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Posted by: mr_Sh4dy
As long as there is a generation alive who has experienced the war it will be remembered and none will be forgiven. Imagine a 10 year old earth born kid who lost his parents during the war, he lives as long as Parangosky will. Do you think he'll forget/forgive these aliens who killed them?
If most children of Humanity are raised orphans then yes I can see this being a massive contributor. Are most Human children in that time period orphans? The Covenant did not leave many survivors in their wake, and whatever colonies survived are quite untouched, and have not felt the effects of the Covenant on a personal level. I think you are assuming that all of Humanity was attacked all at once and that every single family lost someone. Besides the fact of the Inner colonies being sheltered by ONI Section II's propaganda machine, the personal effects have not hit home quite as badly as those who were actually attacked, of which I do not imagine there are many left. The remaining colonies, of which there are at least 4 named, are intact and were not touched as far as we know. Other than military serviceman and woman, they would not have lost much to the war. Venezia is an example of such a colony with Brutes, Grunts, Jackals and Humans all co-existing - that colony was never touched by a Covenant glassing beam.
Posted by: mr_Sh4dy
Thus you need atleast 100years for the youngest generation to die out, and then there is the generation raised in the ashes of a devastating war. Having to clean up the rubble the war left, and to restore glassed planets. Until all those sins have washed away there's no forgetting such a devastating war.
This applies to Earth most certainly, but not to practically every other colony that is still intact, like Lenapi, Forseti, Minister or Venezia. No rubble on these worlds. These people were, as Osman described of Earth, sheltered from the true nature of the war.
Posted by: mr_Sh4dy
Also the war with the Covenant started because the prophets used a forerunner detection device which highlights humans. This could've endangered the position of the prophets and that's why the order was given to exterminate all humans.
A reason which could have been used to make them seem like less of the cruel, xenocidal conquerors that most Humans will undoubtedly see them as at this point and more like the misled followers of a doomed faith who would not have done this had the puppeteers not had their chance at power. This is one thing that annoyed me about the novel. Regardless of whether people would accept this, no Elite makes the attempt, either to a Human or himself. Instead we just get this worthless Jul 'Mdama tripe. Anyway.
Posted by: mr_Sh4dy
Humans destroying the halo's didn't help win them support with the covenant either, especially the elites.
There's no way you can agree to such reasoning. The elites have to go on their knees and then some before anyone forgives. But since the elites are too stuborn and hardly try to understand humans it will take miracle.
As things stand, yes. Actually, from Glasslands perspective I guess I agree with you. Had the author done a bit more research though I feel this would not be the case, thus the points above. As for this bit, Traviss' opinion on how the Elites should behave after the war I find to be really nonsensical given how there was this zeitgeist about the nature of the war and the religion that they served which was the whole reason behind Truth excommunicating them and then trying to exterminate them. With Glasslands here, why did Truth get rid of the Elites? I mean from what I see, it seems like they would have had absolutely no problems finishing Humanity without batting an eye and then lighting the rings. But no, Truth now does something incredibly stupid that is convenient enough for Humanity to win with seemingly no reasoning behind it. The only real reason would be if the Elites were no longer trustworthy, and we have seen quite a lot of evidence of this. I don't believe the Great Schism was meant to be a shallow, lazy plot twist like that.