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Immediately I noticed how much more quick paced the gameplay was, especially with no bloom. DMR is beastly when it's that accurate. But have the damage modifiers been tinkered with? Seems like you take more damage. I swear I was shot with the DMR twice and then meleed and it killed me.

  • 11.04.2011 7:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: Fahn777
I swear I was shot with the DMR twice and then meleed and it killed me.
Its called bleed through.

  • 11.04.2011 7:14 AM PDT

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bleedthrough is also in.

TBH I don't like how it feels in Reach. The way the shields are you never know when you have to melee someone.

  • 11.04.2011 7:14 AM PDT
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I can't even bring myself to play ANY Reach after the TU, just knowing it caved to the whiners is enough to put me off it.

  • 11.04.2011 7:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: Dauss
I can't even bring myself to play ANY Reach after the TU, just knowing it caved to the whiners is enough to put me off it.
lol.........

  • 11.04.2011 7:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dauss
I can't even bring myself to play ANY Reach after the TU, just knowing it caved to the whiners is enough to put me off it.

Is dis -blam!- serious?

You're just butthurt because you lost some of the little conveniences that stood between you and getting steamrolled by undeniably better players. Deal with it.

Or don't, and cry that 343i took away your crutch. I don't think anyone really cares.

  • 11.04.2011 7:20 AM PDT
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"WE WANT THE DMR TO BE THE ONLY WEAPON WORTH USING! WE'RE TIRED OF BEING KILLED BY PLAYERS WITH THE ASSAULT RIFLE, IT SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO KILL ANYTHING! I'M TIRED OF HAVING TO PACE MY SHOTS BECAUSE I HAVE THE ATTENTION SPAN OF A 4 YEAR OLD! WWWWHHHIIIIINNNNEEEEE"

  • 11.04.2011 7:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dauss
"WE WANT THE DMR TO BE THE ONLY WEAPON WORTH USING! WE'RE TIRED OF BEING KILLED BY PLAYERS WITH THE ASSAULT RIFLE, IT SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO KILL ANYTHING! I'M TIRED OF HAVING TO PACE MY SHOTS BECAUSE I HAVE THE ATTENTION SPAN OF A 4 YEAR OLD! WWWWHHHIIIIINNNNEEEEE"


I hope you're joking.

  • 11.04.2011 7:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: Dauss
"WE WANT THE DMR TO BE THE ONLY WEAPON WORTH USING! WE'RE TIRED OF BEING KILLED BY PLAYERS WITH THE ASSAULT RIFLE, IT SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO KILL ANYTHING! I'M TIRED OF HAVING TO PACE MY SHOTS BECAUSE I HAVE THE ATTENTION SPAN OF A 4 YEAR OLD! WWWWHHHIIIIINNNNEEEEE"


Sexy, but all I get from that is "I get my butt stomp it the TU Beta, I'll stick with normal Slayer"

Pacing shots has nothing to do with attention span, it's the fact it doesn't work in Reach. The player that fires faster will still generally win.

[Edited on 11.04.2011 7:27 AM PDT]

  • 11.04.2011 7:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: Dauss
"WE WANT THE DMR TO BE THE ONLY WEAPON WORTH USING! WE'RE TIRED OF BEING KILLED BY PLAYERS WITH THE ASSAULT RIFLE, IT SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO KILL ANYTHING! I'M TIRED OF HAVING TO PACE MY SHOTS BECAUSE I HAVE THE ATTENTION SPAN OF A 4 YEAR OLD! WWWWHHHIIIIINNNNEEEEE"
The assault rifle is better in with bleedthrough. You don't have to pace with bloom. Adapt.

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Posted by: Dauss
"WE WANT THE DMR TO BE THE ONLY WEAPON WORTH USING! WE'RE TIRED OF BEING KILLED BY PLAYERS WITH THE ASSAULT RIFLE, IT SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO KILL ANYTHING! I'M TIRED OF HAVING TO PACE MY SHOTS BECAUSE I HAVE THE ATTENTION SPAN OF A 4 YEAR OLD! WWWWHHHIIIIINNNNEEEEE"


Drama queen.

  • 11.04.2011 7:29 AM PDT
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Nah, you guys should have adapted when Reach came out. Bungie didn't give you the BR again for a reason, it was overpowered when it was pinpoint accurate. They gave you the DMR instead to give you a powerful weapon, that still had flaws so that it couldn't dominate the battlefield at every range. But you whined until 343 gave you a BR wannabe back in the form of zero bloom.

Also to the guy concerning the idea I 'get killed in the TU beta', I haven't and will not be participating in Zero Bloom games, as I LIKE default Reach.

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Posted by: Dauss
Nah, you guys should have adapted when Reach came out. Bungie didn't give you the BR again for a reason, it was overpowered when it was pinpoint accurate. They gave you the DMR instead to give you a powerful weapon, that still had flaws so that it couldn't dominate the battlefield at every range. But you whined until 343 gave you a BR wannabe back in the form of zero bloom.

Also to the guy concerning the idea I 'get killed in the TU beta', I haven't and will not be participating in Zero Bloom games, as I LIKE default Reach.
The BR wasn't overpowered.

  • 11.04.2011 7:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dauss
Nah, you guys should have adapted when Reach came out. Bungie didn't give you the BR again for a reason, it was overpowered when it was pinpoint accurate. They gave you the DMR instead to give you a powerful weapon, that still had flaws so that it couldn't dominate the battlefield at every range. But you whined until 343 gave you a BR wannabe back in the form of zero bloom.

Also to the guy concerning the idea I 'get killed in the TU beta', I haven't and will not be participating in Zero Bloom games, as I LIKE default Reach.


Dude, the assault rifle in this game is a joke (Bullet magnetism + Autoaim + low player movement speed). The only saving grace WAS the DMR, which had the fundamental problem of spamming beating out pacing 60% of the time at medium range.

You say "We couldn't adapt to pacing" but you can't adapt to something that's basically a coin toss. You've got way too many instances of people just getting lucky with Spamming against these people "Who have adapted to bloom". We need consistancy, and a DMR with bloom is anything but consistant.

All they did was remove the variability so that "The player with the better aim" will ALWAYS come out the victor. I really don't understand how ANYONE can deem this as a bad thing.

I mean yes the magnum is a bit much, but after looking at recent videos that 343 posted, it looks like the ROF has been decreased.

Also, it's not even being applied across the board so you can go ahead and continue with your herpaderp lol default reach if you love it so much

  • 11.04.2011 7:36 AM PDT

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I only played 2 or 3 games in the TU list. Honestly, I don't like it. Everything felt overpowered. 3 shots from a Magnum to kill? That's ridiculous.

  • 11.04.2011 7:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: Dauss
Nah, you guys should have adapted when Reach came out. Bungie didn't give you the BR again for a reason, it was overpowered when it was pinpoint accurate. They gave you the DMR instead to give you a powerful weapon, that still had flaws so that it couldn't dominate the battlefield at every range. But you whined until 343 gave you a BR wannabe back in the form of zero bloom.

Also to the guy concerning the idea I 'get killed in the TU beta', I haven't and will not be participating in Zero Bloom games, as I LIKE default Reach.


You must not listen to 343 either. Their biggest complaint about the game was the fact they missed being able to LAN for hours after work. They stated a long time ago, this is what Reach lacked, it was because the gameplay missed many elements that kept games enjoyable.

343 wanted some of the changes as well. The one thing that annoys the hell out of me is when people say "you should have adapted in the first place"

You can't adapt to randomness. If I told you to flip a coin every hour to see if you get paid for that hour of work, would you wan that option?

I've played enough competitive Halo to know the good players I normally LAN with and who should beat who. NO REASON, I find myself wondering why the original BeAsT MoDe isn't -blam!- on me in this game. The defaults settings always turned into a screaming contest of "DIE ALREADY!" When ZB and 85% bloom first came out the game slowly reverted back to what I expected. Winning about 30% of the battles between him, not making a freaking coin flip. I've played enough to know when I SHOULD NOT BE WINNING BATTLES. The game isn't screwing you out of kills think about it, you might just suck and need bloom to help you.

  • 11.04.2011 7:42 AM PDT

Dauss, you're retarded. Developers dont change games because of people "whining". They change the game because THEY think it needs changed.

  • 11.04.2011 7:46 AM PDT

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0 bloom isn't bothering me, it's the newly modified damage Resistance. You can't run or jump as it is, and going up against an accurate weapon like the DMR with bleedthrough AND increased damage is brutal. I'm not a good player, I don't constantly whine about the game, but I think there needs to be a happy medium.

Maybe I'll just have to get better... or go back to the default playlists. I'd rather deal with bloom and moderate damage than no bloom and double 1.5x damage.

  • 11.04.2011 7:47 AM PDT

0 bloom - who shoots who first wins.

  • 11.04.2011 7:53 AM PDT

Its well known among good players that you need increased jump, movement, etc with no bloom.

  • 11.04.2011 7:54 AM PDT


Posted by: eRage Sanctity
Its well known among good players that you need increased jump, movement, etc with no bloom.

it's still who shoots who first wins, you just have to be the one to shoot first.

  • 11.04.2011 7:56 AM PDT


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Posted by: eRage Sanctity
Its well known among good players that you need increased jump, movement, etc with no bloom.

it's still who shoots who first wins, you just have to be the one to shoot first.

Sure, if you shot 2nd and you're dumb enough to walk in a straight line.

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  • 11.04.2011 7:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: con_extreme

Posted by: eRage Sanctity
Its well known among good players that you need increased jump, movement, etc with no bloom.

it's still who shoots who first wins, you just have to be the one to shoot first.
Not true. Not true at all.

  • 11.04.2011 7:58 AM PDT
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Bungie should consider investing in precipitation gathering nets for these forums. The sheer amount of tears shed by anyone who's been destroyed by armor lock, jet pack, grenades, and the AR could continuously operate hydroelectric dams, irrigate farms, and provide clean drinking water for third world countries.

eRage: If the majority of the fanbase is crying and moaning over something that the developer feels would encourage them to convince their friends to also buy the game, they'll change it. Capitalism's a -blam!-.

Secondly, yes, zero bloom is largely 'Shoot first, win'. I think every minorly competent player in Reach can aim for the head, there's no skill gap concerning headshots because it really isn't that hard of a thing to do. Bloom increases the skill gap because you have to evaluate the risks/benefits of overfiring and make the tactical choice to shoot or not while your bloom is resetting. If you shoot and make your mark, you win the engagement. If you do, and you don't make the headshot, and your opponent opted to wait you out, looks like you're eating a lead salad. It's an effective system, and adds a bit more thought into your combat.

And if you get killed by losing that 'wait or shoot' choice? Get over it. Problem solved.

[Edited on 11.04.2011 8:10 AM PDT]

  • 11.04.2011 8:07 AM PDT

Why dont you just get over it that they gave Reach a TU? That will solve your problem about sounding like a 13 year old girl on her period.

Besides, the "whiners" are the minority, we get no say. Its not our fault 343 knows how awful this game is as a Halo title.

[Edited on 11.04.2011 8:13 AM PDT]

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