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Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
Halo 4 will have an Invasion successor.

I hope you're right, but, source?


343 has stated several times that the map Longbow was built for a specific gametype and is something for the people who liked Invasion.

I don't have a link to any bulletin but they have said that an "invasion-like" gametype will return. Never was it implied that Spartans vs Elites with 3 phases would return.

And I'm glad. This means a balanced gametype similar to it will appear.

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Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat

Posted by: the pib

Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
Halo 4 will have an Invasion successor.

I hope you're right, but, source?


343 has stated several times that the map Longbow was built for a specific gametype and is something for the people who liked Invasion.

I don't have a link to any bulletin but they have said that an "invasion-like" gametype will return. Never was it implied that Spartans vs Elites with 3 phases would return.

And I'm glad. This means a balanced gametype similar to it will appear.
Well since we can't be elites in Halo 4, it won't be invasion. Similar at best.

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Posted by: Darkside Eric
So basically... Waypoint is pro-vanilla?

Posted by: Sentox6
Waypoint isn't pro-anything so much as they're just anti-intelligence.


Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
And I'm glad. This means a balanced gametype similar to it will appear.

implying that anything 343 creates will be balanced

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Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
And I'm glad. This means a balanced gametype similar to it will appear.

implying that anything 343 creates will be balanced

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Posted by: ankerd123

Posted by: nicksta14

Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
And I'm glad. This means a balanced gametype similar to it will appear.

implying that anything 343 creates will be balanced


Bungie created pre-tu Reach, how can one fix what is so severely broken?

  • 09.02.2012 6:29 PM PDT

Posted by: Darkside Eric
So basically... Waypoint is pro-vanilla?

Posted by: Sentox6
Waypoint isn't pro-anything so much as they're just anti-intelligence.


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Posted by: ankerd123

Posted by: nicksta14

Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
And I'm glad. This means a balanced gametype similar to it will appear.

implying that anything 343 creates will be balanced


Bungie created pre-tu Reach, how can one fix what is so severely broken?

MLG fixed it. Reach MLG is superior to Halo 3.

also, Halo 4 looks terrible. 343 is doing a horrible job of incorporating competitive ideas, and has instead decided to cater to the retards.

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Posted by: nicksta14

Posted by: Prometheanss

Posted by: ankerd123

Posted by: nicksta14

Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
And I'm glad. This means a balanced gametype similar to it will appear.

implying that anything 343 creates will be balanced


Bungie created pre-tu Reach, how can one fix what is so severely broken?

MLG fixed it. Reach MLG is superior to Halo 3.

also, Halo 4 looks terrible. 343 is doing a horrible job of incorporating competitive ideas, and has instead decided to cater to the retards.


Yes however, bungie created Reach in general and the terrible original arena system bassed on individual skill which flopped. I could go on and on. Halo 4 looks terrible, but you haven't played it yet. I'm sure as a developer you could do a much better job at creating a balanced competetive game? AS far as I'm concerned Bungie started going into the direction and didn't even try to balance the aa's. 343 from what I have seen has tried to make everything balanced.

  • 09.02.2012 7:13 PM PDT

Posted by: Darkside Eric
So basically... Waypoint is pro-vanilla?

Posted by: Sentox6
Waypoint isn't pro-anything so much as they're just anti-intelligence.


Posted by: Prometheanss
Yes however, bungie created Reach in general and the terrible original arena system bassed on individual skill which flopped. I could go on and on.

Reach was bad. Nothing new here.


Posted by: Prometheanss
Halo 4 looks terrible, but you haven't played it yet.

Correct.


Posted by: Prometheanss
I'm sure as a developer you could do a much better job at creating a balanced competetive game?

With Bungie's resources, and an extensive knowledge of game design? Absolutely.


Posted by: Prometheanss
AS far as I'm concerned Bungie started going into the direction and didn't even try to balance the aa's. 343 from what I have seen has tried to make everything balanced.

Yo, I heard you like armor abilities, so we gave you sprint in addition to an armor ability so you can sprint while you jetpack/camo/seethroughwalls/etc. -_-

  • 09.02.2012 10:00 PM PDT

Posted by: Prometheanss
Halo 4 looks terrible, but you haven't played it yet.
Don't have to touch a stove that's on to know it's hot.

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Posted by: Prometheanss
Halo 4 looks terrible, but you haven't played it yet.
Don't have to touch a stove that's on to know it's hot.


There's no debating whether the stove is hot or not.

Let's not mix facts and opinions here.

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This isn't on topic anymore just let it die.

  • 09.02.2012 10:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: ankerd123
This isn't on topic anymore just let it die.


Honestly, why have you been so adamant in dissing this thread, and me in general? I don't even have any idea who you are.

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Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat

Posted by: ankerd123
This isn't on topic anymore just let it die.


Honestly, why have you been so adamant in dissing this thread, and me in general? I don't even have any idea who you are.

Posted by: ankerd123
This isn't on topic anymore just let it die.

  • 09.02.2012 11:40 PM PDT

Posted by: Darkside Eric
So basically... Waypoint is pro-vanilla?

Posted by: Sentox6
Waypoint isn't pro-anything so much as they're just anti-intelligence.


Posted by: ankerd123
This isn't on topic anymore just let it die.

nevar

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Except for the fact every fps nowadays has sprint minus counter strike which is a very balanced competetive shooter. So really, sure we could sit here and say ya we could make the game better but in all honestly you wouldn't know the first thing about game design. Would your game sell? Or would it only please to a say 30,000 competetive players. Would that amount make you money to make another game with COD selling as many as it does?

All in all it's a tough world to be a good developer out there when you have activision cashing cod so easily, you know this. You can sit here and bash aa's but in reality they are just equipment just like halo 3. A random factor put into the equation of battle to make it more interesting. Same thing could have been said about bullet spread, dual wielding.

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Did OP ever get one of his maps into MM?

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Did OP ever get one of his maps into MM?

I don't think he did.

  • 09.03.2012 7:49 AM PDT

No Invasion maps, but he did get Think Twice into MM which is an accomplishment that he's not proud of.

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Posted by: Prometheanss
Halo 4 looks terrible, but you haven't played it yet.
Don't have to touch a stove that's on to know it's hot.


There's no debating whether the stove is hot or not.

Let's not mix facts and opinions here.

There's no debate that there's custom loadouts, randomized weapon drops, and -blam!- armor perks in the game.

Let's not mix opinions and facts here.

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Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat

Posted by: boomdeyadah
Posted by: Prometheanss
Halo 4 looks terrible, but you haven't played it yet.
Don't have to touch a stove that's on to know it's hot.


There's no debating whether the stove is hot or not.

Let's not mix facts and opinions here.

There's no debate that there's custom loadouts, randomized weapon drops, and -blam!- armor perks in the game.

Let's not mix opinions and facts here.


No that is not debatable. That's an observation.

Whether you like them or not is an opinion.

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Posted by: ThreeSixXero
No Invasion maps, but he did get Think Twice into MM which is an accomplishment that he's not proud of.


I helped work on some of the Invasion maps that were put into MM.

  • 09.03.2012 9:12 AM PDT


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Posted by: ThreeSixXero

Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat

Posted by: boomdeyadah
Posted by: Prometheanss
Halo 4 looks terrible, but you haven't played it yet.
Don't have to touch a stove that's on to know it's hot.


There's no debating whether the stove is hot or not.

Let's not mix facts and opinions here.

There's no debate that there's custom loadouts, randomized weapon drops, and -blam!- armor perks in the game.

Let's not mix opinions and facts here.


No that is not debatable. That's an observation.

Whether you like them or not is an opinion.

All of those elements have been observed to be bad for ideal competitive play (kind of like how it has been observed that a stove, when turned on, can burn your hands). It doesn't matter whether I like them or not, it's about the results they produce, and it's terribly likely that they will produce bad results in an environment meant for competitive play.

  • 09.03.2012 9:42 AM PDT


Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat

Posted by: ThreeSixXero
No Invasion maps, but he did get Think Twice into MM which is an accomplishment that he's not proud of.


I helped work on some of the Invasion maps that were put into MM.

Are you credited for any?

  • 09.03.2012 9:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: ThreeSixXero

Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat

Posted by: ThreeSixXero
No Invasion maps, but he did get Think Twice into MM which is an accomplishment that he's not proud of.


I helped work on some of the Invasion maps that were put into MM.

Are you credited for any?


Nope I'm not an author, but my contributions have certainly helped, so I'm pleased. The HWM are a good community.

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Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat

Posted by: ThreeSixXero

Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat

Posted by: boomdeyadah
Don't have to touch a stove that's on to know it's hot.


There's no debating whether the stove is hot or not.

Let's not mix facts and opinions here.

There's no debate that there's custom loadouts, randomized weapon drops, and -blam!- armor perks in the game.

Let's not mix opinions and facts here.


No that is not debatable. That's an observation.

Whether you like them or not is an opinion.

All of those elements have been observed to be bad for ideal competitive play (kind of like how it has been observed that a stove, when turned on, can burn your hands). It doesn't matter whether I like them or not, it's about the results they produce, and it's terribly likely that they will produce bad results in an environment meant for competitive play.


The stove being hot cannot be disputed.
Those things being bad for competitive gameplay can be disputed.

I agree with you, but I'm just keeping it real. Again, let's not mix facts and opinions.

Those things being bad is subjective. I still don't like them.

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