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Posted by: GnadeMasta
Posted by: atcommando94
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Posted by: atcommando94
Posted by: GnadeMasta
Traviss said she turned characters into "real people."
If so, then she is saying that Fred, Linda, Kelly, Tom, Olivia and Ash are not characters, The ODSTs are shallow idiots, Lucy is some sort of hero, Halsey is suddenly a guilt-ridden freak that can't come to terms with herself (She obviously has, since she stole the spartans away), Mendez is suddenly a philosophical bastard(lolno, he doesn't HAVE skeletons in his closet), et cetera.
The book is terrible, destroys most of what we know about Sangheili culture, and sets aside one of the single most important aspects Bungie wanted in their universe: Spartans are people too.
According to Traviss, spartans are just little machines that follow orders and don't question -blam!-. A lot of your arguments don't even make sense. Fred, Linda, Kelly, Tom, Olivia and Ash just werent focused on, that doesn't mean they aren't characters. The ODSTs are a little shallow, but they are just ODSTs. And either way, they don't really seem shallow to me. Lucy is a good character and very human, which completely contradicts what you said. What does Halsey stealing the spartans have anything to do with proving she has no guilt? And Mendez view was ok for me. The spartan training is the skeleton in his closet.
Suddenly demoting a half-dozen major characters into minor ones is okay? Olivia and Ash were never really "Main characters" and for the purpose of Glasslands, yes, having Fred, Linda, Kelly, and Tom be somewhat lesser characters is fine. This story wasn't focused on them. Its hard to tell a story, especially a story with three main plot lines, if you have more than like 6 main characters. And that number was being pushed already.
Halsey stealing the Spartans away proves that she has come to terms with herself. She wouldn't do something like that without knowing exactly what she was doing. And then all of a sudden she says "herp, we gotta get outta here." Traviss completely demolished Halsey and rebuilt her from the ground up. Fred (who would have taken charge of the whole damn thing) is left a bumbling idiot, just following Halsey around.
"Just ODST's?" You're as bad as Traviss. She gives us these characters and does -blam!- to flesh them out. Their only purpose is to BE there. Fillers. That's stupid.
At the end of GoO, I thought it was blatently obvious Ash was going to become a main character. Olivia, obviously not, but Ash was getting some serious face-time.'
How many lines did Kelly get? Linda? Olivia? Hell, Prone To Drift has more characterization than them.
More than six main characters is difficult? lol. Epic lol. It took me TWO HOURS to read Glasslands. That's a joke.
Halsey was stealing the spartans to try and save what soul she had left. She wanted to get out only when she found technology that would help the UNSC.
And how could Fred take charge? They are in a forerunner constructed world, how would Fred know anything of what to do. Following Halsey was the right thing since she had the most knowledge on the matter.
The ODSTs are just ODSTs, but Vaz had good characterization and relations with other characters. The other two ODSTs weren't focused on at all.
I never even noticed anything saying Ash would be a main character in GoO. He was just a character that was somewhat more in the spotlight.
Prone had more lines because he actually mattered to the story at hand. None of the Spartans other than Naomi and Lucy NEEDED any lines. They weren't essential to what the story was expressing. My favorite character was Kelly in the Nylund books and I was bummed that she wasn't in it more. But It still was a very good book. Its like your saying LOTR The Third Age sucked for the single reason that it wasn't focused on the characters of the books/movies.
And what does you reading it in two hours have anything to do with the amount of characters? Its difficult writing a cohesive novel with six main characters in less than 500 pages. I personally don't care how long it took you to read the book.