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Subject: Tartarus Vs Noble 6

I am a monument to all your sins

if N6 had a beam rifle...

  • 11.04.2011 2:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: anish panchalin
Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
Posted by: anish panchalin
charged plasma pistol EMP effect + other powerful weapons anyone??? I can't believe grey101 or anyone else never thought of this.

according to canon (contact harvest when that grunt deacon dadap EMP'd tartarus' shields and temporarily disabled it), a plasma pistol EMP blast can disable his shields.

If Noble six used this, he could win. However, if Bungie made it this easy in game for the player in H2 then the arbiter could have finished off tartarus in 5 seconds and the deaths of all those elites would have been completely uneccessary. This is why we can't use the EMP effect on tartarus in H2 gameplay but for canon, my above method still stands.



Contact Harvest is set years before Halo 2, for all we know his shields could have been upgraded, but you're probably right about that one.

But, how do we know that Taratus is unable to dodge the plasma bolt? Just because NPCs can't doesn't mean the actual characters can't.


tartarus wore the same armour that maccaebus (the previous chieftain of the brutes) wore after killing him. We know maccaebus' shields could take 10 or 30 (cannot remember which) battle rifles firing sustained bursts at him all at once. This seems to be shield strenght of the same extremity that we encounter in the H2 battle which supports my point that tartarus' armour is the same set that maccaebus wore.

Also, Noble six can fire as many charged plasma bolts as he wants. Knowing a massive ape like tartarus, who makes a big target, he could not dodge them all. and then? here come the powerful weapons, leading to an easy defeat of tartarus.

Why would Noble Six have a Plasma Pistol?
Why not just let Tartarus do the same then to Six and just shoot him?

  • 11.04.2011 2:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: anish panchalin
Knowing the plasma pistols EMP effect, why would six not use it? Yeah sure, tartarus could do the same but I think tartarus would rather utilise the hammer for ceremonial purposes. He is brute chieftain after all so wielding the hammer alone must be quite symbolic to him and his leadership over other brutes.

As to how Noble six could attain a plasma pistol? Kill a grunt. Yes, it is that simple.

This isn't Six vs Tartarus and a Grunt though. This situation is Noble Six, against Tartarus. No outside interference. That means he gets standard issue UNSC weapons.

[Edited on 11.04.2011 3:05 PM PDT]

  • 11.04.2011 3:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: anish panchalin
Who said it is compulsory for Noble Six to have only standard issue UNSC weapons in this fight? the 50% of earlier responses completely defied that by saying "if six had a beam rifle, he would/could win". Also, the OP doesn't explicitly state he's limited to UNSC weapons.
Furthermore, Spartans are trained to utilise whatever is on the battlefield, human or covenant. Knowing this, Noble six would have picked whatever works best (in this case, with infantry weapons it would be the charged plasma pistol emp bolt).

50% of earlier responses aren't looking at the situation logically and fairly. If I said US Marine vs North Korean Soldier you would assume that they're using their standard weaponry wouldn't you? It's logical to assume a faction is going to be using the weaponry of that faction.

As well, you want to remove as many variables as you can. Sure, they both could have a Cornucopia of weapons and the circumstance of the situation could be anything that may allow for Six to pick up different weapons. However, then it wouldn't be a neutral playing field and the results would be skewed because of this.

So if you want to look at it with a bias then you can say things like "Well Six can just come in with a Plasma Pistol, or pick one up off a convenient dead body." Fine by me. As long as you accept that it makes any outcome completely partial and biased since you're lending an environmental or unfair advantage towards one side.

[Edited on 11.04.2011 3:40 PM PDT]

  • 11.04.2011 3:40 PM PDT

FYI guys, I see talk about Tartarus' sheilding from Contact Harvest...lets ignore that it was over 25 years ago and there were probably advances in tech but talk about how his hammer is described to be nothing more then a large rock that doesn't defy gravity...It's suggested (I looked on wiki to fill in gap) that his hammer was upgraded in the 25 year gap and since he wears no shield projector on him it's suggested his hammer also produces the shield around him at the end of Halo 2.

Now I don't to go around saying pressumptions on the wiki are actuall facts but it seems to make alot more sense since Tartarus wear like NO armour so I doubt he is wearing his uncles old set.

So just to clear things up, sheild strength in Contact Harvest =/= Shield strength in Halo 2.

[Edited on 11.04.2011 4:51 PM PDT]

  • 11.04.2011 4:48 PM PDT

Death to rank junkies.

Large croup of Spec-ops Elites, Councillors, and Zealots > Noble 6

  • 11.04.2011 5:49 PM PDT

In regards to novels and "canon". I will pick and choose which ones to support as I damn well please. Cryptum and Glasslands are irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

Don't like that? Boo hoo.

Sure they're "canon" but that doesn't mean I have to support them, their existence, or the continued careers of their respective writers.

Posted by: Melkorpwn
Large croup of Spec-ops Elites, Councillors, and Zealots > Noble 6

And yet that large group of Elites managed to do absolutely nothing aside from getting themselves all killed.

  • 11.04.2011 6:16 PM PDT


Posted by: Astartes Marine
Posted by: Melkorpwn
Large croup of Spec-ops Elites, Councillors, and Zealots > Noble 6

And yet that large group of Elites managed to do absolutely nothing aside from getting themselves all killed.


I agree with previous statements...that's just gameplay mechanics. It's like you're actually suggesting that coucilers would actually do nothing in a non-game style fight...they would just walk around being meatshields...unlikely.

  • 11.04.2011 6:30 PM PDT

In regards to novels and "canon". I will pick and choose which ones to support as I damn well please. Cryptum and Glasslands are irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

Don't like that? Boo hoo.

Sure they're "canon" but that doesn't mean I have to support them, their existence, or the continued careers of their respective writers.

Posted by: Surperion93
I agree with previous statements...that's just gameplay mechanics. It's like you're actually suggesting that coucilers would actually do nothing in a non-game style fight...they would just walk around being meatshields...unlikely.

You would dabble in the what ifs, unknowns and possibles of the books. I've seen that many times before with other series' characters and many types of vs topic. It's just a lot of conjecture and "he could do this, or that guy could try that". Nothing is solid or defined enough to really use.

The game provides data that can be seen and understood which when it comes down to it those Elites weren't even necessary to the fight. All they did was die. If they had better AI then all that would have happened is we would have seen Tartarus die even faster. The only contest there was between the Arbiter and Tartarus, the rest were either distractions or pests. Even Johnson was unnecessary if you brought a Beam Rifle with you.

So regardless of whatever Tartarus was said to have been in whatever comic series or novel people keep referring to, he became what he was in Halo 2, just another weakling in a race of simple primitive savages.

  • 11.04.2011 6:54 PM PDT


Posted by: Astartes Marine
Posted by: Surperion93
I agree with previous statements...that's just gameplay mechanics. It's like you're actually suggesting that coucilers would actually do nothing in a non-game style fight...they would just walk around being meatshields...unlikely.

You would dabble in the what ifs, unknowns and possibles of the books. I've seen that many times before with other series' characters and many types of vs topic. It's just a lot of conjecture and "he could do this, or that guy could try that". Nothing is solid or defined enough to really use.

The game provides data that can be seen and understood which when it comes down to it those Elites weren't even necessary to the fight. All they did was die. If they had better AI then all that would have happened is we would have seen Tartarus die even faster. The only contest there was between the Arbiter and Tartarus, the rest were either distractions or pests. Even Johnson was unnecessary if you brought a Beam Rifle with you.

So regardless of whatever Tartarus was said to have been in whatever comic series or novel people keep referring to, he became what he was in Halo 2, just another weakling in a race of simple primitive savages.


I'd rather sitck with the "what ifs" and know that I have used some sort of logic in assuming these high ranking elites didn't fumble around like children. In the game Brutes drop like flies, in the books they have shown to be a tough enemy at some points. I never take gameplay mechanics as a source...it may be the only "sure things" data you have but it has been designed merely for enjoyment of the game not for how Elites would fight Tartarus.

Atleast it sounds more logical to say these high ranking elites probably engaged Tartarus in a more heated combat then running around being meatshields. I'm sorry but regardless of your case I will never just go 'Gameplay = 100% reliable in what happens in Vs discussions' especially when you can change the difficulty.

As for Tartatus being a weakling? I think that is a stupid statement, they are probably the strognest race during the war (except Hunters). Also everyone seems to forget...Noble 6 has power armour that roughly times his traits such as speed and strength by 2... Tartarus isn't walking around with Power armour? Noble 6 NEEDS that power armour to even stand a shred of chance for Tartarus.

[Edited on 11.04.2011 7:45 PM PDT]

  • 11.04.2011 7:05 PM PDT

Isaiah. M

"Man is lucky to be ignorant, for if he new the truth it would either destroy him or drive him mad."

Depending on the weaponnry and armor abilities Noble 6 is given, I wouldnt say that he has ABSOLUTELY no chance of winning this fight.

WITH SPRINT: Using a Sniper rifle and DMR he could outrun tartarus and shoot pop shots at him for a while, but when it runs out he's screwed so sprints out.

WITH INVISIBILITY: Using the Sniper rifle and DMR again he could do hit and hide tactics, and for people who say that tartarus can smell him, how does a scent travel out of an airtight suit? along with the jammer for if tartarus has motion tracking capabilities as well...his chances are slim but if pulled off right he could drop tartarus's shields and DMR his brains out.

WITH ARMOR LOCK: Now using a gravity hammer...remember whenever tartarus used the gravity hammer he was bounced into the air slightly?...using the armor lock to block tartarus's first swing he could exit it real quick and hammer him off the rings control platform...making tartarus fall to his death ending the match. So with armor lock, although his chances are still pretty slim he does have a chance with this setup.

WITH JET-PACK: With only sniper rifle...Noble 6 could jet-pack up to one of the scaffoldings in the HALO control center and snipe him out...and im giving him FULL sniper ammunition...you can play it out from there.... So with this set up he has a chance.

Im to lazy to give out more, but my main point is that Noble 6 has a chance....and he's killed his fair share of elites as well,(hyper-lethal vector) so dont completely count him out thats all im saying.

  • 11.04.2011 8:07 PM PDT

In regards to novels and "canon". I will pick and choose which ones to support as I damn well please. Cryptum and Glasslands are irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

Don't like that? Boo hoo.

Sure they're "canon" but that doesn't mean I have to support them, their existence, or the continued careers of their respective writers.

Posted by: Surperion93
As for Tartatus being a weakling? I think that is a stupid statement, they are probably the strognest race during the war (except Hunters).

Yeah, Tartarus is dead and his buddies lost the war with quite a lot of them got killed themselves or apparently put into servitude under Elites thanks to Karen Traviss...

Sheer physical strength is not the be all and end all. They lacked in quite a few other areas.


Posted by: Surperion93
Also everyone seems to forget...Noble 6 has power armour that roughly times his traits such as speed and strength by 2... Tartarus isn't walking around with Power armour? Noble 6 NEEDS that power armour to even stand a shred of chance for Tartarus.

When did the armor come into this?
By that logic Tartarus NEEDS that shield or else he's a dead monkey due to whatever he gets shot with. Like every other Brute without a shield or armor they're little more than strong bullet sponges. The super shield in Halo 2 was the only thing that made him even REMOTELY challenging, he's a joke without it...well he's a joke of a boss in general but that's beside the point.

  • 11.04.2011 8:27 PM PDT


Posted by: xSLRx BIGTIME
Depending on the weaponnry and armor abilities Noble 6 is given, I wouldnt say that he has ABSOLUTELY no chance of winning this fight.

WITH SPRINT: Using a Sniper rifle and DMR he could outrun tartarus and shoot pop shots at him for a while, but when it runs out he's screwed so sprints out.

WITH INVISIBILITY: Using the Sniper rifle and DMR again he could do hit and hide tactics, and for people who say that tartarus can smell him, how does a scent travel out of an airtight suit? along with the jammer for if tartarus has motion tracking capabilities as well...his chances are slim but if pulled off right he could drop tartarus's shields and DMR his brains out.

WITH ARMOR LOCK: Now using a gravity hammer...remember whenever tartarus used the gravity hammer he was bounced into the air slightly?...using the armor lock to block tartarus's first swing he could exit it real quick and hammer him off the rings control platform...making tartarus fall to his death ending the match. So with armor lock, although his chances are still pretty slim he does have a chance with this setup.

WITH JET-PACK: With only sniper rifle...Noble 6 could jet-pack up to one of the scaffoldings in the HALO control center and snipe him out...and im giving him FULL sniper ammunition...you can play it out from there.... So with this set up he has a chance.

Im to lazy to give out more, but my main point is that Noble 6 has a chance....and he's killed his fair share of elites as well,(hyper-lethal vector) so dont completely count him out thats all im saying.


I thought armour abilities were completely for gameplay purposes. A spartan doesnt need an armour ability to sprint...but they only added it as a feature in Reach to move faster then usual. If I were you I wouldnt use armour abilities in this fight.

Plus jsut because he is a Hyper-lethal (what ever that means) it doesn't make him tougher then a Brute. Spartans can have problems with Brutes at the best of times, but with tartarsus? Who is probably one of the strongest...it's not looking so good for 6. Plus without 6's armour he is pretty much useless...Six NEEDS something Tartarus doesnt...power armour.

  • 11.04.2011 8:35 PM PDT


Posted by: Astartes Marine
Posted by: Surperion93
As for Tartatus being a weakling? I think that is a stupid statement, they are probably the strognest race during the war (except Hunters).

Yeah, Tartarus is dead and his buddies lost the war with quite a lot of them got killed themselves or apparently put into servitude under Elites thanks to Karen Traviss...

Sheer physical strength is not the be all and end all. They lacked in quite a few other areas.


Posted by: Surperion93
Also everyone seems to forget...Noble 6 has power armour that roughly times his traits such as speed and strength by 2... Tartarus isn't walking around with Power armour? Noble 6 NEEDS that power armour to even stand a shred of chance for Tartarus.

When did the armor come into this?
By that logic Tartarus NEEDS that shield or else he's a dead monkey due to whatever he gets shot with. Like every other Brute without a shield or armor they're little more than strong bullet sponges. The super shield in Halo 2 was the only thing that made him even REMOTELY challenging, he's a joke without it...well he's a joke of a boss in general but that's beside the point.


If Tartarus didn't have that shield and 6 didn't have power armour I would DEFANTLY go for Tartarus. Without 6's armour he is JUST as easy to soaking up projectiles as Tartarus. (If not more so because 6 would probably have less muscle mass for the bullet to pierce through)

Plus loosing war doesnt instantly make you weak or brainless. I'm sure Brutes have a some sense of which way to point a gun and to fight a human. My money is on the 9 ft Monkey that can sometimes be trouble for Spartans in power armour, are increadibly strong, probably really fast (leg muscles making them jump huge heights probably helps them run fast).

Plus you sound UBER Bias. Using insultive language towards them and making them seem really weak all the time. I don't like them much either but I don't think they should be taken lightly just because they are missing a few brain cells.

[Edited on 11.04.2011 8:47 PM PDT]

  • 11.04.2011 8:38 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Superion, since I didn't feel like quoting you I will just say that Brutes are indeed fast, in First Strike they are described as "Faster than an Elite, as fast as him." This was referring to John and that was without any form of armor (the Brute mentioned even took the fire of 3 Assault Rifles and then almost killed John with his bare hands....so yeah, my money is on Tartarsauce.

  • 11.04.2011 9:03 PM PDT


Posted by: Astartes Marine
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
And, Astartes Marine, must you throw around the xenos term so much? :/

Yes. Yes I must. Obviously you are not a Warhammer fan or you'd easily pick up on why I say it.


I'm not a big warhammer fan, that is true. But still, this is halo, not 40k.

No hypocritical corpse worshipping idiots who are loosing all grasp on tech here.

So regardless of whatever Tartarus was said to have been in whatever comic series or novel people keep referring to, he became what he was in Halo 2, just another weakling in a race of simple primitive savages.

Methinks you are taking gameplay a little way to far. By that token then, a marine could take a fuel rod blast and still be intact? Cause in the games they don't blow to pieces, but in the book they describe a marine being hit by a fuel rod = giant hole in chest.

  • 11.04.2011 10:35 PM PDT

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  • 11.05.2011 12:40 AM PDT
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On topic. Tartarus would win - Even MC struggled to kill a single Brute. Against a Brute as strong as Tartarus, he'd be smashed.

Only reason the Arbiter was able to kill Tartarus in Halo 2 was because of teamwork.

  • 11.05.2011 1:38 AM PDT

Since some of you are bringing gameplay into the situation, I will too. How many trys did it take for you to kill Taratus when you first played that battle on lets say Heroic? I reckon with a large majority of the Halo community it took more than one try without a walkthrough. So surely that would make Taratus more powerful than a lot of you are claiming. In reality, you wouldn't get that second chance to learn from your mistakes, you would be dead, end of.

  • 11.05.2011 3:25 AM PDT

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