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Subject: Unannounced changes in HCEA campaign: picture proof
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In the recently released HCEA trailer that you can view on YouTube here, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW_GT2OP3X0&feature=player _embedded#! if you look at the Wraith visible at 1:14 you can clearly see that it has a gunner's seat like the Wraiths in Halo 3, ODST and Reach.

It's visible in this screenshot. Looks like a scene from "Two Betrayals". http://i.imgur.com/2IdTe.jpg

The Wraiths in Halo CE did not have plasma cannons. The main mortar was their only armament. This Wraith is one we've never seen before, it has the plasma cannon like in the newer games, but it's plasma mortar resembles the simplistic one in CE. That's more than an aesthetic change, it's a gameplay change.

This shows that despite what 343 has said, HCEA is not a simple graphical remastering of the original, and there might be more changes out there. Have you spotted any others? And of course, what happens when you switch between the new and the original version when near something that's changed?



[Edited on 11.04.2011 6:37 PM PDT]

  • 11.04.2011 6:01 PM PDT
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  • 11.04.2011 6:04 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Life is a journey, if you spend all of it with your nose in your map, you may miss some of the best parts.

Or they just got lazy and made the Reach wraith more Halo CE-y.

  • 11.04.2011 6:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: RustedEdge
Or they just got lazy and made the Reach wraith more Halo CE-y.

No, that's definitely a scene from the campaign.

  • 11.04.2011 6:07 PM PDT

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I honestly do not recall fighting a wraith with a banshee in Two Betrayals.

  • 11.04.2011 6:10 PM PDT

Hi.

They simply took the H3 model and copied it. They've said over 50 times that they don't want to change the gameplay. It's just graphically there, but I guarantee it won't work.

  • 11.04.2011 6:10 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
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Posted by: Zomechin
They simply took the H3 model and copied it. They've said over 50 times that they don't want to change the gameplay. It's just graphically there, but I guarantee it won't work.


I'm surprised that they left the turret there.

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Posted by: Zomechin
They simply took the H3 model and copied it. They've said over 50 times that they don't want to change the gameplay. It's just graphically there, but I guarantee it won't work.

  • 11.04.2011 6:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Zomechin
They simply took the H3 model and copied it. They've said over 50 times that they don't want to change the gameplay. It's just graphically there, but I guarantee it won't work.


I'm surprised that they left the turret there.



Maybe they just hadn't taken it out when that trailer was done.

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Posted by: Kira Onime
I honestly do not recall fighting a wraith with a banshee in Two Betrayals.

The final ground fight between the Covenant and the Flood had two Wraiths and two empty Banshees that you could use to kill the Wraiths if you didn't just kill them yourself with the Rockets.

[Edited on 11.04.2011 6:13 PM PDT]

  • 11.04.2011 6:13 PM PDT

Posted by: Kira Onime
I honestly do not recall fighting a wraith with a banshee in Two Betrayals.
I remember it well, good times.

  • 11.04.2011 6:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Kira Onime
I honestly do not recall fighting a wraith with a banshee in Two Betrayals.

The final ground fight between the Covenant and the Flood had two Wraiths and two empty Banshees that you could use to kill the Wraiths if you didn't just kill them yourself with the Rockets.


I'd probably have to replay the level to remember.

  • 11.04.2011 6:14 PM PDT

Hi.

Well, I mean, don't wraiths always fictionally have turrets? If so, I don't see a problem; they would be making the game a little more fictionally correct. I could see a huge change being a problem, however.

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  • 11.04.2011 6:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Zomechin
They simply took the H3 model and copied it. They've said over 50 times that they don't want to change the gameplay. It's just graphically there, but I guarantee it won't work.

Nope. This is a Halo 3 Wraith. The main gun looks totally different. http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/File:Halo3-WraithMortarTank1.png

There's no way they would do something so sloppy and lazy as to copy and paste in an asset from another game with non-working parts, especially since the whole point of HCEA is looks.

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  • 11.04.2011 6:16 PM PDT

Hi.

ooops. edit.

Interesting.

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  • 11.04.2011 6:19 PM PDT
Subject: Unannounced changes in HCEA campaign: picture proof
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Also interesting is that the Wraith appears to be operable, whereas Wraiths in CE were not.

If you watch the 3 second battle a few times it's pretty convincing that the Banshee pilot was an AI based on the careless way he was floating slowly past the Wraith, and the Wraith driver was a human player based on his lousy aim.

There also appears to be a hatch for a driver to enter the Wraith, although it's not very clear. The Wraith in CE had no hatch.

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Oh the Wraith has a turret now? Oh -blam!- no, it changes the game to much. I'm not buying this p.o.s. 343 you -blam!- me over for the last time. You killed HALO!!!/

  • 11.04.2011 6:42 PM PDT

Stfu and play

Cry moar about small details holy -blam!-?

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Posted by: RC Clone
Posted by: Kira Onime
I honestly do not recall fighting a wraith with a banshee in Two Betrayals.

The final ground fight between the Covenant and the Flood had two Wraiths and two empty Banshees that you could use to kill the Wraiths if you didn't just kill them yourself with the Rockets.

It's from the beginning of the level. There is a Banshee parked at the bottom of the pyramid (to fly up to the first pulse generator) and a Wraith guarding it.

[Edited on 11.04.2011 6:45 PM PDT]

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Posted by: irishdUDE117
Cry moar about small details holy -blam!-?

I'm not upset, the Wraith is my favorite vehicle and the more action it gets the better. I'm just pointing out something (that I don't think anyone else noted before) that means HCEA won't be the carbon copy of CE that 343 claims.

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They said it would have the same engine and feel the same.
They also said that there would be small changes to improve the game.

  • 11.04.2011 6:50 PM PDT

Posted by: Tom T
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Replaying the campaign from CE, I just realized the pic you showed is from the 2nd encounter of the level.

  • 11.04.2011 7:15 PM PDT

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Watch the first cutscene, keyes dosnt bring p his pipe, until the cutscene with chief in. And the foot movements of the marines in johnsons speach is changed. I think they made the cutscenes seperate, so ther might be alot of changes. Brace yourself for impact halo community

  • 11.04.2011 7:32 PM PDT

VERY good catch there, Sir. I'm not sure, I'd be inclined to say that's just going to be a cosmetic feature that won't go beyond the boundaries of the CE Wraith. I don't think they're adding in gunner seats and other things. Not if you can switch at any time between remastered and classic mode, anyway.

  • 11.04.2011 7:37 PM PDT

Ohai, I'm Loscocco (pronounced Loss-cocoa). I'm a college student (computer science major), 3D animator, and long-time Halo player.

They've already stressed enough times that it is 100% exactly the same as Halo CE in terms of gameplay aside from some tiny terminals and skulls. They wouldn't just pretend they never said that.

  • 11.04.2011 7:57 PM PDT

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