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Posted by: iRuN KFC
Why are you assclowns so quick to condemn Bungie?



So you don't see anything wrong with Invasion in other words?


No, I don't see Goat fixing it.

You really shouldn't just quote parts of a sentence as you lose the gist of what I was saying.

I'm not on Goat's nuts nearly as much as you and that other guy by the way

I meant you're literally bending over and asking to get shafted.

[Edited on 11.25.2011 6:58 AM PST]

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Posted by: iRuN KFC
I don't see Goat fixing it.


I take it that means you didn't read this thread then.

You also haven't read Goat's guidebook, which is 10 chapters long. He didn't pull that out of his ass (or mine, for that matter >.>) and nobody would waste time making one if it was full of junk.

You know, if you actually supported Goat the map could have been done already?

[Edited on 11.25.2011 6:58 AM PST]

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Posted by: iRuN KFC

Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat


Do you mean the one on waypoint died quicker than an assisted suicide in Switzerland?


Made me lol

Waypoint's forums are busy with people's suggestions. I can't check who gave me feedback anyway because this happens when I go to waypoint's forums. So I'm stuck here.



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Posted by: Covenant Crates
I bet you don't even know what [redacted] or [redacted] means.


shhhh those are a secret!



[Edited on 11.25.2011 7:07 AM PST]

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Posted by: iRuN KFC
and nothing he's forged so far has been worth including in MM.


Do you believe that after a year the two concepts in the OP are the only maps that I've forged for ODST?

  • 11.25.2011 7:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat

Posted by: iRuN KFC
and nothing he's forged so far has been worth including in MM.


Do you believe that after a year the two concepts in the OP are the only maps that I've forged for ODST?



No. I believe nothing in Invasion has really been changed since release, that none of your Invasion maps have been put in MM and that, despite talking a good game, you're yet to deliver on anything you've promised.

I'll be the first to hold my hand up and admit I'm wrong if you ever do but until then I think it's just talk.

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Posted by: iRuN KFC
No what I'm saying (and I'm sure DOOM is too) is that despite what Bungie have done wrong, or what they could've done better, I have seen nothing to suggest Goat could actually solve any of these problems apart from the empty words he spews on BNet.

Basically, despite all their faults, Bungie>>>>>>>>>>Goat :)


I've seen many of Goat's forgework for ODST, so I have no doubt in my mind that he is capable of pulling this off. His building style is very clean cut and neat, meaning once he finds a layout he's satisfied with (which I'm assuming is what's taken him so long with this project) he can speed-build it and have it ready for testing in less than a day. So on the actual building side of Forge, I know the map will look good because it's Goat.

What I'm sure you and others are in doubt about though is whether or not Goat is capable of making it play well. I don't disagree with these claims; however, I'm not going to condemn Goat early on either. He says he knows his shi­t, and he didn't seem uneducated when faced with the questions in the earlier thread. So it's not a matter of 'if' Goat can do it. It's 'when' will he actually do it. Nobody is going to stick around this thread if it takes him another year to build the map.

So I agree with Prophet of Mercy's post and yours KFC. Until we see something other than old concepts (which mean nothing to anyone except you Goat), he's a house with no foundation. You can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?

If you say so, prove it. We're all waiting.

[Edited on 11.25.2011 4:31 PM PST]

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[Edited on 11.25.2011 6:20 PM PST]

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So Goat, why did you decide to have DMRs and NRs in Phase 1?

  • 11.26.2011 1:26 AM PDT


Posted by: Anonymous Moose
So Goat, why did you decide to have DMRs and NRs in Phase 1?


cus its MLG Invasion/Invasion Arenna duhh you dummy

  • 11.26.2011 1:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: Anonymous Moose
So Goat, why did you decide to have DMRs and NRs in Phase 1?


From what I've noticed, one of the major reasons Invasion is disliked is because of initial starting weapons. As an Elite you pretty much get sacked because of how niche your starting weapons are. And the Spartans run out of pistol ammo very quickly.

By offering DMRs and NRs in the first phase, I not only allow players to choose their playing style, but I also quicken the pace of combat, and I allow players to defend themselves off spawn.

The DMR and NR loadouts will have no secondary weapon until Phase two. So it looks like this:

AR/Magnum/Sprint
DMR/Sprint

Repeater/Plasma Pistol/Evade*
NR/Evade

I have Camo spawning in on Phase 2 because I don't want Elites sitting in corners near the Spartan Spawn jamming their radar.


*Might swap Plasma Pistol for Needler

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Posted by: DarthTombo117
If you need any help with the vehicles, everyone says I forge the best pelicans, phantoms, and spirits they've seen, besides 2 people [hey, I'm only human xD]. So If you need my help message me, and I'll be willing to give you some help [not that you need any :).]

I'm also a ForgeArtist so if their is anything else like that you need help with, I can do that too.



Goat forges the best pelicans I've seen

Will there be one on the map, or no?

  • 11.26.2011 5:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: DarthTombo117
If you need any help with the vehicles, everyone says I forge the best pelicans, phantoms, and spirits they've seen, besides 2 people [hey, I'm only human xD]. So If you need my help message me, and I'll be willing to give you some help [not that you need any :).]

I'm also a ForgeArtist so if their is anything else like that you need help with, I can do that too.



Goat forges the best pelicans I've seen

Will there be one on the map, or no?


Oliphant > Pelican

At least for now. I'm using the teleporters for something else ;-)

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Hit a bit of a roadblock again. Just realized that Elite weapons pretty much suck unless they're in close quarters. The phase 1 I'm building right now is more medium-range, meaning Elites could have trouble.

So now I'm designing Phase 1 around the Repeater and Magnum. I'm still going to have DMRs and NRs as options in the first phase though. Phase 1 just needs to be tighter so you're not SOL as an Elite. Players usually don't like playing Elites because their starting weapons are at a disadvantage in most ranges. The change in design will increase the pace of combat as well, so it's a win-win.

Really craving some Spartan vs Spartan Invasion (skirmish is lulzy). That way I wouldn't have to worry about canon-based weapons. I can give Elites pistols and then you'll have that guy in the background -blam!- ing the whole time about it.

Expect to see a walkthrough by the end of the day.

[Edited on 11.26.2011 8:26 AM PST]

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What's the most common roadblock you run into?

  • 11.26.2011 8:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: Anonymous Moose
What's the most common roadblock you run into?


Spawning, hands down. Spawning is everything about the map. If the spawns are bad, nothing else on the map matters. If your attackers are getting spawn camped, they aren't going to enjoy the map. If your defenders are spawning too far away or too close, the respective side will become frustrated. I've scrapped so many designs simply because I ran out of room to spawn one of the teams.

I make sure to never give attackers more than half of the map after phase 1. This way they'll have safe spawns once the initial phase is over. It's mainly attackers phase 1 and defenders phase 2/3 that I run into problems with.

That's why I'm glad this thread is here. It's sort of holding me accountable for all the mistakes I've made in the design. Because of it, I've developed safer spawns for both teams.

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Couldn't you block line of sight to the spawns with like a tower or something?

Spartan vs Spartan Invasion would be amazing by the way

  • 11.26.2011 8:59 AM PDT

Oh. Oh well. :)
Posted by: Covenant Crates

Posted by: DarthTombo117
If you need any help with the vehicles, everyone says I forge the best pelicans, phantoms, and spirits they've seen, besides 2 people [hey, I'm only human xD]. So If you need my help message me, and I'll be willing to give you some help [not that you need any :).]

I'm also a ForgeArtist so if their is anything else like that you need help with, I can do that too.



Goat forges the best pelicans I've seen

Will there be one on the map, or no?

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Posted by:MR E0S
Why is hypocrite spelled with an E at the end?
The I in crite is not pronounce as eye.

So, on the one hand I spell it out exactly as it should be.
You follow the standard set before you by fools who can't even get a handle on the rules of their own language.

THREAD SAVED AS A FAVOR TO GOAT

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Good News: Phase 1 is finished and ready for testing
Bad News: My disc is falling apart. Some idiot didn't know how to put it in its case properly, so the center ring is cracked. It took 30 minutes to get the Xbox to read it, but it sounds like my Xbox is digesting the disc instead of running it.

Pix coming later tonight.

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You're all bad

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Subject: ODST Invasion walkthrough (save this thread)
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Goat you may as well just name the map Roadblock.

  • 11.27.2011 5:14 AM PDT

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
Goat was famous. Irie was infamous. Gh0st was FaMaS.

Goat I'm gonna start calling you Technobrats

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Posted by: Covenant Crates
Goat you may as well just name the map Roadblock.


lol thats a pretty good name.

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How's the map coming along Goat? I see you haven't posted in a few days. You hit another roadblock?

[Edited on 11.29.2011 7:46 AM PST]

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