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Subject: The UNSC and their equipment.
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We are determined that before the sun sets on this terrible struggle our flag will be recognized throughout the world as a symbol of freedom on the one hand and of overwhelming force on the other.

You would think in such a dire time of war, such terrible times, when your entire species has been virtually exterminated by superior fighting forces, that the UNSC would've come up with better technology.

The Warthog? Yeah, good reconnaissance vehicle, that's it. It only can fill one purpose, but its deployed to all things.

You cant say they have no money, because using a system the Covenant used would've been much more practical. The Covenant had a system where the war machine wasn't built around money, yet constructed beyond the limits of economics to fill religious purposes.

The UNSC should have done this, went on a spending spree and build better, and more technology. If they have, A. The games would've been arguably "better". and B. They wouldn't have been getting thrashed by one legion of Covenant troops when they had 200,000 soldiers.

  • 11.04.2011 7:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

IF you had read the novels, you would understand the UNSC had experienced a great technological jump since the conflict with the Covenant had begun.

Thing is, RnD dosent give off results so fast. Most things dont hit the frontlines untill many years after it's been developed.

  • 11.04.2011 7:31 PM PDT
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We are determined that before the sun sets on this terrible struggle our flag will be recognized throughout the world as a symbol of freedom on the one hand and of overwhelming force on the other.


Posted by: HipiO7
IF you had read the novels, you would understand the UNSC had experienced a great technological jump since the conflict with the Covenant had begun.

Thing is, RnD dosent give off results so fast. Most things dont hit the frontlines untill many years after it's been developed.


>Implying I haven't ever read a Halo novel

Regardless, if they made these shocking jumps, they should have tested them quickly, and fielded them even faster.

  • 11.04.2011 7:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: I Em I Raptor
Posted by: HipiO7
IF you had read the novels, you would understand the UNSC had experienced a great technological jump since the conflict with the Covenant had begun.

Thing is, RnD dosent give off results so fast. Most things dont hit the frontlines untill many years after it's been developed.


>Implying I haven't ever read a Halo novel

Regardless, if they made these shocking jumps, they should have tested them quickly, and fielded them even faster.


It dosent work that easily. Not now, and not then. Especially in a war of the caliber of the Human-Covenant war.

  • 11.04.2011 7:36 PM PDT

yas334229812

as is shown with modern discoveries. The scientist have discovered and implemented things beyond imagination. The research done are amazing considering modern ages, the problem is it take years and years to implement it ion a wide scale.

Ex 3D TV was at least a 50 year old idea and was done i think around 50 years ago.

Holograms i think was in the 1980s etc. These things are mainly prototypes or on paper. And takes year before the tech has become cheaper to be implemented.

  • 11.04.2011 7:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: I Em I Raptor

Posted by: HipiO7
IF you had read the novels, you would understand the UNSC had experienced a great technological jump since the conflict with the Covenant had begun.

Thing is, RnD dosent give off results so fast. Most things dont hit the frontlines untill many years after it's been developed.


>Implying I haven't ever read a Halo novel

Regardless, if they made these shocking jumps, they should have tested them quickly, and fielded them even faster.


and what about the bugs and errors. Sometimes malfunctioning.

You need to have detail info on how these things are able to work before the product is of the shelves and in use.

Also some of the ideas were field tested, for example invisiblity. And we do not have slaves.

Thats what the covenant had, slaves the unggoy and the engineers(who did the job for free and did not care for anything else) which is why they could advance quite easily and they had an earlier start due to the discovery of forerunner artifacts.

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We are determined that before the sun sets on this terrible struggle our flag will be recognized throughout the world as a symbol of freedom on the one hand and of overwhelming force on the other.

Even so! Its as simple as slapping an extra inch of armor onto something, or adding an extra .50 to the top of the tank, or making the air intakes bigger on a Pelican. I mean really, its that simple!

I think ONI was holding back the UNSC and the war effort for their own personal gains and agenda.

  • 11.04.2011 7:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: I Em I Raptor
Even so! Its as simple as slapping an extra inch of armor onto something, or adding an extra .50 to the top of the tank, or making the air intakes bigger on a Pelican. I mean really, its that simple!

I think ONI was holding back the UNSC and the war effort for their own personal gains and agenda.
Or was it possible that Bungie didn't know how big Halo was going to get and was just out to make a fun game with crazy weapons.

  • 11.04.2011 9:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: I Em I Raptor
Even so! Its as simple as slapping an extra inch of armor onto something, or adding an extra .50 to the top of the tank, or making the air intakes bigger on a Pelican. I mean really, its that simple!

I think ONI was holding back the UNSC and the war effort for their own personal gains and agenda.
Or was it possible that Bungie didn't know how big Halo was going to get and was just out to make a fun game with crazy weapons.

nvm.

[Edited on 11.05.2011 12:00 AM PDT]

  • 11.04.2011 9:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: I Em I Raptor
You cant say they have no money, because using a system the Covenant used would've been much more practical. The Covenant had a system where the war machine wasn't built around money, yet constructed beyond the limits of economics to fill religious purposes.

How exactly do you propose such a system would work for Humanity? If resources and services are not being paid for, then as I understand it someone is not getting a wage. This would incur exploitation.

The only reason the Covenant can build mile-odd long starships, and equip all their Elites with power armour and energy shields is because they rely, solely, on slave labor of the Grunts and the Engineers. The Engineers require no wage, they will just fix and build things for free. The Grunts can either dig up raw minerals and work the factories, or they can die and be replaced by another grunt. They have no choice, and they are natural cowards so they will work for nothing. The Prophets can order the glassing of any world they want at any time they want, so all the Covenant races can either co-operate or die. Furthermore, the Covenant races are working under a Theocracy. They believe that their "Gods" demand complete servitude. Anything less would probably be heresy.

Humanity has nothing as powerfully cohesive as a theocratic totalitarianism to motivate people, nor does it have any slaves to do the labor for free. As I understand it, monetary concerns are still an insurmountable issue.

  • 11.04.2011 9:58 PM PDT

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^^^^This^^^^
Also the elites were blind in their belief. Following with no hesitation and not thinking.

  • 11.04.2011 10:25 PM PDT

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Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

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Posted by: I Em I Raptor
You cant say they have no money, because using a system the Covenant used would've been much more practical. The Covenant had a system where the war machine wasn't built around money, yet constructed beyond the limits of economics to fill religious purposes.

How exactly do you propose such a system would work for Humanity? If resources and services are not being paid for, then as I understand it someone is not getting a wage. This would incur exploitation.

The only reason the Covenant can build mile-odd long starships, and equip all their Elites with power armour and energy shields is because they rely, solely, on slave labor of the Grunts and the Engineers. The Engineers require no wage, they will just fix and build things for free. The Grunts can either dig up raw minerals and work the factories, or they can die and be replaced by another grunt. They have no choice, and they are natural cowards so they will work for nothing. The Prophets can order the glassing of any world they want at any time they want, so all the Covenant races can either co-operate or die. Furthermore, the Covenant races are working under a Theocracy. They believe that their "Gods" demand complete servitude. Anything less would probably be heresy.

Humanity has nothing as powerfully cohesive as a theocratic totalitarianism to motivate people, nor does it have any slaves to do the labor for free. As I understand it, monetary concerns are still an insurmountable issue.
This gentleman gets it.

  • 11.04.2011 10:35 PM PDT


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Posted by: I Em I Raptor
Posted by: HipiO7
IF you had read the novels, you would understand the UNSC had experienced a great technological jump since the conflict with the Covenant had begun.

Thing is, RnD dosent give off results so fast. Most things dont hit the frontlines untill many years after it's been developed.


>Implying I haven't ever read a Halo novel

Regardless, if they made these shocking jumps, they should have tested them quickly, and fielded them even faster.


It dosent work that easily. Not now, and not then. Especially in a war of the caliber of the Human-Covenant war.


Yeah, hard to deploy brand new weapons when the war is taking place over a great many systems, with long slipspace travel time.

  • 11.04.2011 10:52 PM PDT


Posted by: I Em I Raptor
Even so! Its as simple as slapping an extra inch of armor onto something, or adding an extra .50 to the top of the tank, or making the air intakes bigger on a Pelican. I mean really, its that simple!

I think ONI was holding back the UNSC and the war effort for their own personal gains and agenda.


First may require a new engine to support the added weight, second would require an additional ammo storage unit built into the tank, and aligning it with the other guns to be accurate, and the air intakes are built into the frame/wings, so that'd require rebuilding the entire thing as I see it.

  • 11.04.2011 10:55 PM PDT
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Why'd you post this ?
I mean seriously anyone forgot bout the "Sheilds" ?!?!
The ones that saved mastercheif and mastercheif saved humanity and humanity saved galaxy ?

  • 11.04.2011 11:27 PM PDT

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Why'd you post this ?
I mean seriously anyone forgot bout the "Sheilds" ?!?!
The ones that saved mastercheif and mastercheif saved humanity and humanity saved galaxy ?
Reverse-engineered from those shields that Jackals wear. The tech was barely on its feet by the time it made its way onto MC's armour, let alone anything bigger.

  • 11.04.2011 11:49 PM PDT

Oh, and you know, when they 'Just added some more armor" to the Humvee, they had to basically rebuild the entire thing :P.

  • 11.05.2011 12:16 AM PDT

Basically the Covenant has a better tech and research development team. Also, they use Forerunner tech, which is total cheaters.

  • 11.05.2011 12:23 AM PDT
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  • 11.05.2011 5:25 AM PDT

i think i heard that when the unsc is left to get on with it they can develop amazing tech when given the time and not bothered by small little things like war and such

  • 11.05.2011 5:30 AM PDT

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I some what agree. Ok so it's the 26th century, in reality we will most likely have all of this in the 24th. Besides in the 22nd we will most likely have a new form of ammunition such as some kind of energy based, the unsc is still using lead wtf?

  • 11.05.2011 5:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

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I some what agree. Ok so it's the 26th century, in reality we will most likely have all of this in the 24th. Besides in the 22nd we will most likely have a new form of ammunition such as some kind of energy based, the unsc is still using lead wtf?


Ever since the invention of the Shaw-Fujikawa slipspace drive, the UNSC's priority had been colonization efforts. Pretty much all their money went there, and not so much on militaristic innovations. There was no need, there was no serious major wars going on, so it's comprendable.

Once the Insurrection started, and later with the Human-Covenant war, the UNSC's military power had a huge leap forward. Notice that during the Insurrection, capital ships did not have yet MAC guns, so it's a relatively new system. (Proof taken from Cole's story in Evolutions)

  • 11.05.2011 5:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: I Em I Raptor
You would think in such a dire time of war, such terrible times, when your entire species has been virtually exterminated by superior fighting forces, that the UNSC would've come up with better technology.


They had little time to do so, little things like losing entire worlds to a remorseless and relentless foe kind of force you to deal with the more immediate concerns of not going exctinct rather than spending billions on R&D for a new gauss rifle.

Even if you do, and it cost the same to make one M99-Stanchion as it does to make 100 S2-AM's, was it worth it?

The Warthog? Yeah, good reconnaissance vehicle, that's it. It only can fill one purpose, but its deployed to all things.

Given Covenant combat doctrine heavily favours infantry, using it in an infantry suppression role is perfectly reasonble.

You cant say they have no money, because using a system the Covenant used would've been much more practical. The Covenant had a system where the war machine wasn't built around money, yet constructed beyond the limits of economics to fill religious purposes.

The UNSC should have done this,


The UEG and UNSC do not condone slavery.

went on a spending spree and build better, and more technology.

You appear to be under the impression the UNSC had infinite resources.

The real world does not resemble an RTS with cheat mode on, the Halo universe should not be considered to do so either...

They wouldn't have been getting thrashed by one legion of Covenant troops when they had 200,000 soldiers.

They had an army in the billions, 200,000 is pittance in comparison.



Posted by: I Em I Raptor
Even so! Its as simple as slapping an extra inch of armor onto something,


Ok, here's the problem:

Lets say the UNSC wants to field 3 billion warthogs across it's territories (given how ubiquitous they are this is a low estimate).

Lets say each hog has 2 inches of Titanium-A plate in the important places, if you want to add an extra inch of armour to every hog, you can now afford only to armour 2 billion warthogs, not three.

Given that UNSC armour isn't that good against plasma anyway, and the 'hog's best defence is speed (which your 'tactical upgrade' would reduce btw), is it really worth losing 1,000,000,000 functional fighting vehicles to marginally increase the protection offered to the rest? Even in this case the added protection is minimal given Covenant weapons remain highly effective.

or adding an extra .50 to the top of the tank,

The 50 is mostly useless anyway, the only time it should see use is if the tank has lost all it's supporting elements. (Granted, this happens in the game quite a lot, but Spartan missions aren't typical of UNSC deployment's I'd think.)

or making the air intakes bigger on a Pelican. I mean really, its that simple!

Go tell the RAF that, I'll be over here, laughing.

I think ONI was holding back the UNSC and the war effort for their own personal gains and agenda.

Doubtful, they knew they might lose very soon, they were going all-out to prevent that.

  • 11.05.2011 6:24 AM PDT

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