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Posted by: Wolverfrog
The Great Schism did just what it said; created a great schism. It fractured the Covenant and that's that.


Meanwhile on Sanghelios...

Grr, we must kill the humans even though all reasoning behind that was proven to be a lie from the Prophets who promptly betrayed us.

Covenant AIs were first introduced nearly a decade a go and we never got much on them from Bungie; because 343i haven't explained yet too that makes them the bad guy?

Since they continue the Halo franchise now and could've done so numerous times, yes.

Gamma Company hasn't been mentioned yet, doesn't mean it won't be.

Nevermind the fact the first post-war book never bothered.

Do you play Halo CE and -blam!- about how there's no Supreme Commander in it

No, because everything has been explained regarding the presence of the Supreme Commander, ie the HGN, Halo 2 and First Strike.


and how you had to buy Halo 2 to see what the Covenant's true motivations and inner-workings are?

Not really, the past books gave a basic overview of their hierarchy.

  • 11.23.2011 4:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101
They could make augmentations standard along with some upgraded SPI armor. That would be a whole lot cheaper and far more beneficial than another spartan program.


I don't think this is a Spartan program in the sense we know it. These people probably won't be wearing MJOLNIR, over 7 foot tall and beating down Sangheili with their bare hands.

Who says they won't soon make augmentations standard, anyway? And just because ONI managed to get someone onto High Charity it doesn't mean he could blow the thing up; details on how and why he was on the station are still incredibly thin beyond a few lines in Evolutions (I'm assuming that's who you're talking about.)


Um these spartans are going to be fitted with mark 7.


The fact that the have a Spartan IV project sucking all the money in a state of "economical collapse" says otherwise.

Break that down and you will see the issue.


1. This was before The fall of Reach Thus The part of REDFLAG finding HC is null if they already knew where it was.


2.Do you honestly believe that they only sent one person into HC?


If they could get that close to HC and knew that it doesn't make sense that they didn't try to damage it. If they could get a ship let alone a person pass the insane security measures then any sane person woudl try to blow it up.



Just get a prowler that has a few Hornet nukes, Shiva's, and about 4 bookbags filled with fury tactical nukes; and you can do some serious damage to HC.



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Posted by: Wolverfrog

I don't think this is a Spartan program in the sense we know it. These people probably won't be wearing MJOLNIR, over 7 foot tall and beating down Sangheili with their bare hands.



If so, then they didn't exactly have to make it a Spartan Program. They finally could've used the name Project: JAVELIN to good use.


That's like saying they shouldn't have called the SIIIs Spartans because they're not as proficient as Spartan IIs. Perhaps the project is called JAVELIN; they're just called SIVs the same way Project: ORION candidates are referred to as SIs.



They weren't proficient because they were never given a chance are are suicide soldiers. That doesn't change anything since they are still SIVs.



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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
So like the Great Schism and it's lessons and Covenant AIs, Gamma Company is going to just become another forgotten subject?


Covenant AIs were first introduced nearly a decade a go and we never got much on them from Bungie; because 343i haven't explained yet too that makes them the bad guy? Gamma Company hasn't been mentioned yet, doesn't mean it won't be.

Do you play Halo CE and -blam!- about how there's no Supreme Commander in it and how you had to buy Halo 2 to see what the Covenant's true motivations and inner-workings are?


We don't know too much about the covenant in general so that isn't a good example and we are nagging Travis not 343.

Is it really needed for you to act out like that?

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  • 11.23.2011 4:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
The Great Schism did just what it said; created a great schism. It fractured the Covenant and that's that.

There was more to it than just the "When" and the "What". There were the "Why" aspects too, which were expected to have further implications but appear to have been truncated after the main event was said and done.

  • 11.23.2011 5:02 PM PDT

Heck grey, remember how the one Admiral wanted the Covenant to try to pack up the NOVA bomb and take it to one of their home planets?

ONI could've packed that prototype and gotten in onboard HC. Set the timer, run like hell. Bam, Covenant is crippled as nearly the entire Prophet population was on HC.

  • 11.23.2011 11:52 PM PDT

NOVA bombs weren't around when the spook infiltrated High Charity. For all we know the only reason a human got on board was because perhaps a few kig-yar dissidents smuggled him there without revealing its location.

It seems likely.

  • 11.24.2011 12:50 AM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
NOVA bombs weren't around when the spook infiltrated High Charity. For all we know the only reason a human got on board was because perhaps a few kig-yar dissidents smuggled him there without revealing its location.

It seems likely.


Funny, cause we haven't a clue when the guy got in.

Though that entire scene makes no sense due to the fact he witnessed brute chieftains up close and wasn't sniffed out.

  • 11.24.2011 6:25 AM PDT

yas334229812

He may have been low on this mission and could not show his movements which is why he could not take anything or discuss with anyone. These are usually lone wolf missions, where one man goes out of their perimeter of expertise to get info on the enemies home world and then get out.

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
NOVA bombs weren't around when the spook infiltrated High Charity. For all we know the only reason a human got on board was because perhaps a few kig-yar dissidents smuggled him there without revealing its location.

It seems likely.
what about the nukes the size of a football like in first strike? they could have brought one or two of those.

  • 11.24.2011 12:40 PM PDT


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Posted by: Wolverfrog
NOVA bombs weren't around when the spook infiltrated High Charity. For all we know the only reason a human got on board was because perhaps a few kig-yar dissidents smuggled him there without revealing its location.

It seems likely.
what about the nukes the size of a football like in first strike? they could have brought one or two of those.


Or using that same method to get the Spartans in?

  • 11.24.2011 1:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
NOVA bombs weren't around when the spook infiltrated High Charity. For all we know the only reason a human got on board was because perhaps a few kig-yar dissidents smuggled him there without revealing its location.

It seems likely.


Funny, cause we haven't a clue when the guy got in.

Though that entire scene makes no sense due to the fact he witnessed brute chieftains up close and wasn't sniffed out.


They had masking scene. Remember, we do have masking scene and imagine how it advanced in 500 year's future. Also with Covenant at doorstep, its something that they would invent new odor blocking technology to allow them to sneak past Brutes.

  • 11.24.2011 2:09 PM PDT

Okay personally I don't understand "masking scene." but it's not the only thing that bugged me about it.

For one, they should've at least hinted/explained how the heck they got the guy on high charity.

Edit: Unless you mean masking scent... That makes more sense.

Would've had to be really good I think to fool brutes.

[Edited on 11.24.2011 2:38 PM PST]

  • 11.24.2011 2:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Okay personally I don't understand "masking scene." but it's not the only thing that bugged me about it.

For one, they should've at least hinted/explained how the heck they got the guy on high charity.

maybe he means masking scent?

  • 11.24.2011 2:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: Wolverfrog
NOVA bombs weren't around when the spook infiltrated High Charity. For all we know the only reason a human got on board was because perhaps a few kig-yar dissidents smuggled him there without revealing its location.

It seems likely.
what about the nukes the size of a football like in first strike? they could have brought one or two of those.

If they are only the size of a football they could have smuggled in one or two in a small backpack. Why didn't the UNSC send the guy in there to gather intelligence then instruct him to blow the place when he is done?

  • 11.24.2011 2:41 PM PDT

yas334229812

One thing to ask is if he did get inside or did he see it from afar. Also was he hiding in a ship, and had to remove all electronic gear. Remember if he had nukes they would be hard to keep with you and move from hiding spot to hiding spot, without getting noticed.

Overall, because High Charity keeps moving this might be why it was hard for them to send a second group because they would need the most recent coordinates which would be quite far from where it was when he was there.

Also it could have been from pure luck he got there and was not ready for it. A spy who struck gold, and was debriefed later of his encounter. It might have been luck, hiding from invading forces and found his way there.

Now if it was a human small ship that followed the ships through the ships own slipspace gates, then is it not likely that he had to keep his presence and electric signature low even when his ship of tiny size was quietly following them.


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  • 11.24.2011 2:56 PM PDT

The way it's described, he witnessed, in person and decently close, brute packs inside high charity.

  • 11.24.2011 3:07 PM PDT

yas334229812

Well it is big and it is quite easy to see from even quite afar. He could be using binoculors etc.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
NOVA bombs weren't around when the spook infiltrated High Charity. For all we know the only reason a human got on board was because perhaps a few kig-yar dissidents smuggled him there without revealing its location.

It seems likely.


Brutes have been in the covenant for 30 years and at the time of that story the war was at 20 years. So unless the NOVA bomb was created overnight i am sure it had several other prototype phases that would have gotten the job done.

It isn't likely whatsoever; rebels on good terms with Kig-Yar is one thing but to suggest that ONI was is completely out of the question.

  • 11.24.2011 5:21 PM PDT

yas334229812

Thats true, for me the idea is he had a small really high stealth ship which was used to piggyback on the covenant slipspace jumps. Remember they create a portal all he needs to do is go through the portal while the front half has gone through and then shut the engines down and slowly drift and follow the ship until he reaches High Charity.

Question is wether carrying a bomb would be too dangerous as it could release some signatures and if he had to move the ship manually as using an a.i. would release to great of an electronic signature. Another thing he may have used was what Han Solo did on the Empires star destroyers. Maybe he did the same thing in some hard to see places and shut the machine down while observing.

When the ship then returned to battlefield to well known human space it may have released of its ship pretend to be part of some scraps in space(space junk) and mainly waited till human ship were nearby before releasing a distress signal.

Although another theory was act as a stowaway.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: risay_117
Thats true, for me the idea is he had a small really high stealth ship which was used to piggyback on the covenant slipspace jumps. Remember they create a portal all he needs to do is go through the portal while the front half has gone through and then shut the engines down and slowly drift and follow the ship until he reaches High Charity.

Question is wether carrying a bomb would be too dangerous as it could release some signatures and if he had to move the ship manually as using an a.i. would release to great of an electronic signature. Another thing he may have used was what Han Solo did on the Empires star destroyers. Maybe he did the same thing in some hard to see places and shut the machine down while observing.

When the ship then returned to battlefield to well known human space it may have released of its ship pretend to be part of some scraps in space(space junk) and mainly waited till human ship were nearby before releasing a distress signal.

Although another theory was act as a stowaway.



First off if they even had that then they could have destroyed HC forever ago not to mention the sensors around high charity are insane.

A few bookbags filled with fury nukes isn't going to trip anything.



The stowaway "theory" has so many issues and flaws i don't even want to try explaining how improbable that would be.

  • 11.24.2011 5:44 PM PDT


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Posted by: Wolverfrog
NOVA bombs weren't around when the spook infiltrated High Charity. For all we know the only reason a human got on board was because perhaps a few kig-yar dissidents smuggled him there without revealing its location.

It seems likely.


Brutes have been in the covenant for 30 years and at the time of that story the war was at 20 years. So unless the NOVA bomb was created overnight i am sure it had several other prototype phases that would have gotten the job done.

It isn't likely whatsoever; rebels on good terms with Kig-Yar is one thing but to suggest that ONI was is completely out of the question.


I forgot about the big badges they all wear reading "ONI." How silly of me.

  • 11.25.2011 12:13 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Such a badge doesn't mean they can do anything. Seriously a character or organization that can do anything is something that even fan fiction writers look down upon.

  • 11.25.2011 12:15 AM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Such a badge doesn't mean they can do anything. Seriously a character or organization that can do anything is something that even fan fiction writers look down upon.


Oh wow, you really missed the humour and think I was referring to an actual badge?

Urgh, people...

  • 11.25.2011 12:17 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

I wasn't referring to the badge literally, but it's actually a valid point. I mean, ONI has since infiltrated High Charity, used a prison transport to test the Flood, somehow start a Spartan-IV program, craft a prototype starship loaded with Forerunner tech AND have funded an Elite civil war.

Is there anything they can't do?

  • 11.25.2011 12:22 AM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I wasn't referring to the badge literally


You were.

Is there anything they can't do?

They're like a competent Cerberus. But nothing they've done seems impossible; I still think the likeliest option for them infiltrating High Charity was having a kig-yar vessel take one man; its location is irrelevant because High Charity is obviously mobile. Using a prison transport to test the Flood just involves re-routing a prison transport, nothing too special. Again, SIV -- nothing special, just take some volunteers and make them super-soldiers. Infinity -- Forerunner technology is likely to be more receptive to humanity than Covenant technology, especially with Vergil helping. Funding the Sangheili civil war -- just give some of the dissidents weapons and stir up the pot a bit.

  • 11.25.2011 12:27 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

You believe what you want Wolverfrog, I was speaking figuratively, in hindsight I should've said that but I didn't.

Anyway, the Kig-Yar solution seems likely at first, but I find it hard to believe a human would be able to stealthily move around High Charity unnoticed. I mean it requires me to suspend my disbelief quite a bit.

As for the Mona Lisa, I get what you mean about re-routing a prison transport, but it also brings ups something that's been nagging me. Halsey broke a lot of rules to make the clones correct? If so, how can she be so chastised for her choice yet ONI approved essentially sacrificing human lives no matter how much you blame Smith for going rouge, they still approved the attempted weaponizing of the Flood.

The Spartan-IVs and Infinity to me fall under a big budget conflict. It's one thing to ask for volunteers, but where are the augmentations coming from? The armor, if they even use MJOLNIR that is? Heck, when did it even begin? With the Infinity, I just find it hard to believe that Forerunner tech was cracked so quickly and rapidly implemented in a human ship, much less paid for with the UNSC economy is shambles.

  • 11.25.2011 12:36 AM PDT