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I agree with most of it, except for:

There's no need for a thread rating feature. Make a script or something. If I wanted Facebook then I'd be on Facebook.

Multiple forums in group would be fairly pointless.

I'd like to add a lot to private groups, though. Specifically a search bar, a message all button (you mentioned something similar), and smaller things like total posts (like the public forums have) or ability to have a ranking system based on individual post count.

  • 11.07.2011 1:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Harlow
I agree with most of it, except for:

There's no need for a thread rating feature. Make a script or something. If I wanted Facebook then I'd be on Facebook.

Multiple forums in group would be fairly pointless.

I'd like to add a lot to private groups, though. Specifically a search bar, a message all button (you mentioned something similar), and smaller things like total posts (like the public forums have) or ability to have a ranking system based on individual post count.

This sums up my views quite accurately, and I agree with your ideas for additions to private groups. However, I disagree about having multiple forums in groups. In some groups, I think that different forums could be beneficial, so that different types of discussion could be kept separate. If multiple forums aren't necessary, and would not be beneficial in a particular group, the group could only have one forum.

[Edited on 11.08.2011 10:19 AM PST]

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I think that a Bungie profile page where we get to dress it up and make it look all snazzy is not a great idea. Instead I think the profile page should have more of a live feed to it. Using just the content that is there now I think they could make the page much more dynamic and therefore much more interesting. Your last forum post would show up in a stream, similar to the twitter boxes you see on many websites now. Your latest game stats would show up in a panel with a bunch of cool information. I think the profile pages just need to be revamped rather than completely redone.

  • 11.08.2011 11:16 AM PDT

Posted by: HarlowUserscripts are severely limited in what they can do. The functionality you could get from a built-in site feature compared to a userscript equivalent is stupendous.

On the topic of multiple forums, I probably should have clarified that to specifically mean an administration forum, as there seems to be a lot of groups which need to create secondary groups just for the extra forum for administrative discussion. It seems reasonable then to have a separate "Admin" forum attached to the group, only accessible to those with moderation privileges.

  • 11.08.2011 8:04 PM PDT
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I'll criticize all of the ideas I disagree with. I'd like to add that if I don't disagree with it, it doesn't mean that I agree with it either.

General
- Enhance the site so it does more work for the user instead of vice-versa; more interactivity

Please be more specific.
General
- The site should use its own authentication system where you login with your username and password

That'll help hackers hack.
Forums
- Ability for a user to hide a topic from their view
Profiles
- Ignore user option which extends to the forums

Ignoring a user's posts isn't good.
Forums
- Enable threads to be rated

That won't be good.
Profiles
- Profiles blogs

Who has the time to read a players blog? Can we just use twitter or make a group?
Profiles
- Give users privileges; the more well-behaved they are, the more privileges they receive, and vice-versa.

It'd be interesting, but that's not the B.net's style.

  • 11.08.2011 8:39 PM PDT

Posted by: Izak609
I'll criticize all of the ideas I disagree with. I'd like to add that if I don't disagree with it, it doesn't mean that I agree with it either.

General
- The site should use its own authentication system where you login with your username and password

That'll help hackers hack.
What? How would that benefit hackers? If our accounts where independent from our WLIDs wouldn't that be better?

Forums
- Ability for a user to hide a topic from their view

Profiles
- Ignore user option which extends to the forums

Ignoring a user's posts isn't good.
How? If you see someone spamming and you don't want to see it, why not hide the post? People complain all the time about mods being too slow when it comes to banning spammers/trolls ect. Why not have the ability hide their posts? Filtering topics would benefit users who hate seeing the same topic everyday.

Forums
- Enable threads to be rated

That won't be good.
Please elaborate.

Profiles
- Give users privileges; the more well-behaved they are, the more privileges they receive, and vice-versa.

It'd be interesting, but that's not the B.net's style.
What is the "B.Net" style you speak of? What bad could come out if this?

  • 11.08.2011 8:56 PM PDT

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I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: talon2000
Forums
- Ability for a user to hide a topic from their view

Profiles
- Ignore user option which extends to the forums

Ignoring a user's posts isn't good.
How? If you see someone spamming and you don't want to see it, why not hide the post? People complain all the time about mods being too slow when it comes to banning spammers/trolls ect. Why not have the ability hide their posts? Filtering topics would benefit users who hate seeing the same topic everyday.
At least for me, it's not having to see a spam or troll post for an extended period of time that bothers me but rather that they seem to go unpunished for an extended period of time. In that case, ignoring the post doesn't resolve the problem (nor would it solve the problem even if you didn't want to see it).

Let's, for arguments sake, say we did have the feature to ignore a certain user. What happens if someone quotes the user you ignored? Either you can see that person's post and quote, in which case the ignore feature is useless, or, the person who quotes the person you ignored is ignored as well and then you have inadvertently ignored someone you did not want to ignore.

Even without the problem of feasibility, I still have a problem with giving users the ability to ignore other users because it's just wrong.

  • 11.08.2011 9:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: talon2000
Posted by: Izak609General
- The site should use its own authentication system where you login with your username and password

That'll help hackers hack.
What? How would that benefit hackers? If our accounts where independent from our WLIDs wouldn't that be better?

I'm no expert; but the email/password set up seems like a 2 password system to me.


Posted by: talon2000
Forums
- Ability for a user to hide a topic from their view
Profiles
- Ignore user option which extends to the forums

Ignoring a user's posts isn't good.
How? If you see someone spamming and you don't want to see it, why not hide the post? People complain all the time about mods being too slow when it comes to banning spammers/trolls ect. Why not have the ability hide their posts? Filtering topics would benefit users who hate seeing the same topic everyday.

I could see how hiding a topic would work. But I don't think you should be able to ignore all of a users posts. A moderator will warn/ban bad members; so who'll you ignore, other then those who are already banned?
Posted by: talon2000
Forums
- Enable threads to be rated

That won't be good.
Please elaborate.

It isn't necessary; and I've seen it ruin other sites.
Posted by: talon2000
Posted by: Izak609
[quote]Profiles
- Give users privileges; the more well-behaved they are, the more privileges they receive, and vice-versa.

It'd be interesting, but that's not the B.net's style.
What is the "B.Net" style you speak of? What bad could come out if this?

Bungie.net = B.net. If you read the pinned "FAQ on Bungie.net Member Titles / Prefixes / Bar Colors" topic, you can tell that Bungie doesn't seem interested in giving special users "privileges". We can have another blue flame/recon/red flame epidemic for no reason.

  • 11.08.2011 9:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: dibbs089
Even without the problem of feasibility, I still have a problem with giving users the ability to ignore other users because it's just wrong.
How is it wrong? We don't have an ignore option now, but I ignore many different topics anyway. I don't ignore posts based on who posted them, but I don't see why that's wrong. Rude, perhaps, but it would cut down on flaming in many cases and would provide a quicker solution to problems like shock site spammers.

  • 11.08.2011 9:31 PM PDT

Posted by: dibbs089I can see where you're coming from, and sure, it would probably cause more harm then good. So I would have to agree with you to an extent.


Posted by: Izak609
Posted by: talon2000
Posted by: Izak609General
- The site should use its own authentication system where you login with your username and password

That'll help hackers hack.
What? How would that benefit hackers? If our accounts where independent from our WLIDs wouldn't that be better?

I'm no expert; but the email/password set up seems like a 2 password system to me.
2 password system?

Posted by: talon2000
Forums
- Enable threads to be rated

That won't be good.
Please elaborate.

It isn't necessary; and I've seen it ruin other sites.
And I've seen it benefit other sites. Sure it's not necessary, but so are a lot of other features.

Posted by: talon2000
Posted by: Izak609
[quote]Profiles
- Give users privileges; the more well-behaved they are, the more privileges they receive, and vice-versa.

It'd be interesting, but that's not the B.net's style.
What is the "B.Net" style you speak of? What bad could come out if this?

Bungie.net = B.net. If you read the pinned "FAQ on Bungie.net Member Titles / Prefixes / Bar Colors" topic, you can tell that Bungie doesn't seem interested in giving special users "privileges". We can have another blue flame/recon/red flame epidemic for no reason.

I don't think Daza is talking 'privileges' like in-game privileges, but more like forum privileges e.g. custom avatars. Can you please give me an example of Bungie saying that they aren't interested in giving well behaved members privileges?

  • 11.08.2011 9:46 PM PDT
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"No title is better than any other; they are meant for fun only." -Duardo from the rank topic.

Although, there are "special titles" that give you a custom avatar only. The ways to obtain these privileges are clearly defined; where being nice leaves a unclear line for some users to start begging at.

Not to mention that custom avatar users would have to be closely moderated.

Posted by: talon2000
I don't think Daza is talking 'privileges' like in-game privileges, but more like forum privileges e.g. custom avatars. Can you please give me an example of Bungie saying that they aren't interested in giving well behaved members privileges?


[Edited on 11.08.2011 10:01 PM PST]

  • 11.08.2011 10:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Izak609
Posted by: talon2000
I don't think Daza is talking 'privileges' like in-game privileges, but more like forum privileges e.g. custom avatars. Can you please give me an example of Bungie saying that they aren't interested in giving well behaved members privileges?

"No title is better than any other; they are meant for fun only." -Duardo from the rank topic.

Although, there are "special titles" that give you a custom avatar only. The ways to obtain these privileges are clearly defined; where being nice leaves a unclear line for some users to start begging at.

Not to mention that custom avatar users would have to be closely moderated.
First of all, Durado is not Bungie and does not speak for Bungie, but he's right on that one. Secondly, I'm not talking about privileges based on titles, you're the one that bought the title thread into this. I'm talking about privileges based on overall behaviour. Anyone can get a high title.

  • 11.08.2011 10:12 PM PDT
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I'm sorry for misinterpreting you. What system of determining a user's privileges are you proposing?

I'm pretty sure we can't fairly distribute privileges based on everything a member does; it'd be too much work.

Posted by: talon2000
First of all, Durado is not Bungie and does not speak for Bungie, but he's right on that one. Secondly, I'm not talking about privileges based on titles, you're the one that bought the title thread into this. I'm talking about privileges based on overall behaviour. Anyone can get a high title.


[Edited on 11.08.2011 10:52 PM PST]

  • 11.08.2011 10:34 PM PDT

Posted by: Izak609
I'm sorry for misinterpreting you. What system of determining a user's privileges are you proposing?

I'm pretty sure we can't fairly distribute privileges based on everything a member does; it'd be too much work.
The existing trust rating system seems like it would be a good place to start for that.

In regard to having an ignore user feature, I'm not quite sure what the big fuss about it is. "I" should have as much control as possible when it comes down to the content that fills the page. If someone is filling it with stuff that I'm tired of reading, I should be able to get rid of it. If I lose out on replies they make, that's my problem and nobody else's - I'll have control of it, and I'll deal with it. Consider how different it would be for the site to automatically ignore someone as compared to me already skipping over their constant drivel at present? With the former at least I don't have to see it on the screen.


Edit: Just for something interesting, I propose that being able to create a group should be an attainable privilege given based on a user's trust rating.

[Edited on 11.08.2011 11:09 PM PST]

  • 11.08.2011 11:07 PM PDT
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I don't trust the trust system; it doesn't really trust me either. *shrugs*

Ignoring a player's messages is understandable; but completely ignoring a user that's following all the rules and is only being themselves sounds really bad to me.

How about you do that group thing based on our time spent without a ban instead? :D

Posted by: dazarobbo
The existing trust rating system seems like it would be a good place to start for that.

In regard to having an ignore user feature, I'm not quite sure what the big fuss about it is. "I" should have as much control as possible when it comes down to the content that fills the page. If someone is filling it with stuff that I'm tired of reading, I should be able to get rid of it. If I lose out on replies they make, that's my problem and nobody else's - I'll have control of it, and I'll deal with it. Consider how different it would be for the site to automatically ignore someone as compared to me already skipping over their constant drivel at present? With the former at least I don't have to see it on the screen.


Edit: Just for something interesting, I propose that being able to create a group should be an attainable privilege given based on a user's trust rating.


[Edited on 11.08.2011 11:24 PM PST]

  • 11.08.2011 11:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

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Posted by: dibbs089
Even without the problem of feasibility, I still have a problem with giving users the ability to ignore other users because it's just wrong.
How is it wrong? We don't have an ignore option now, but I ignore many different topics anyway. I don't ignore posts based on who posted them, but I don't see why that's wrong. Rude, perhaps, but it would cut down on flaming in many cases and would provide a quicker solution to problems like shock site spammers.
Of course topics will get ignored. I would expect people come here to read topics they are interested in. No one can read everything on this site, nor should anyone be forced to (if that was even possible). I would have no qualms with an advanced search feature that would be able to filter topics to your specifications - to allow you to get at what you enjoy reading or discussing in a better way than the current system.

Making an individual user disappear is an entirely different matter. I have to operate with the assumption that the hidden posts which accompany a ban are seen as a severe punishment (presuming, of course, that what the moderators say in relation to it isn't entirely bull-blam!-). With that in mind, having your posts removed is punishment for violating the rules. I am exceptionally uncomfortable with giving users the ability to do that for people who do not break the rules (since they would be taken care of by the moderation team anyway) but whose presence is for one reason or another an inconvenience for them. I don't want to make generalizations but in many, many threads I see that people say that they judge based on the content of the post; not who is posting. I have to wonder why people are so ready to exclude privately but not announce their moral failings (and it is a moral failing) publicly. I'm well aware that you could easily block it out by seeing the name and simply not reading the post, but why should we make it easier to do? The point of a discussion is to see viewpoints which you may potentially hate and disagree with but which hopefully allow you to thoroughly examine your own.

I know you guys demand completely thorough and perfect answers in regards to statements of belief, but for this specific point I really can't put it into words. I feel, deep down, that a feature like this would simply be wrong.

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  • 11.09.2011 6:34 AM PDT

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  • 11.09.2011 6:41 AM PDT

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I like most of the ideas presented. I'm not a big fan of a thread rating feature though. And other than submitting news what would we need a "strike-through" feature for?

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It's a good idea; but where will the floodians (that get banned a lot) go?

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  • 11.09.2011 8:21 AM PDT

I spend too much time here.. too much time indeed.

I tweet?

I'd like to see some of the things listed implemented, hell, I've actually made more than one thread about the ability to hide user's posts and ignore users on the forums. I believe Duck duck DEATH was opposed to the idea then as well... jerk.

I also agree with Skibur.
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  • 11.09.2011 9:04 AM PDT

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