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Subject: So we can make political threads as long as they dont turn into flame

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I find the forum title of this thread is stupid. I can interpret the title like this:

It's okay to muder people as long as you don't get caught?

Answer: WTF NO?!?!

  • 11.07.2011 6:27 PM PDT

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>hasn't read any of the discussion in this thread; excuse my derp

I think what mods are trying to say is that to minimize conflict, political threads are strictly not allowed. They are not going to take any chances with political threads or are they going to judge every single political thread on whether it is tame or not. By simply restricting political threads period, we have avoided conflict from people putting their opinions against mods opinion on whether or not a thread is "un-lit".

  • 11.07.2011 6:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: x Foman123 x

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: x Foman123 x

Posted by: Xplode441
- Political or religious discussion is prohibited.
Straight from the rules. It doesn't specify if the thread is civil or not, it just says prohibited.
Exactly. The rules are not circumstantial. Political and religious discussion are prohibited, end of story. The rule is not difficult to interpret.
They're actually completely circumstantial most of the time...
No. Every rule is enforced as it is written regardless of the circumstances.

We run across this issue a lot and it somewhat boggles my mind how often I have to explain it. Someone will evade the profanity filter and when they are warned/banned, message me saying "but I had to because of the subject matter we were discussing." Nope. The rule against profanity filter evasion applies regardless of circumstances. Same with the other rules. It's not okay to post off-topic if the thread is "really important." It's not okay to post spam if it's funny. It's not okay to flame or harass other members if they deserve it.

Not sure where you think any of our rules say "this rule may not apply depending on the circumstances," but if you think any of them do, please enlighten.
You're telling me every political thread gets locked? You're telling me that moderators won't go "Well, it isn't REALLY all that political when you think about it." to justify participating in- and not locking a political thread? False.

I saw several mods participate in VII_Toast's "The troops don't protect our freedom" thread. Clearly political. When dozens upon dozens of pages. Never locked. Justified poorly. Left alive.

The rules are subjective and so are the situations they're applied in.

Sure, there are some cut and dry moderation situations such as all caps posting, posting in the wrong forum, ad hominem offensive comments, etc. But, lots of them are subjective and are enforced that way.

And before you use the argument "We can't get to everything. We're not on all the time." I know. I really do. But it's to the point that it's very obvious subjectivity. Maybe you can't see it because you're "on the other end of the fence" as it were, I honestly don't know. That's just how I see it.

[Edited on 11.07.2011 6:36 PM PST]

  • 11.07.2011 6:32 PM PDT

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Yet again, I think this thread would be more effecient if its purpose was to see what they moderators define as "political".
It seems to me that a discussion on a current event is appropriate, but one on what you would do, what someone should do, or something a political figure did is not permitted.
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

You're telling me every political thread gets locked? You're telling me that moderators won't go "Well, it isn't REALLY all that political when you think about it." to justify participating in- and not locking a political thread? False.

I saw several mods participates in VII_Toast's "The troops don't protect our freedom" thread. Clearly political. When dozens upon dozens of pages. Never locked. Justified poorly. Left alive.

The rules are subjective and so are the situations they're applied in.

Sure, there are some cut and dry moderation situations such as all caps posting, posting in the wrong forum, ad hominem offensive comments, etc. But, lots of them are subjective and are enforced that way.

And before you use the argument "We can't get to everything. We're not on all the time." I know. I really do. But it's to the point that it's very obvious subjectivity. Maybe you can't see it because you're "on the other end of the fence" as it were, I honestly don't know. That's just how I see it.

  • 11.07.2011 6:35 PM PDT


Posted by: x Foman123 x

Posted by: coolmike699

Posted by: x Foman123 x
Not sure where you think any of our rules say "this rule may not apply depending on the circumstances," but if you think any of them do, please enlighten.


The rules do not apply to moderators.
That's a ridiculous statement. One of our Master Forum Ninjas just banned himself for 7 days after it was pointed out that he had violated a rule. And that happened only two months ago.

What do you think would happen if a moderator started spamming links to shock sites or otherwise blatantly violating forum rules? Everyone would just stand by and watch it happen?

If you're talking about whether one forum ninja will lock/warn/ban another's "gray area" post, that's completely irrelevant to the subject at hand. Not that this stops some people from bringing it up at every opportunity...

The rules are not enforced "as is". Different moderators enforce the rules differently.
The way the rules are interpreted and enforced has absolutely no bearing on whether or not any of our rules "do not apply under certain circumstances." Of course they are enforced "as is," but in some gray areas, one moderator might interpret the rule -- or the post -- differently than another. Sorry, but... deal with it.


As for my first statement... whoops. I wasn't paying attention there, I meant to say something else. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Maybe I should stay off this site during class.

As for the second one, I never said that just because the moderators enforce the rules differently means that rules do not apply. I was arguing your point that they are not always enforced "as-is".

And I do deal with it, by bringing it up. If you don't like that, well... deal with it. And bear in mind that I simply think that there are some very simple things that could be done to reduce (not eliminate, reduce) the amount of grey area that there is. It's not that I have anything against you.

[Edited on 11.07.2011 7:59 PM PST]

  • 11.07.2011 7:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
I saw several mods participate in VII_Toast's "The troops don't protect our freedom" thread. Clearly political. When dozens upon dozens of pages. Never locked. Justified poorly. Left alive.
Not sure why you think a thread about whether troops protect our freedom is "political." I didn't see that thread, but from the subject matter indicated in the OP, it has nothing to do with politics.

  • 11.07.2011 8:00 PM PDT

A flute with no holes is not a flute, a donut with no holes is a Danish.

Political threads never end well, I've seen some last over 10,000 pages and never die.

  • 11.08.2011 6:35 AM PDT

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