent organism controlled by Gravemind, instead of just a regular ship. The damage that thing could inflict on the creatures of any race ever would be terrifying.


Posted by: Spartan 100
Pure forms...


I was waiting for someone to point this out. I assume you're referring to cmdr saying the Zerg don't need to infect to reproduce?

Its for that reason that I say a Feral stage Flood infection would lose, since it is only then that what cmdr posted applies. Everything after that would eat the Swarm for breakfast.

[Edited on 11.01.2011 1:08 PM PDT]

  • 11.01.2011 1:06 PM PDT

They come now... and they take us... the tide rises.

I think this type of bio-ships are presents in outer-galaxy space.

  • 11.01.2011 1:18 PM PDT
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SC = Supreme Commander/Supreme Canadian.

De Facto leader of the military of the APE (Allied Planets Empire).

Coup = Admiral Asskicker, ZPM hive ship

Is this the Feral stage? If it is, then the Flood lose.

Coordinated stage is when the Flood's true horror is revealed. This is when the Zerg start to lose. Omegalisks are still dangerous though.

Forerunner era LF.Xx.3273 + Timeless One... link

  • 11.01.2011 6:47 PM PDT

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a good topic would be wether the gravemind would be able to make biomass ships and if it can how does it do so. also to feed itself does it start farms to keep itself alive.

  • 11.01.2011 7:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
Forerunner era LF.Xx.3273 + Timeless One... link

Sometimes I think you have that picture bookmarked.

  • 11.01.2011 7:33 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

I don't think they can "make" ships in the way of taking a lot of bio mass and building a ship; but they can certainly modify existing material as seen in the Truth and Reconciliation and High Charity to name a few examples.

  • 11.01.2011 7:34 PM PDT