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Posted by: Sanjeev

Posted by: FTW 1997
Basically flood and gravemind are all one.
If flood exists then there is a gravemind somewhere away....it will know of it and know what that flood group knows.
Also i recon that the "new master" is Spartan117 since MB helped Spartan 117 get to ark and defeat flood.


You're right, the new Master probably is the Chief.

I guess the main point I was getting at was that there is absolutely no guarantee that The Timeless One is the Gravemind. There are and have been multiple Graveminds. I strongly believe that The Timeless One resides outside of any of them, but perhaps has departed knowledge into them?

Maybe its just me who wants The Timeless One to be alive just so that I can see him in all his glory in Halo 4...

No no i also want the timeless one to be alive but its sounds a little unreal...First off at the first explanation of primodium it said go through the flood infested halo filled with rogou ai's and explore the palace of death (dont remember where timeless one comes in but it is stated there. So he is on an infested ring full of flood alone....most likely to get infected.
Second:The ring he was on was MB's ring that was missing for 43 years ...flood has been on it all the time while MB was talking to gravemind. So most likely infested.
Finally:He said his answer is at hand...Means that the answer is the flood...So he knows that precursors made the flood (not prooven but highly likely)and he would merely hesitate to get infected since its his species creation (might sound stupid but has some point in it) To give revenge against the forerunners.

  • 11.07.2011 8:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: Sanjeev
I think the Timeless One looks exactly like what Cryptum described him as: 4 arms, sort of like huge version of a Predator perhaps?

The Gravemind is his puppet.[/quote]
The timeless one is the gravemind we defeated in Halo 3(most likely defeated because he survived one halo activation he can survive another).


See thats what I thought at first, but it kinda makes The Timeless One's introduction into the Halo universe a pointless one if his story is already over, right? That's why I think since the Flood is seemingly the Precursors' creation, the Gravemind, as a construct, is a tool using which the Precursors control the Flood.


You could clearly tell that the "thing" was lying about that.

It was clearly stated not even the ancient humans believed that and greg even implied on his board that it was lying.


Regardless, if the Gravemind that Bias was working with is indeed The Timeless One, it means that guy died a long time ago. The Gravemind we meet in the Halo games is another iteration that managed to grow on Installation 05. They have this whole Flood collective intelligence thing going on, so that means The Timeless One technically still lives in the Flood hivemind and could easily resurface at any point.

One thing to consider, however, is that in the Terminals in Halo 3, Bias tells the Gravemind that he now serves a new master, which I'm going to just go out on a limb, with evidence from the timeline presented in Cryptum, that this new master is The Timeless One.

What this means and where this ends, I don't know. Primordium probably will help fill in some details.

The thing to remember when discussing the Gravemind is that he is not the only Gravemind to ever exist. Hell, there could even be multiple Graveminds that exist at the same time since they all grow from the Flood Proto-Gravemind forms. Its just that this particular Gravemind got pretty far. When seen this way, it doesn't really make sense to just lump The Timeless One into one of these Graveminds.



Yes, all of this was established last year.

What terminal does MB say that? because in the last terminal he says "I once again betray a former master" meaning he is back on the forerunner side.


And The development of a gravemind has always been odd since there have been 3 "proto-graveminds" now in which they have existed in overlapping times yet non of them have turned into graveminds.


The one in halo wars had thousands of years and a planet of biomass yet it is still a "proto gravemind".

The one in "Mona Lisa" was a huge one and even acted differently yet it didn't change.

Which is why last year we came up with the notion that the "gravemind" is just an infected what ever and the "proto" forms are the true flood leaders.

  • 11.07.2011 8:30 AM PDT

Posted by: Ushan
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Last Precursor.

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Posted by: Tucker 051
Last Precursor.


It isn't a precursor.


I do not understand how you could honestly read the book and believe anything it says.EVIL LIES

  • 11.07.2011 12:37 PM PDT

Posted by: Ushan
Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

Well I thought it was the Gravemind but it honestly doesn't feel like it is.

  • 11.07.2011 12:42 PM PDT

yas334229812

ever heard the saying

"the devils greatest trick was convincing the world he did not exist"

i look at the gravemind as a way for humanity to think that they are safe, that there can only be one gravemind ever at any one time and that gravemind is dead.

which is what he is doing pretending he is dead and preparing for an assault. First phase did not work but the second phase may.

First phase according to what i see was to neutralize the ark make sure its useless and handicap all of the universe so no one can redo what the forerunners did. And at the same time if possible defeat all the spacefaring species and use their tech to take over the galaxy. Not a big part of the plan but a minor one.

Now that he saw that he did not defeat the humans he needs the time to build an army to defeat all of them or create a couple of new flood army another double to start an outbreak on many planets. Problem chief will be there before it takes place and that is why medicent bias sent him so that he can halt the building of an invasion force for the flood.

I am not done alot more to add

[Edited on 11.07.2011 1:19 PM PST]

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Tucker 051
Last Precursor.


It isn't a precursor.


I do not understand how you could honestly read the book and believe anything it says.EVIL LIES


What even makes you think that? The Timeless One has no reason whatsoever to lie to the Didact. Lying to us, the reader, in an extended fiction form doesn't make any narrative sense either because its just confusing for everyone. Why introduce something like that, such a huge revelation, and make it a lie? And what in the world has made you jump to such illogical, baseless conclusions?

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Posted by: grey101

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The book describes his body. He is a Precursor, and I believe that he and Gravemind are different beings.


It was clearly stated in the book that the Ancient humans didn't believe he was a precursor and though of it to be an aberration.

Greg bear pretty much implies on his board too that "It" was lying.

and there is more than enough evidence that "it" and the gravemind are one and the same.


That is an interesting point. If he is lying, then it does make sense that he is Gravemind.

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Posted by: Sanjeev

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Tucker 051
Last Precursor.


It isn't a precursor.


I do not understand how you could honestly read the book and believe anything it says.EVIL LIES


What even makes you think that? The Timeless One has no reason whatsoever to lie to the Didact. Lying to us, the reader, in an extended fiction form doesn't make any narrative sense either because its just confusing for everyone. Why introduce something like that, such a huge revelation, and make it a lie? And what in the world has made you jump to such illogical, baseless conclusions?


the fact that Greg bear said "Lets see what the forerunners and precursors were REALLY up to" which implies that the "thing" was lying.

  • 11.07.2011 8:25 PM PDT

yas334229812

not really true.

When i see the Timeless one i see something greater not a simple villain that lies.

I believe it is hiding something distracting us. Using our own beliefs against us.

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not really true.

When i see the Timeless one i see something greater not a simple villain that lies.

I believe it is hiding something distracting us. Using our own beliefs against us.


Exactly.


Notice how it said something that made humans KILL THEMSELVES yet all it tells didact is "I am a precursor". That doesn't add up along with the fact it somehow knows it is the last precursor.

All it is doing is using the information that it gains from questions to screw with peoples heads.


If the flood were really extra galactic then nothing in this galaxy should have prior knowledge of it. So you could say that the precursors created everything in another galaxy that just carried over to here.

  • 11.07.2011 8:36 PM PDT

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you know you just said something about the gravemind i just noticed, if it is what it absorbs then it can not know anything of the past.

But what if it is what it absorbs. what if what it absorbs is an ideology and it changes depending on the strength of the mind.

The flood is everevolving belief.

  • 11.07.2011 8:46 PM PDT

I don't know what he is however I can't wait until Primordium comes out and we get more info on him. Greg did a damn fine job creating a sense of mystery about him.

[Edited on 11.07.2011 9:10 PM PST]

  • 11.07.2011 9:09 PM PDT

Posted by: Ushan
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I just hope Primordium isn't as terribly written and maybe this time I'll actually be able to read a coherent sentence and understand what's happening.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Sanjeev

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Tucker 051
Last Precursor.


It isn't a precursor.


I do not understand how you could honestly read the book and believe anything it says.EVIL LIES


What even makes you think that? The Timeless One has no reason whatsoever to lie to the Didact. Lying to us, the reader, in an extended fiction form doesn't make any narrative sense either because its just confusing for everyone. Why introduce something like that, such a huge revelation, and make it a lie? And what in the world has made you jump to such illogical, baseless conclusions?


the fact that Greg bear said "Lets see what the forerunners and precursors were REALLY up to" which implies that the "thing" was lying.


I don't know dude. Feels like a huge plot point for Greg Bear to just give it away in an online discussion thread. Just feel like you're latching onto one line a bit too strongly.

The Timeless One is definitely part of something a lot more elaborate, but I don't know, you don't know either, no one knows except the fine folks at 343 Industries and of course, Greg Bear.



I can't wait till Primordium comes out.

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Posted by: Sanjeev

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Sanjeev

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Tucker 051
Last Precursor.


It isn't a precursor.


I do not understand how you could honestly read the book and believe anything it says.EVIL LIES


What even makes you think that? The Timeless One has no reason whatsoever to lie to the Didact. Lying to us, the reader, in an extended fiction form doesn't make any narrative sense either because its just confusing for everyone. Why introduce something like that, such a huge revelation, and make it a lie? And what in the world has made you jump to such illogical, baseless conclusions?


the fact that Greg bear said "Lets see what the forerunners and precursors were REALLY up to" which implies that the "thing" was lying.


I don't know dude. Feels like a huge plot point for Greg Bear to just give it away in an online discussion thread. Just feel like you're latching onto one line a bit too strongly.

The Timeless One is definitely part of something a lot more elaborate, but I don't know, you don't know either, no one knows except the fine folks at 343 Industries and of course, Greg Bear.



I can't wait till Primordium comes out.

I agree.
Also i really think he is a precursor....what reason does he have to lie about that ?
Also im not sure niether is any of you is that maybe the didact was old enough that he actually faught in the precurser-forreruner war...if so then the timeless one could not lie.
Also we dont know if he actually is still alive.
If he is now a part of gravemind then the flood well they where always invincible and now they are invincibly invincible.

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Posted by: FTW 1997
I agree.
Also i really think he is a precursor....what reason does he have to lie about that ?
Also im not sure niether is any of you is that maybe the didact was old enough that he actually faught in the precurser-forreruner war...if so then the timeless one could not lie.
Also we dont know if he actually is still alive.
If he is now a part of gravemind then the flood well they where always invincible and now they are invincibly invincible.


Gonna say right here that the Didact probably was not alive during that war. If he was, he would have known that The Timeless One was a Precursor.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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There is nothing "probable" about it We know didacts age from the book along with the age of the forerunner empire. He wasn't alive back then.

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I imagine it to be an ugly screwed-up scorpian-man that some how develops into the Gravemind.
EDIT: Also, I don't think it is a Precursor because it would then have some resemblance to Humans and Forerunners, which it doesn't.

[Edited on 11.08.2011 4:58 PM PST]

  • 11.08.2011 4:56 PM PDT

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Wrong forerunners looked nothing like human or forerunners and forerunners looked nothing like humans. Forerunners looked different depending on the mutations they put on themselves to fit their job or station. But base anatomy they were 6 to 7 feet tall lupine features white hair on their shoulders and manes. Skin that ranged from pink blue white grey and sometimes black. And precursors are described in the books as having 4 arms an anthropod head with a 10 foot tail at its end with a barbs like a scorpiom and they stood around 2 meters tall. As of not thats the truth. Inform urself so you dont look like an idiot

  • 01.04.2012 8:32 PM PDT

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Meant to say forerunners looked nothing like humans, humans looked nothing like forerunners and neither resemble precursors. Using "smart phone" excuse the typos lol

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I kinda see him as something like a Gueta from Reach, has 4 arms, 2 sets of eyes, and can talk.

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