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Trying to find what makes them think like that.

  • 11.02.2011 10:05 AM PDT

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I believe they don't seem to understand certain things.

  • 11.02.2011 10:33 AM PDT

yas334229812

here is an analogy some are saying the glass is half full the other are saying it is half empty.

Its the way you look at it, although you are hitting the same point you just aproach it differently.

  • 11.02.2011 10:56 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: I_olanmills_I
Half the book wouldn't exist if there weren't any sympathizers.

Sympathizers =/= Cold Hearted Pragmatists. If I do not kill someone just because I have no knife to kill them with rather than viewing murder as a disgraceful act, does that make me a good person with good intentions? No, because if I had a knife that person would probably be dead. The reason why Sangheili like Levu or Raia are not with Jul is not because they sympathize, it is because they lack the means to exterminate Humanity in an efficient manner.

Posted by: I_olanmills_I
In fact, it's not even about sympathizing/hating/or liking the other species. It's a cold war. Some Sangheili simply don't trust humans and vice-versa.

Same thing when you look at it deeply. They despise Humans because they seem to have it in their head that they are all pernicious liars that just cannot tell the truth to save themselves, and are moral charlatans with hardly any honour. Such hateful racism is the reason for the distrust. The distrust is a symptom, not a cause. They come hand in hand. It is evidently about the extreme prejudices.

Posted by: StealthSlasher2
What do you mean they "don't exist"?

They are in the same place that rocks dream about.

Posted by: StealthSlasher2
In regards to the Elites the perspective of the book is tied to what the Stanley team and Jul see. Both of which are focused on dealing with Telcam and his lot. Just because they're not dealing with the sympathizers directly does not mean they don't exist. And clearly given the fact that Telcam must resort to underhanded schemes to oust the Arbiter and his ideals, it would mean that the sympathizers represent a significant enough population to prevent Telcam from outright killing the Arbiter openly and usurping control of the planet.

If Jul fails, his entire family gets killed. He does not want to publicly announce his intentions because he fears for his family's sake. Announcing his dissent would mean getting into a duel with the Arbiter which he thinks that he would probably lose. Thus the espionage. 'Telcam's order is not synonymous with those who have a bitter hatred of Humanity. Many Sangheili do not agree with his religious beliefs, which is why he hides. Not because they have differing opinions on Humans.

When I talk of those "sympathizers", I talk about those with an actual conscience who say they think that it was wrong, and they think that they should either make up for it or back off and never bother Humanity again and go think about their actions long and hard. Those that actually want peace because it is right. Not these pragmatists who only want peace because they cannot continue the slaughter efficiently. What sort of a sympathizer is that? Because deep down, there really is no difference between the pragmatists in this scenario and Jul.

The point is that we see absolutely no positives in the story whatsoever. Almost every character Jul intersects with is either a deeply bitter character or a pragmatist who, if circumstances were more in their favor, would join him wholesale. He encounters no ideological resistance, other than Thel obviously. Are all the sympathizers on the other side of Sangheilios? Do they they hibernate? Or are they, in fact, impotent?

  • 11.02.2011 12:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan 100
I believe they don't seem to understand certain things.


Look, I know you are only good for sucking 343i's dick and defending them from anything resembling criticism, that's what fanboys like you do, but this isn't a hard thing to do. Take the time to read some of our complaints, like actually read them, and you will understand.

Risay_117 does.

[Edited on 11.02.2011 3:27 PM PDT]

  • 11.02.2011 3:27 PM PDT

yas334229812

I see what anton is saying, although there are elites who would not kill humans, the reason they do not is not a conscience and good reason cause but one because of their enemy is someone else and they need humans.

Overall they would be okay if humans survived but if the elites are sent on another war with humanity of genocide then these elites will gladly join without thinking. For them whether humanity lives or not is not important as they are low beings, it is none of their concern. If they are to killed they would do it and if not they wont.

  • 11.02.2011 4:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: StealthSlasher2
In regards to the Elites the perspective of the book is tied to what the Stanley team and Jul see. Both of which are focused on dealing with Telcam and his lot. Just because they're not dealing with the sympathizers directly does not mean they don't exist. And clearly given the fact that Telcam must resort to underhanded schemes to oust the Arbiter and his ideals, it would mean that the sympathizers represent a significant enough population to prevent Telcam from outright killing the Arbiter openly and usurping control of the planet.

If Jul fails, his entire family gets killed. He does not want to publicly announce his intentions because he fears for his family's sake. Announcing his dissent would mean getting into a duel with the Arbiter which he thinks that he would probably lose. Thus the espionage. 'Telcam's order is not synonymous with those who have a bitter hatred of Humanity. Many Sangheili do not agree with his religious beliefs, which is why he hides. Not because they have differing opinions on Humans.

When I talk of those "sympathizers", I talk about those with an actual conscience who say they think that it was wrong, and they think that they should either make up for it or back off and never bother Humanity again and go think about their actions long and hard. Those that actually want peace because it is right. Not these pragmatists who only want peace because they cannot continue the slaughter efficiently. What sort of a sympathizer is that? Because deep down, there really is no difference between the pragmatists in this scenario and Jul.

The point is that we see absolutely no positives in the story whatsoever. Almost every character Jul intersects with is either a deeply bitter character or a pragmatist who, if circumstances were more in their favor, would join him wholesale. He encounters no ideological resistance, other than Thel obviously. Are all the sympathizers on the other side of Sangheilios? Do they they hibernate? Or are they, in fact, impotent?


Who says I'm referring to Jul as one of your "sympathizers"? Like I said, because of the character perspective focus, we're only able to see the thoughts and behaviors of Elites like Jul, Telcam, and their particular lot from their perspective as well as from the perspective of the Stanley team.

Look at Jul again. he actively seeks only the people that agree with his standpoint and tries to discreetly locate like minded individuals. You said it yourself and that can be observed. Jul was fearful of publicly announcing his intent. Combine that with his search for likeminded individuals why would he be in a situation where he goes head to head with someone of the complete opposite position ideologically? He doesn't. Instead he ends up further down the line to the extremist wing of the same side of the spectrum and ends up in Telcam and company's employ almost right away. Where is there room and motivation for him to go and seek out people opposed to his opinion?

There's is nothing to indicate those Elites are in any sort of majority. That said, there is easily room for the type of sympathizers you speak of to exist. Quite simply, in this book, none of the characters directly deal with those people and thus they're not mentioned. Just because they're not mentioned does not write them out of existence all of a sudden.

  • 11.02.2011 10:44 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Who says I'm referring to Jul as one of your "sympathizers"?

No one. How did you arrive at this conclusion? What I said was, is that at a deeper level, the pragmatists like Levu who we thought where truly on the Arbiter's side are really no different than Jul. All that stays their blade is the fact that they cannot wage war anymore. Given more ships, weapons and resources, and it sounds like these Pragmatists would be on Jul's side. The Arbiter's list of true followers grows ever smaller.

Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Like I said, because of the character perspective focus, we're only able to see the thoughts and behaviors of Elites like Jul, Telcam, and their particular lot from their perspective as well as from the perspective of the Stanley team.

Look at Jul again. he actively seeks only the people that agree with his standpoint and tries to discreetly locate like minded individuals. You said it yourself and that can be observed. Jul was fearful of publicly announcing his intent. Combine that with his search for likeminded individuals why would he be in a situation where he goes head to head with someone of the complete opposite position ideologically? He doesn't. Instead he ends up further down the line to the extremist wing of the same side of the spectrum and ends up in Telcam and company's employ almost right away. Where is there room and motivation for him to go and seek out people opposed to his opinion?

There was plenty of room for him to encounter someone of the opposite belief, particularly before he finds 'Telcam and his bunch. It also does not require him to become a public figurehead and go "head-to-head" with someone as if it were some sort of outwardly formal (Or informal) public debate. As he searches discreetly, would it have been impossible for him to mistake someone as having a different belief to what they truly held? He tried his hand with Levu, and was unsuccessful. Except that Levu is really no different than Jul, so no true moral conscience is found there. It is entirely possible for him to have prodded someone else and found them to have an actual conscience over what they did. That does not happen. I mean, he travels quite far and wide - from rural areas to urban cities at places like Ontom, and we see no indication of it. None.

Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Quite simply, in this book, none of the characters directly deal with those people and thus they're not mentioned.

And so I ask myself why this should be the case. There was nothing stopping it from being conveyed through either Levu or Raia yet she chose to give these two characters exactly the same pragmatic beliefs. So I ask why, in the post Halo 3 world, this should not be made apparent. I take a look at the author, who by her own admission admits to sometimes having to strip down and rebuild chartacters, who only looks at the bare facts and nothing else. I think she has only done two things when looking at the Human-Covenant war - Saw "30 year war" and "Genocide" and then said, "Right, I've got it". Look at Philips, who says somewhere in chapter 4:

"Look, I know the Sangheili. They despise us. There's no forgive and forget, not after nearly thirty years of killing each other. The only reason they split from the Covenant and allied with us was because the Prophets were trying to exterminate them. Hardly the basis for a lasting marriage, is it?"

When you ask yourself the question, " Of exactly what value was the utterly flattened UNSC war machine to the Elites in Halo 3?", this "re-construction" of the Great Schism, the events leading up to it and the alliance in Halo 3, is utterly fatuous. So one Frigate, The Forward Unto Dawn, changed the outcome of the Space battle over the Ark, and the Elites knew this was a likely outcome from the start did they? How exactly did the UNSC help the Elites fight the Covenant? How could they? If the Elites utterly despised Humanity, and saw how worthless the UNSC war machine was in those last days (Which it obviously was. I think that the UNSC would be pulling all assets back to stop Truth from activating the Portal, which they thought was the Ark at that point), why did they even think about allying with them? It makes no sense. This tawdry re-application of the Great Schism sticks out like a sore thumb and suggests that the author did not bother with the finer details and just focused on the "30 year war" part and the "Genocide" part.

[Edited on 11.03.2011 12:03 PM PDT]

  • 11.03.2011 11:56 AM PDT

I'm about 100 pages in so far and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. I think many of you are just missing the point of this -blam!-, to be honest. I think it's perfectly capturing the tone of a post-war universe in which two generations have known nothing but war.

Very few issues with it right now, maybe a little jarring how Halsey and Mendez are at odds with each other. But this is definitely more engaging than Nylund's one-dimensional stuff.

  • 11.03.2011 4:24 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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It's hard to grasp the post-war mood when you only see the two main sides negative sides only.

  • 11.03.2011 5:03 PM PDT

War doesn't leave happiness in its wake, only despair and loss.

  • 11.03.2011 5:08 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
War doesn't leave happiness in its wake, only despair and loss.


And that's an excuse to only show the anti-human mindset of the Elites when we know a lot of them respected humanity during the war for our tenacity and defiance?

  • 11.03.2011 5:31 PM PDT

yas334229812

maybe many lost loved ones during the war.

The ones that respected humanity were the ones whos story were recorded.

The other portion who did not have their story recorded we do not know.

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Posted by: flamedude
So..... she's just rewriting characters as she sees fit. Great. Thats the problem with the Halo expanded universe, too many cooks.
I couldn't agree more. It was fine back when it was just Eric Nylund and a few other people like the story writer for the games. Karen's work is practically trash compared to them. Even Cole Protocol which had a different feel than all the other books, was better than her book.

  • 11.03.2011 5:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: anton1792
Well, I fail to see how genocide is a morally grey area nor how anyone with a properly functional brain could think that, or sympathize at all with the Sangheili characters in this book promoting it. Whilst I was reading it, I was honestly hoping that ONI would win and finish the Elites off forever. It was honestly that repulsive that it makes you want to tread on your own beliefs. It is quite literally, "Let's make amends for our genocide against Humanity by committing more genocide and finishing the job!" And not a single Sangheili character even gets uneasy at that thought. Even within the Arbiter's own camp there are Sangheili, like Levu 'Mdama who we thought was all meek and mild, who would happily slide their blades across Human throats if it were not for the fact that they have no plasma blades to do so with. (Figuratively speaking of course, they obviously still have those...) It is only pragmatism in that they cannot wage war anymore that stops them, rather than a pursuit of a clean conscience.

So from where I am standing it looks quite easy to see who is "good" and who is "bad". Humans (Good) Vs Sangheili (Evil). Unless self-defense is suddenly immoral and genocide is suddenly moral, then I cannot see how it is any other way. Jul's motivations may make sense to him, but so did the Son of Sam's killings make sense to himself. Just because it made sense to him does not mean that it is "morally grey". I preferred Bungie's take on the Elites where they doubted the Humans as being worthless heretics and doubted the wars validity. No one that works at 343i worked on Halo's story back in the day anyway so its not like I am being arrogant. A few fans with copyrights hardly reflect what the canon truly is. The original writers at Bungie with that original vision do and it is obvious, at least to me, that there are two sets of "Halo" canon now.


couldn't agree more, nothing would satisfy me more right now (other than reading primordium) than to watch ONI wipe the elites out. Reading glasslands took the dislike I had for the elites from before (their society, mentality and exaggerated strength) and swelled it into a deep hatred.

However, as you pointed out, there are effectively 2 canons right now, although some may beg to differ, and we somehow have to reconcile these 2 canons to form one cohesive picture. The lesson we come to from doing this (all fanboyism aside) is that despite whatever happened in the great schism, the elites did not learn anything and have returned to their barbaric and genocidal ways. And so, the logical approach looking at it from ONI's perspective (once again, all fanboyism aside) is to destroy the race that once nearly destroyed you over the "great journey", and still wants to destroy you just because they don't like you. In other words, wipe out the elites, the galaxy would be better off without them.

  • 11.03.2011 6:33 PM PDT


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Posted by: Wolverfrog
War doesn't leave happiness in its wake, only despair and loss.


And that's an excuse to only show the anti-human mindset of the Elites when we know a lot of them respected humanity during the war for our tenacity and defiance?


Respect=/=like. I hate Hitler. But I no less respect his brilliance as a leader.

And yes, it does, because the next two books will likely be about the devoloping relationship between Elites and humans. Karen started us off with the staunchest anti-humanity defenders probably to show how they are either converted to being reasonable, or are otherwise silenced.

You people seem to forget that this is the first of a trilogy, a trilogy that will have questions that will be answered.

Oh, and then there's this:
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
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Look, I know you are only good for sucking 343i's dick and defending them from anything resembling criticism, that's what fanboys like you do



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  • 11.03.2011 6:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: qirahs
However, as you pointed out, there are effectively 2 canons right now, although some may beg to differ, and we somehow have to reconcile these 2 canons to form one cohesive picture. The lesson we come to from doing this (all fanboyism aside) is that despite whatever happened in the great schism, the elites did not learn anything and have returned to their barbaric and genocidal ways. And so, the logical approach looking at it from ONI's perspective (once again, all fanboyism aside) is to destroy the race that once nearly destroyed you over the "great journey", and still wants to destroy you just because they don't like you. In other words, wipe out the elites, the galaxy would be better off without them.

It will be a short war. If the UNSC have the capability to build a Forerunner enhanced warship then surely they could build a single NOVA bomb. The Sangheili can only regress technologically; the UNSC emerged the stronger for the long term out of the two.

But yeah, looks like Humanity and the Sangheili will be eternal, mortal enemies now that Glasslands is canon. Humanity cannot have an ignoble, bloodthirsty and aggressive species running around abusing the galaxy by committing genocide wherever it damn well pleases, nor allow them to steal Forerunner technology and purport that they have the "divine connection". That is mutually incompatible with Humanity's inheritance. (Not that the Sangheili would make very good Mantle Carriers now. They would probably use it as an excuse to commit more genocide in Traviss's post Halo 3...) I am sure that Humanity being Reclaimers would only infuriate the Sangheili more by making them jealous.

So, the trilogy by Bungie ended with a distinct tone of hope for the future between the two, and then Glasslands comes along and plunges it back into the depths of hell. As far as I am concerned the Human-Covenant "drama" ended there, as it was intended to. This is no better than those bloody Star Wars books and comics that resurrected Emperor Palpatine after the events of RoTJ.

  • 11.03.2011 7:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: Old Salty27


Thank you.

I feel like the series has changed so much since it left Bungie's hands that it's not even the same story anymore. The Forerunner/Human history, the re-writing of much loved characters, new unmentioned Spartans popping out of the blue, forerunner tech on human ships months after the war. What the hell? I understand that 343 is run by people that love Halo, many of them being originally fans of the series, but that doesn't mean they should have continued the series when Bungie, the series creators specifically wanted to end the series with Halo 3. Could Bungie have wanted to continue the story eventually? The Halo 3 legendary ending left the possibility open, but the folks at Bungie wanted to move on to something else and to gain independence from MS and the cost of that freedom was the right's to their baby. I've said it before and have even been called a fanboy for it, but I still feel the original trilogy and the expanded canon related to it was vastly better than anything that 343 has pumped out.


Agreed, ever since i watched Halo Legends i new 343i would -blam!- the series royally, its like they are pumping out any old story just to get money, but i still gave them a chance, then i read Halo cryptum, yet again i was disappointed as just like Halo Legends it broke canon.
When i played gears 3 i thought to myself that yeah maybe Halo Glasslands would be a good read since karen did a good enough job on gears 3, but now im reading about how -blam!- the book is (and ive already ordered it ffs), even karen (and greg) admitted to knowing nothing about the Halo universe, im sure the fans could come up with better storys that stay true to Halo, just because Karen Travis and Greg Bear are good writers doesnt make them suitable to write a halo story. Im starting to get the feeling again that 343i is -blam!- up the Halo universe yet again.

  • 11.03.2011 8:20 PM PDT

In regards to novels and "canon". I will pick and choose which ones to support as I damn well please. Cryptum and Glasslands are irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

Don't like that? Boo hoo.

Sure they're "canon" but that doesn't mean I have to support them, their existence, or the continued careers of their respective writers.

Posted by: anton1792
It will be a short war. If the UNSC have the capability to build a Forerunner enhanced warship then surely they could build a single NOVA bomb. The Sangheili can only regress technologically; the UNSC emerged the stronger for the long term out of the two.

The Warhammer 40,000 fan in me is jumping for joy at this prospect. Kill the xenos! Human dominance of the galaxy!

Posted by: anton1792
So, the trilogy by Bungie ended with a distinct tone of hope for the future between the two, and then Glasslands comes along and plunges it back into the depths of hell. As far as I am concerned the Human-Covenant "drama" ended there, as it was intended to. This is no better than those bloody Star Wars books and comics that resurrected Emperor Palpatine after the events of RoTJ.

Oh ho, that SW series was really terrible. I think the only good thing that came out of that was his ship, the Eclipse Star Dreadnaught. Jet black in color, the size of an Executor and with a miniature version of the Death Star superlaser built in. It was a hell of a lot more feasible than a moon-sized super weapon.

In regards to post Halo 3 that's how I always pictured it would be. I figured both humans and elites would have been exhausted by the war and want to rebuild their once great civilizations instead of keeping the blades at each others' throats.

But you know the typical changes to series' nowadays, it's gotta be darker, edgier, with more drama and gloom. On the bright side, at least it hasn't turned into Twilight.

  • 11.03.2011 8:23 PM PDT

yas334229812

next thing you know you have the enemy killing humans and these humans flesh being meshed with metal to make a part machine and part living enemy. Like the flood.

  • 11.03.2011 8:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Old Salty27


Thank you.

I feel like the series has changed so much since it left Bungie's hands that it's not even the same story anymore. The Forerunner/Human history, the re-writing of much loved characters, new unmentioned Spartans popping out of the blue, forerunner tech on human ships months after the war. What the hell? I understand that 343 is run by people that love Halo, many of them being originally fans of the series, but that doesn't mean they should have continued the series when Bungie, the series creators specifically wanted to end the series with Halo 3. Could Bungie have wanted to continue the story eventually? The Halo 3 legendary ending left the possibility open, but the folks at Bungie wanted to move on to something else and to gain independence from MS and the cost of that freedom was the right's to their baby. I've said it before and have even been called a fanboy for it, but I still feel the original trilogy and the expanded canon related to it was vastly better than anything that 343 has pumped out.


Agreed, ever since i watched Halo Legends i new 343i would -blam!- the series royally, its like they are pumping out any old story just to get money, but i still gave them a chance, then i read Halo cryptum, yet again i was disappointed as just like Halo Legends it broke canon.
When i played gears 3 i thought to myself that yeah maybe Halo Glasslands would be a good read since karen did a good enough job on gears 3, but now im reading about how -blam!- the book is (and ive already ordered it ffs), even karen (and greg) admitted to knowing nothing about the Halo universe, im sure the fans could come up with better storys that stay true to Halo, just because Karen Travis and Greg Bear are good writers doesnt make them suitable to write a halo story. Im starting to get the feeling again that 343i is -blam!- up the Halo universe yet again.


I must admit this is how I feel too. To me it seems that 343i is tasked with pumping out a regular stream of Halo anything to fill the Microsoft coffers, with an emphasis on regularity rather than quality. I really really want to be wrong about this and feel silly and then breathe a sigh of relief.

To me the quality of the story, and the considered focus and believable balance of the Bungie-era canon is in jeopardy of being abandoned altogether in this 343i world with an emphasis on simply throwing out whatever in the name of making a quick buck.

I am just waiting for the mention of something EVEN BIGGERER than the Halo weapons themselves, I can just feel it about to happen.

  • 11.04.2011 12:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: xxstrongbeer

Posted by: Old Salty27


Thank you.

I feel like the series has changed so much since it left Bungie's hands that it's not even the same story anymore. The Forerunner/Human history, the re-writing of much loved characters, new unmentioned Spartans popping out of the blue, forerunner tech on human ships months after the war. What the hell? I understand that 343 is run by people that love Halo, many of them being originally fans of the series, but that doesn't mean they should have continued the series when Bungie, the series creators specifically wanted to end the series with Halo 3. Could Bungie have wanted to continue the story eventually? The Halo 3 legendary ending left the possibility open, but the folks at Bungie wanted to move on to something else and to gain independence from MS and the cost of that freedom was the right's to their baby. I've said it before and have even been called a fanboy for it, but I still feel the original trilogy and the expanded canon related to it was vastly better than anything that 343 has pumped out.


Agreed, ever since i watched Halo Legends i new 343i would -blam!- the series royally, its like they are pumping out any old story just to get money, but i still gave them a chance, then i read Halo cryptum, yet again i was disappointed as just like Halo Legends it broke canon.
When i played gears 3 i thought to myself that yeah maybe Halo Glasslands would be a good read since karen did a good enough job on gears 3, but now im reading about how -blam!- the book is (and ive already ordered it ffs), even karen (and greg) admitted to knowing nothing about the Halo universe, im sure the fans could come up with better storys that stay true to Halo, just because Karen Travis and Greg Bear are good writers doesnt make them suitable to write a halo story. Im starting to get the feeling again that 343i is -blam!- up the Halo universe yet again.


I must admit this is how I feel too. To me it seems that 343i is tasked with pumping out a regular stream of Halo anything to fill the Microsoft coffers, with an emphasis on regularity rather than quality. I really really want to be wrong about this and feel silly and then breathe a sigh of relief.

To me the quality of the story, and the considered focus and believable balance of the Bungie-era canon is in jeopardy of being abandoned altogether in this 343i world with an emphasis on simply throwing out whatever in the name of making a quick buck.

I am just waiting for the mention of something EVEN BIGGERER than the Halo weapons themselves, I can just feel it about to happen.
I also agree with this. Although I'm enjoying Glasslands so far in terms of how it's written etc, the whole Spartan IV program, random new Spartans and forerunner tech on human ships is just plain stupid. In my opinion, Cryptum was plain terrible, it was poorly written and boring to read and I didn't really like the idea that the humans were once just as powerful as the Forerunners.

  • 11.04.2011 12:22 AM PDT