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This is officially either the greatest or worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars. I'm going with the former.
Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Spartan 100
You don't like halo, then get out.
There is one canon. It's fixed, it's that.
You are like a little kid. You scream and cry unsupported declarative statements that contribute nothing of substance.
At no point did I say that I did not like Halo. You be very careful, because I did not say or imply that. My explanation for that went right over your head, so I will break it down for you:
The first 3 games were worked on by the team of writers and producers at Bungie - Staten, Parsons, Jones and a few others. It is their story. They and only they really know what Halo is about. Everyone else can take guesses based upon reasonable evidence and have their own opinions and interpretations. However, it is all inside the Bungie writers heads. Where is has been and where it is going, what it was telling us, what its purpose was etc, only they truly know. Anything Nylund and the other authors wrote drew heavily on notes created by those guys in shaping the over-arching Halo story. Any novels were closely supervised by Staten and Parsons. They set the guidelines and the key points in each novel.
Now we have 343 Industries, none of whom worked on that original story all those years ago. The people who originally crafted Halo's story are no longer in charge of what is and what is not canon, and how these stories evolve. The people at 343 Industries have their own opinions and interpretations of the canon with no oversight at Bungie. What is canon now is due to legal concerns and copyrights.
Posted by: Spartan 100
The great schism hasn't been ignored but I fail to see how you people imagine people. The book is still pretty realistic to me and I was facinated when I read it. I asked myself what was wrong with the people who say she's a bad author when I was in the middle of reading it.
Some brutes are still against the elites you know? Not every person of the same race thinks alike you know?
No one is saying that they do.
Quite a few Elites view Brutes as trustworthy, stable, competent and worthy enough to be their allies. (It has to be many, otherwise those Brutes would be ousted by angry mobs) This is quite a stretch for the Sangheili to make, yet not impossible. But hey, Humans are still worse apparently, despite the fact that Bungie had been dropping hints for years that they never thought that. How can they consider these Brutes to be more trustworthy and worthy than Humanity after how quickly they rose to slaughter the Sangheili in the Schism? They think "Not all Brutes are the same" but then turn around and say "All Humans are liars, thieves and vermin to be exterminated." This is what I am talking about. Bungie drops hints all throughout their canon, and then as soon as we see what 343i does with the same time period, it is all erased from the face of existence.
I maintain that there are two "canons". I should get Paulmarv to come in here...
I disagree with the 'Two canon' opinion that I've seen a few times here on Bnet.
It reminds me a bit of some of the old 'EU is Canon'/'Eu isn't Canon' discussions about Star Wars that I was in back in the day, as more and more I'm seeing the similarities between the two.
I'm sure that Jones, Staten and Parsons had plenty of ideas on where to take the future of the Halo series, and I'm sure that they would be different in many ways than some of the plots and storylines that are occurring under 343's stewardship.
The thing is, Bungie handed over those reins with full consent. If they had wanted to keep on making Halo games for years to come, I'm sure that Microsoft would have been more than happy to oblige them, but they decided not to. Like it or not, 343's the new sheriff in town.
I realize that having a franchise leave it's original creator(s) is a rather daunting prospect(For instance, I will not read any Sherlock Holmes stories not written by Doyle, and I can't imagine anyone other than JK Rowling penning Harry Potter books.), but when that same original creator gives full consent, you just have to take the good with the bad.
Look again at Star Wars. There are some people that maintain that the only things in the SW universe that are canon are the events in the movies, and that all of the EU material is analagous to the Star Trek series-non canon, it didn't happen.
Of course, George Lucas gave his permission and blessing to the EU material, and despite his disintrest in it, it still means that it's canon.
It'd be interesting to see a similar canon system set up, though, where events in the games trump everything else, and so on.
Here's an example:
'B' Canon-Canon in the titles published by Bungie.
'G' Canon- Canon in other video games not created by Bungie.
'N' Canon- Canon in the various Halo Novels, regardless of author.
'C' Canon- Canon in the various Halo comic book series.
'O' Canon- Canon in any other media not listed above.
'U' Canon- Ambiguous canon, aka material without any other sources to back it up.
'N' Canon- Non-canon. Consider it a 'what-if' story, similar to the Star Wars Infinities series.
It'd be similar to this.
I might make a thread about this sometime...