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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: atcommando94

Posted by: GnadeMasta
Traviss said she turned characters into "real people."

If so, then she is saying that Fred, Linda, Kelly, Tom, Olivia and Ash are not characters, The ODSTs are shallow idiots, Lucy is some sort of hero, Halsey is suddenly a guilt-ridden freak that can't come to terms with herself (She obviously has, since she stole the spartans away), Mendez is suddenly a philosophical bastard(lolno, he doesn't HAVE skeletons in his closet), et cetera.

The book is terrible, destroys most of what we know about Sangheili culture, and sets aside one of the single most important aspects Bungie wanted in their universe: Spartans are people too.

According to Traviss, spartans are just little machines that follow orders and don't question -blam!-.
A lot of your arguments don't even make sense. Fred, Linda, Kelly, Tom, Olivia and Ash just werent focused on, that doesn't mean they aren't characters. The ODSTs are a little shallow, but they are just ODSTs. And either way, they don't really seem shallow to me. Lucy is a good character and very human, which completely contradicts what you said. What does Halsey stealing the spartans have anything to do with proving she has no guilt? And Mendez view was ok for me. The spartan training is the skeleton in his closet.

Suddenly demoting a half-dozen major characters into minor ones is okay?

  • 11.06.2011 11:13 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I kinda agree with Anton about the Elites. I've never seen humanity described by the Covenant as "liars" before.

Defilers of Forerunner artifacts sure. Pests yeah. Liars? nope.

Yeah. I mean they would obviously accuse Humanity of denial, lying in the sense of "I did no such thing as touch these Forerunner artefacts", but in Glasslands it seems to be a much more pernicious quip. Humanity are known now as the "Galactic Liars". I have no idea how this could have come about given that the war was not about honesty. I think I know what has happened though. It sounds like they took one of the key points of the Sangheili respect and twisted it into something else. Humanity's creativeness and innovativeness in its tactics was referred to as being one of their greatest strengths and received some admiration for it. Now, it is all suddenly "dishonest and underhanded" and "complex and disgusting".

Jul knows how Humanity are just willing to sacrifice others lives in order to fulfil these strategies. This is referred to in quite a contemptuous fashion. Human's willingness to sacrifice their lives for their comrades or their species was always referred to as a strong point as well. The focus was not on "Oh, look at how the higher ups are liberally spending lives", it was on "Look at how their soldiers are willing to give their lives for their brothers or species". Given that war is all about sacrifice, obviously there must be something extra that Humanity is doing, in Jul's opinion, that involves more that sending soldiers into battle. What exactly this is, is a mystery as is how he knows about something so obfuscated. (I hope this is not a reference to ONI. How should he know about them?)

If you accuse someone as a liar, then you can justify, at least to yourself, that nothing they say is the truth. That means that no matter what they say, no matter how they try to convince you, you can just come up with an ad hoc rebuttal based on the fact that they are liars - Evidence is doctored, eye witnesses are lying/being paid off/being coerced, they have a hidden agenda etc. How convenient then, because without something like this the Sangheili would actually start trusting Humanity after the Great Schism and the 27 years of observing their tenacity, bravery, creativeness and pragmatism, and we would not want that would we? No, because then there would be closure, thus prohibiting 343i from milking the situation any further. The fact that "Galactic Liars" was never referred to once seems to indicate that this is being drawn out. The Sangheili never regarded Humanity as being "special liars" in the old canon. It is so transparent.

  • 11.06.2011 11:19 AM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: atcommando94

Posted by: GnadeMasta
Traviss said she turned characters into "real people."

If so, then she is saying that Fred, Linda, Kelly, Tom, Olivia and Ash are not characters, The ODSTs are shallow idiots, Lucy is some sort of hero, Halsey is suddenly a guilt-ridden freak that can't come to terms with herself (She obviously has, since she stole the spartans away), Mendez is suddenly a philosophical bastard(lolno, he doesn't HAVE skeletons in his closet), et cetera.

The book is terrible, destroys most of what we know about Sangheili culture, and sets aside one of the single most important aspects Bungie wanted in their universe: Spartans are people too.

According to Traviss, spartans are just little machines that follow orders and don't question -blam!-.
A lot of your arguments don't even make sense. Fred, Linda, Kelly, Tom, Olivia and Ash just werent focused on, that doesn't mean they aren't characters. The ODSTs are a little shallow, but they are just ODSTs. And either way, they don't really seem shallow to me. Lucy is a good character and very human, which completely contradicts what you said. What does Halsey stealing the spartans have anything to do with proving she has no guilt? And Mendez view was ok for me. The spartan training is the skeleton in his closet.

Suddenly demoting a half-dozen major characters into minor ones is okay?
Olivia and Ash were never really "Main characters" and for the purpose of Glasslands, yes, having Fred, Linda, Kelly, and Tom be somewhat lesser characters is fine. This story wasn't focused on them. Its hard to tell a story, especially a story with three main plot lines, if you have more than like 6 main characters. And that number was being pushed already.

  • 11.06.2011 11:21 AM PDT


Posted by: atcommando94

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: atcommando94
Oh sorry, misunderstood your previous post. And also, in the story it stated that the Mjolnir armor has nano technology that self upgrades in long periods over long periods of time in cryo.


Don't they make that comment regarding Mark 7 only?

I don't think so.... and the search for a single sentence in an over 400 page book begins.

Ok, direct quote "Hey, you know that suit maintains and upgrades itself when she's in cryo? It's all nanotech."

This is a few hundred pages before it even mentions Naomi even having an M7 helmet and when it does talk about it its brand new.

  • 11.06.2011 11:28 AM PDT

Why are you here?

I always thought the Elites began to like us when they teamed up with us...I mean in Halo 3 they seemed so..jolly.

But I guess not.

  • 11.06.2011 12:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: atcommando94

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: atcommando94

Posted by: GnadeMasta
Traviss said she turned characters into "real people."

If so, then she is saying that Fred, Linda, Kelly, Tom, Olivia and Ash are not characters, The ODSTs are shallow idiots, Lucy is some sort of hero, Halsey is suddenly a guilt-ridden freak that can't come to terms with herself (She obviously has, since she stole the spartans away), Mendez is suddenly a philosophical bastard(lolno, he doesn't HAVE skeletons in his closet), et cetera.

The book is terrible, destroys most of what we know about Sangheili culture, and sets aside one of the single most important aspects Bungie wanted in their universe: Spartans are people too.

According to Traviss, spartans are just little machines that follow orders and don't question -blam!-.
A lot of your arguments don't even make sense. Fred, Linda, Kelly, Tom, Olivia and Ash just werent focused on, that doesn't mean they aren't characters. The ODSTs are a little shallow, but they are just ODSTs. And either way, they don't really seem shallow to me. Lucy is a good character and very human, which completely contradicts what you said. What does Halsey stealing the spartans have anything to do with proving she has no guilt? And Mendez view was ok for me. The spartan training is the skeleton in his closet.

Suddenly demoting a half-dozen major characters into minor ones is okay?
Olivia and Ash were never really "Main characters" and for the purpose of Glasslands, yes, having Fred, Linda, Kelly, and Tom be somewhat lesser characters is fine. This story wasn't focused on them. Its hard to tell a story, especially a story with three main plot lines, if you have more than like 6 main characters. And that number was being pushed already.


Halsey stealing the Spartans away proves that she has come to terms with herself. She wouldn't do something like that without knowing exactly what she was doing. And then all of a sudden she says "herp, we gotta get outta here." Traviss completely demolished Halsey and rebuilt her from the ground up. Fred (who would have taken charge of the whole damn thing) is left a bumbling idiot, just following Halsey around.

"Just ODST's?" You're as bad as Traviss. She gives us these characters and does -blam!- to flesh them out. Their only purpose is to BE there. Fillers. That's stupid.

At the end of GoO, I thought it was blatently obvious Ash was going to become a main character. Olivia, obviously not, but Ash was getting some serious face-time.'

How many lines did Kelly get? Linda? Olivia? Hell, Prone To Drift has more characterization than them.

More than six main characters is difficult? lol. Epic lol. It took me TWO HOURS to read Glasslands. That's a joke.

  • 11.06.2011 12:02 PM PDT

I am a monument to all your sins

This was one of my favorite books yet. It focused more on character development and the characters themselves than nylund's books did, and I liked that. I don't need a book to have much action as long as it is well written and makes me think.

[Edited on 11.06.2011 12:19 PM PST]

  • 11.06.2011 12:19 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

*One-dimensional characters/factions
*A big middle finger to the Great Schism
*Huge technological leaps 3 months after a 20+ year war because we got Forerunner technology!

We've explained this all in multiple threads. If it's that hard to understand, then you'll never get it.

  • 11.06.2011 12:20 PM PDT

I am a monument to all your sins


Posted by: GnadeMasta

Posted by: atcommando94

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: atcommando94

Posted by: GnadeMasta
Traviss said she turned characters into "real people."

If so, then she is saying that Fred, Linda, Kelly, Tom, Olivia and Ash are not characters, The ODSTs are shallow idiots, Lucy is some sort of hero, Halsey is suddenly a guilt-ridden freak that can't come to terms with herself (She obviously has, since she stole the spartans away), Mendez is suddenly a philosophical bastard(lolno, he doesn't HAVE skeletons in his closet), et cetera.

The book is terrible, destroys most of what we know about Sangheili culture, and sets aside one of the single most important aspects Bungie wanted in their universe: Spartans are people too.

According to Traviss, spartans are just little machines that follow orders and don't question -blam!-.
A lot of your arguments don't even make sense. Fred, Linda, Kelly, Tom, Olivia and Ash just werent focused on, that doesn't mean they aren't characters. The ODSTs are a little shallow, but they are just ODSTs. And either way, they don't really seem shallow to me. Lucy is a good character and very human, which completely contradicts what you said. What does Halsey stealing the spartans have anything to do with proving she has no guilt? And Mendez view was ok for me. The spartan training is the skeleton in his closet.

Suddenly demoting a half-dozen major characters into minor ones is okay?
Olivia and Ash were never really "Main characters" and for the purpose of Glasslands, yes, having Fred, Linda, Kelly, and Tom be somewhat lesser characters is fine. This story wasn't focused on them. Its hard to tell a story, especially a story with three main plot lines, if you have more than like 6 main characters. And that number was being pushed already.


Halsey stealing the Spartans away proves that she has come to terms with herself. She wouldn't do something like that without knowing exactly what she was doing. And then all of a sudden she says "herp, we gotta get outta here." Traviss completely demolished Halsey and rebuilt her from the ground up. Fred (who would have taken charge of the whole damn thing) is left a bumbling idiot, just following Halsey around.

"Just ODST's?" You're as bad as Traviss. She gives us these characters and does -blam!- to flesh them out. Their only purpose is to BE there. Fillers. That's stupid.

At the end of GoO, I thought it was blatently obvious Ash was going to become a main character. Olivia, obviously not, but Ash was getting some serious face-time.'

How many lines did Kelly get? Linda? Olivia? Hell, Prone To Drift has more characterization than them.

More than six main characters is difficult? lol. Epic lol. It took me TWO HOURS to read Glasslands. That's a joke.
if it took you two hours to read a 300 page book than you clearly absorbed none of it.

  • 11.06.2011 12:20 PM PDT


Posted by: GnadeMasta

Posted by: atcommando94

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: atcommando94

Posted by: GnadeMasta
Traviss said she turned characters into "real people."

If so, then she is saying that Fred, Linda, Kelly, Tom, Olivia and Ash are not characters, The ODSTs are shallow idiots, Lucy is some sort of hero, Halsey is suddenly a guilt-ridden freak that can't come to terms with herself (She obviously has, since she stole the spartans away), Mendez is suddenly a philosophical bastard(lolno, he doesn't HAVE skeletons in his closet), et cetera.

The book is terrible, destroys most of what we know about Sangheili culture, and sets aside one of the single most important aspects Bungie wanted in their universe: Spartans are people too.

According to Traviss, spartans are just little machines that follow orders and don't question -blam!-.
A lot of your arguments don't even make sense. Fred, Linda, Kelly, Tom, Olivia and Ash just werent focused on, that doesn't mean they aren't characters. The ODSTs are a little shallow, but they are just ODSTs. And either way, they don't really seem shallow to me. Lucy is a good character and very human, which completely contradicts what you said. What does Halsey stealing the spartans have anything to do with proving she has no guilt? And Mendez view was ok for me. The spartan training is the skeleton in his closet.

Suddenly demoting a half-dozen major characters into minor ones is okay?
Olivia and Ash were never really "Main characters" and for the purpose of Glasslands, yes, having Fred, Linda, Kelly, and Tom be somewhat lesser characters is fine. This story wasn't focused on them. Its hard to tell a story, especially a story with three main plot lines, if you have more than like 6 main characters. And that number was being pushed already.


Halsey stealing the Spartans away proves that she has come to terms with herself. She wouldn't do something like that without knowing exactly what she was doing. And then all of a sudden she says "herp, we gotta get outta here." Traviss completely demolished Halsey and rebuilt her from the ground up. Fred (who would have taken charge of the whole damn thing) is left a bumbling idiot, just following Halsey around.

"Just ODST's?" You're as bad as Traviss. She gives us these characters and does -blam!- to flesh them out. Their only purpose is to BE there. Fillers. That's stupid.

At the end of GoO, I thought it was blatently obvious Ash was going to become a main character. Olivia, obviously not, but Ash was getting some serious face-time.'

How many lines did Kelly get? Linda? Olivia? Hell, Prone To Drift has more characterization than them.

More than six main characters is difficult? lol. Epic lol. It took me TWO HOURS to read Glasslands. That's a joke.

Halsey was stealing the spartans to try and save what soul she had left. She wanted to get out only when she found technology that would help the UNSC.

And how could Fred take charge? They are in a forerunner constructed world, how would Fred know anything of what to do. Following Halsey was the right thing since she had the most knowledge on the matter.

The ODSTs are just ODSTs, but Vaz had good characterization and relations with other characters. The other two ODSTs weren't focused on at all.

I never even noticed anything saying Ash would be a main character in GoO. He was just a character that was somewhat more in the spotlight.

Prone had more lines because he actually mattered to the story at hand. None of the Spartans other than Naomi and Lucy NEEDED any lines. They weren't essential to what the story was expressing. My favorite character was Kelly in the Nylund books and I was bummed that she wasn't in it more. But It still was a very good book. Its like your saying LOTR The Third Age sucked for the single reason that it wasn't focused on the characters of the books/movies.

And what does you reading it in two hours have anything to do with the amount of characters? Its difficult writing a cohesive novel with six main characters in less than 500 pages. I personally don't care how long it took you to read the book.

  • 11.06.2011 12:25 PM PDT


Posted by: Darthbill99

Posted by: GnadeMasta

Posted by: atcommando94

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: atcommando94

A lot of your arguments don't even make sense. Fred, Linda, Kelly, Tom, Olivia and Ash just werent focused on, that doesn't mean they aren't characters. The ODSTs are a little shallow, but they are just ODSTs. And either way, they don't really seem shallow to me. Lucy is a good character and very human, which completely contradicts what you said. What does Halsey stealing the spartans have anything to do with proving she has no guilt? And Mendez view was ok for me. The spartan training is the skeleton in his closet.

Suddenly demoting a half-dozen major characters into minor ones is okay?
Olivia and Ash were never really "Main characters" and for the purpose of Glasslands, yes, having Fred, Linda, Kelly, and Tom be somewhat lesser characters is fine. This story wasn't focused on them. Its hard to tell a story, especially a story with three main plot lines, if you have more than like 6 main characters. And that number was being pushed already.


Halsey stealing the Spartans away proves that she has come to terms with herself. She wouldn't do something like that without knowing exactly what she was doing. And then all of a sudden she says "herp, we gotta get outta here." Traviss completely demolished Halsey and rebuilt her from the ground up. Fred (who would have taken charge of the whole damn thing) is left a bumbling idiot, just following Halsey around.

"Just ODST's?" You're as bad as Traviss. She gives us these characters and does -blam!- to flesh them out. Their only purpose is to BE there. Fillers. That's stupid.

At the end of GoO, I thought it was blatently obvious Ash was going to become a main character. Olivia, obviously not, but Ash was getting some serious face-time.'

How many lines did Kelly get? Linda? Olivia? Hell, Prone To Drift has more characterization than them.

More than six main characters is difficult? lol. Epic lol. It took me TWO HOURS to read Glasslands. That's a joke.
if it took you two hours to read a 300 page book than you clearly absorbed none of it.
Actually it was over 400 pages.

  • 11.06.2011 12:27 PM PDT

If none of the other spartans needed any lines... Why mention them as being there at all?

Also, Halsey did that because everything pointed toward humanity being destroyed. She sought to save her Spartans, not her soul.

As for ODST's, why couldn't they use already established ones? They could've had Buck's squad there instead of brand new ones.

  • 11.06.2011 12:53 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
If none of the other spartans needed any lines... Why mention them as being there at all?

Also, Halsey did that because everything pointed toward humanity being destroyed. She sought to save her Spartans, not her soul.

As for ODST's, why couldn't they use already established ones? They could've had Buck's squad there instead of brand new ones.


She said the Spartans were there at all because they were there...

If you didn't understand that Halsey did it because she felt guilty then you need to reread it. She saved the Spartans to save the guilt of them possibly dying in the war.

And they didn't use Bucks squad because with the check ONI did they wanted to find ODSTs that wouldnt speak of classified material and would "get their hands dirty." Everyone in Bucks squad seems too moral for the ONI type work.

  • 11.06.2011 1:00 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: atcommando94
And they didn't use Bucks squad because with the check ONI did they wanted to find ODSTs that wouldnt speak of classified material and would "get their hands dirty." Everyone in Bucks squad seems too moral for the ONI type work.


Even though ONI used Buck's squad previously for a classified op?

  • 11.06.2011 1:04 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: atcommando94
And they didn't use Bucks squad because with the check ONI did they wanted to find ODSTs that wouldnt speak of classified material and would "get their hands dirty." Everyone in Bucks squad seems too moral for the ONI type work.


Even though ONI used Buck's squad previously for a classified op?

But they left him in the dark, the only reason he found out what was going on was Dare told him. Which she wasn't supposed to do. And also, it wasn't nearly the same type of mission they carry out in Glasslands.

[Edited on 11.06.2011 1:09 PM PST]

  • 11.06.2011 1:07 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: atcommando94

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: atcommando94
And they didn't use Bucks squad because with the check ONI did they wanted to find ODSTs that wouldnt speak of classified material and would "get their hands dirty." Everyone in Bucks squad seems too moral for the ONI type work.


Even though ONI used Buck's squad previously for a classified op?

But they left him in the dark, the only reason he found out what was going on was Dare told him. Which she wasn't supposed to do. And also, it wasn't nearly the same type of mission they carry out in Glasslands.


And does that explain why they wouldn't be good with ONI's mission? No.

  • 11.06.2011 1:09 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: atcommando94

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: atcommando94
And they didn't use Bucks squad because with the check ONI did they wanted to find ODSTs that wouldnt speak of classified material and would "get their hands dirty." Everyone in Bucks squad seems too moral for the ONI type work.


Even though ONI used Buck's squad previously for a classified op?

But they left him in the dark, the only reason he found out what was going on was Dare told him. Which she wasn't supposed to do. And also, it wasn't nearly the same type of mission they carry out in Glasslands.


And does that explain why they wouldn't be good with ONI's mission? No.


Wait... the mission they actually went on or the one in Glasslands?

  • 11.06.2011 1:12 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: atcommando94

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: atcommando94

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: atcommando94
And they didn't use Bucks squad because with the check ONI did they wanted to find ODSTs that wouldnt speak of classified material and would "get their hands dirty." Everyone in Bucks squad seems too moral for the ONI type work.


Even though ONI used Buck's squad previously for a classified op?

But they left him in the dark, the only reason he found out what was going on was Dare told him. Which she wasn't supposed to do. And also, it wasn't nearly the same type of mission they carry out in Glasslands.


And does that explain why they wouldn't be good with ONI's mission? No.


Wait... the mission they actually went on or the one in Glasslands?


Why would they not be good with the Glasslands mission?

  • 11.06.2011 1:13 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: atcommando94

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: atcommando94

Posted by: DecepticonCobra

Even though ONI used Buck's squad previously for a classified op?

But they left him in the dark, the only reason he found out what was going on was Dare told him. Which she wasn't supposed to do. And also, it wasn't nearly the same type of mission they carry out in Glasslands.


And does that explain why they wouldn't be good with ONI's mission? No.


Wait... the mission they actually went on or the one in Glasslands?


Why would they not be good with the Glasslands mission?

Because they seem too moral for the type of mission that is being executed. <-(my speculation) Also, they needed three ODSTs, not an entire squad. Plus, Buck and his squad may have already been tasked on another mission.

  • 11.06.2011 1:16 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: atcommando94
Because they seem too moral for the type of mission that is being executed. <-(my speculation) Also, they needed three ODSTs, not an entire squad. Plus, Buck and his squad may have already been tasked on another mission.


What do you mean, too moral?

  • 11.06.2011 1:18 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: atcommando94
Because they seem too moral for the type of mission that is being executed. <-(my speculation) Also, they needed three ODSTs, not an entire squad. Plus, Buck and his squad may have already been tasked on another mission.


What do you mean, too moral?

Like they wouldn't be ok with sabotaging Sangheili society into civil war and doing other assorted ONI skulduggery.

  • 11.06.2011 1:23 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: atcommando94

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: atcommando94
Because they seem too moral for the type of mission that is being executed. <-(my speculation) Also, they needed three ODSTs, not an entire squad. Plus, Buck and his squad may have already been tasked on another mission.


What do you mean, too moral?

Like they wouldn't be ok with sabotaging Sangheili society into civil war and doing other assorted ONI skulduggery.


Where on Earth did you ever get that idea?

  • 11.06.2011 1:24 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: atcommando94

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: atcommando94
Because they seem too moral for the type of mission that is being executed. <-(my speculation) Also, they needed three ODSTs, not an entire squad. Plus, Buck and his squad may have already been tasked on another mission.


What do you mean, too moral?

Like they wouldn't be ok with sabotaging Sangheili society into civil war and doing other assorted ONI skulduggery.


Where on Earth did you ever get that idea?
Like I said, my speculation. But I got that idea from the general way the squad acts in ODST. They just don't seem the type. Or maybe that there would just be others that are more the type to do it.

  • 11.06.2011 1:28 PM PDT

3 years and only 1 ban, try harder next time noobs.

I dislike the direction they are taking the story. Plain and simple.

  • 11.06.2011 2:43 PM PDT

United Armed Forces


Posted by: Darthbill99

Posted by: GnadeMasta

Posted by: atcommando94

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: atcommando94
A lot of your arguments don't even make sense. Fred, Linda, Kelly, Tom, Olivia and Ash just werent focused on, that doesn't mean they aren't characters. The ODSTs are a little shallow, but they are just ODSTs. And either way, they don't really seem shallow to me. Lucy is a good character and very human, which completely contradicts what you said. What does Halsey stealing the spartans have anything to do with proving she has no guilt? And Mendez view was ok for me. The spartan training is the skeleton in his closet.

Suddenly demoting a half-dozen major characters into minor ones is okay?
Olivia and Ash were never really "Main characters" and for the purpose of Glasslands, yes, having Fred, Linda, Kelly, and Tom be somewhat lesser characters is fine. This story wasn't focused on them. Its hard to tell a story, especially a story with three main plot lines, if you have more than like 6 main characters. And that number was being pushed already.


Halsey stealing the Spartans away proves that she has come to terms with herself. She wouldn't do something like that without knowing exactly what she was doing. And then all of a sudden she says "herp, we gotta get outta here." Traviss completely demolished Halsey and rebuilt her from the ground up. Fred (who would have taken charge of the whole damn thing) is left a bumbling idiot, just following Halsey around.

"Just ODST's?" You're as bad as Traviss. She gives us these characters and does -blam!- to flesh them out. Their only purpose is to BE there. Fillers. That's stupid.

At the end of GoO, I thought it was blatently obvious Ash was going to become a main character. Olivia, obviously not, but Ash was getting some serious face-time.'

How many lines did Kelly get? Linda? Olivia? Hell, Prone To Drift has more characterization than them.

More than six main characters is difficult? lol. Epic lol. It took me TWO HOURS to read Glasslands. That's a joke.
if it took you two hours to read a 300 page book than you clearly absorbed none of it.


I apologize if you think that I absorbed none of it because I read quickly.

It was about 3-4 hundred pages of large text and large line spacing. It could have easily been much larger, but Traviss decided that she should totally cliffhanger it and cut it to about half length.

  • 11.06.2011 2:45 PM PDT

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