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Subject: so does everyone see halsey as a monster?

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i personally do not.. i mean, sure. she kidnapped a few dozen kids, killed some, and turned the rest into war machines. but in all honesties, without the Spartan II project, humanity would have died. all the children that died at her hands would be dead anyways. i think she did the right thing for humanity. maybe not for the few souls she destroyed... but i know that if it was me or a plane full of people. id rather be killed. thats just me...

TL;DR- what do you guys think?

  • 11.08.2011 10:48 AM PDT
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Nope i see her as a good mother.
If your ribs are broken thats OK.

  • 11.08.2011 10:52 AM PDT

i need some sleep.....

i hate bees...

no rest for the weary...

I dunno, I just read the Glasslands book, and I sort of got the feeling of the "good mother" thing may have been an act for a lot of it till she started feeling guilty about it... maybe not a monster, but by the end of the book I don't think I had a lot of sympathy for her.

  • 11.08.2011 10:59 AM PDT

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No. Terrorism was going to cut off the head of the UNSC. She created something that would effectively eliminate that threat quickly and quietly. This would later turn out to be a miracle, as the Spartan program (I, II, and III) would play a crucial role in securing the survival of Humanity from not only the Covenant, but also the Halo Effect and the Flood.

TL;DR: She did what was best for the UNSC and (unknowingly at the time) Humanity.

  • 11.08.2011 10:59 AM PDT

She shows both sides I guess; motherly and "brutal". But I've always seen her as more of a caring person since she shows compassion and regret towards the Spartan II's

  • 11.08.2011 11:05 AM PDT


Posted by: Admaster
I dunno, I just read the Glasslands book, and I sort of got the feeling of the "good mother" thing may have been an act for a lot of it till she started feeling guilty about it... maybe not a monster, but by the end of the book I don't think I had a lot of sympathy for her.


Glasslands shoves "HALSEY IS BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD FOR LIKING HER" down your thought though.

  • 11.08.2011 11:07 AM PDT

I haven't read "Glasslands" yet, so maybe I should reserve my judgement...

  • 11.08.2011 11:10 AM PDT

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i think that its a touchy subject. i do think that for anyone you would have thaty guilt after, but at the time she didnt know about the covenant. which means that the purpose she made them for wasint that great of one...

  • 11.08.2011 11:11 AM PDT
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Its said in books that she wanted to make sure all where safe but unsc wanted that project fast and if she wouldnt do it she would get replaced by some douche bag that dosent have mercy and might kill them all.
And she did it for UEG to save people even though she didnt know bout covenant.

  • 11.08.2011 11:19 AM PDT


Posted by: floodpocalypse
i think that its a touchy subject. i do think that for anyone you would have thaty guilt after, but at the time she didnt know about the covenant. which means that the purpose she made them for wasint that great of one...


Hinted that ONI knew or suspected the Covenant beforehand.

And you say making Spartans to avoid all out war is a bad one? To take out the leaders and recover nukes from guys willing to use them against purely civilian targets, causing deaths in the millions, with millions more wounded or expected to die?

  • 11.08.2011 11:31 AM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

I havent read Glasslands yet, but from the rest of the books, I wouldint call her a monster straight out.

She did what had to be done. Was it right? No. But it was necessary.

  • 11.08.2011 11:44 AM PDT
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Halo 2 isn't dead jorge...... its just missing in action.
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From what it've read, played and seen: No. In simplest.

  • 11.08.2011 12:52 PM PDT

Posted by: Ushan
Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

I like Halsey, what she did was perfectly fine.

  • 11.08.2011 12:55 PM PDT

You are in germany, you hawe active camo and sniper rifle.
You see Hitler, you can kill him and save over 100.000.000 people or you can hesitate and not take the shoot, and doom many inocent people.

Halsey did what should be done.

  • 11.08.2011 12:58 PM PDT

Posted by: Ushan
Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

Posted by: AnubissWarior
You are in germany, you hawe active camo and sniper rifle.
You see Hitler, you can kill him and save over 100.000.000 people or you can hesitate and not take the shoot, and doom many inocent people.

Halsey did what should be done.
Terrible comparison. I understand what you're trying to say but little 6 year old kids are not Hitler.

  • 11.08.2011 1:01 PM PDT


Posted by: Tucker 051
Posted by: AnubissWarior
You are in germany, you hawe active camo and sniper rifle.
You see Hitler, you can kill him and save over 100.000.000 people or you can hesitate and not take the shoot, and doom many inocent people.

Halsey did what should be done.
Terrible comparison. I understand what you're trying to say but little 6 year old kids are not Hitler.

you can kidnap 300 6yr old kids and save galaxy from
1st.All out human/human war.
2nd.Human/covenant war.
3rd.Human /halo,flood effect.

  • 11.08.2011 1:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: AnubissWarior

Posted by: Tucker 051
Posted by: AnubissWarior
You are in germany, you hawe active camo and sniper rifle.
You see Hitler, you can kill him and save over 100.000.000 people or you can hesitate and not take the shoot, and doom many inocent people.

Halsey did what should be done.
Terrible comparison. I understand what you're trying to say but little 6 year old kids are not Hitler.

you can kidnap 300 6yr old kids and save galaxy from
1st.All out human/human war.
2nd.Human/covenant war.
3rd.Human /halo,flood effect.


She didn't know about the Covenant at the time. She did not know about Halo or the Flood at that time. Her reason was to stop the Insurrection from getting any worse than it already was.

If it was purely the Insurrection, I probably would of disliked her. Normal marines could of handled it, eventually. The fact that the Covenant and the Flood appeared on the galactic stage is her only saving grace, in my opinion.

  • 11.08.2011 1:19 PM PDT


Posted by: Atomic Tea

Posted by: AnubissWarior

Posted by: Tucker 051
Posted by: AnubissWarior
You are in germany, you hawe active camo and sniper rifle.
You see Hitler, you can kill him and save over 100.000.000 people or you can hesitate and not take the shoot, and doom many inocent people.

Halsey did what should be done.
Terrible comparison. I understand what you're trying to say but little 6 year old kids are not Hitler.

you can kidnap 300 6yr old kids and save galaxy from
1st.All out human/human war.
2nd.Human/covenant war.
3rd.Human /halo,flood effect.


She didn't know about the Covenant at the time. She did not know about Halo or the Flood at that time. Her reason was to stop the Insurrection from getting any worse than it already was.

If it was purely the Insurrection, I probably would of disliked her. Normal marines could of handled it, eventually. The fact that the Covenant and the Flood appeared on the galactic stage is her only saving grace, in my opinion.

Didn't i say this?
1.humanity/humanity war

  • 11.08.2011 1:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: AnubissWarior

Posted by: Atomic Tea

Posted by: AnubissWarior

Posted by: Tucker 051
Posted by: AnubissWarior
You are in germany, you hawe active camo and sniper rifle.
You see Hitler, you can kill him and save over 100.000.000 people or you can hesitate and not take the shoot, and doom many inocent people.

Halsey did what should be done.
Terrible comparison. I understand what you're trying to say but little 6 year old kids are not Hitler.

you can kidnap 300 6yr old kids and save galaxy from
1st.All out human/human war.
2nd.Human/covenant war.
3rd.Human /halo,flood effect.


She didn't know about the Covenant at the time. She did not know about Halo or the Flood at that time. Her reason was to stop the Insurrection from getting any worse than it already was.

If it was purely the Insurrection, I probably would of disliked her. Normal marines could of handled it, eventually. The fact that the Covenant and the Flood appeared on the galactic stage is her only saving grace, in my opinion.

Didn't i say this?
1.humanity/humanity war


You don't "save the galaxy from" a human/human war. You save a government from a human/human war. The Insurrection was fought because some disagreed with the direction the UEG was headed. Halsey only created the Spartan Program to keep the UEG on top.

The other two reasons you listed shouldn't be on that list because those reasons were not taken into account when she made the Program.

[Edited on 11.08.2011 1:24 PM PST]

  • 11.08.2011 1:24 PM PDT

i think this is one of those times where the ends justified the means. however, that does not mean that the means are ok. what halsey did was horrible, i dont think there is any questioning that.

as for halsey being bad, i would say she is slightly bad but very close to neutral between good and bad. she does not really feel any remorse for what she did even though she knows it was wrong. that is why i think she is slightly bad

  • 11.08.2011 1:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: SHADOWJUDGE10
i think this is one of those times where the ends justified the means. however, that does not mean that the means are ok. what halsey did was horrible, i dont think there is any questioning that.

as for halsey being bad, i would say she is slightly bad but very close to neutral between good and bad. she does not really feel any remorse for what she did even though she knows it was wrong. that is why i think she is slightly bad



I love how karen created the perception that the entire Spartan project was done by halesy alone.


The UNSC and ONI both funded and supported the project and asked for more. So Halesy only did what she was asked to do.

Blame the officer not the private.

  • 11.08.2011 1:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: SHADOWJUDGE10
i think this is one of those times where the ends justified the means. however, that does not mean that the means are ok. what halsey did was horrible, i dont think there is any questioning that.

as for halsey being bad, i would say she is slightly bad but very close to neutral between good and bad. she does not really feel any remorse for what she did even though she knows it was wrong. that is why i think she is slightly bad



I love how karen created the perception that the entire Spartan project was done by halesy alone.


The UNSC and ONI both funded and supported the project and asked for more. So Halesy only did what she was asked to do.

Blame the officer not the private.


I don't think Karen was trying to convey that at all.

I think it was more of Parangosky feeling bitter about the fact that Halsey kept a few things from the II Program from her.

  • 11.08.2011 1:34 PM PDT

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It's a metaphor for the 07s' lack of identity. too old to be newfa­g, yet too new to be oldfa­g, we wander b.net in search of a home, forever trying to be something we are not.

I have not yet read Glasslands but from what I know of her from every other novel, game, or whatever, she seems like a person who did the best she could in a bad situation.

  • 11.08.2011 1:35 PM PDT


Posted by: Atomic Tea

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: SHADOWJUDGE10
i think this is one of those times where the ends justified the means. however, that does not mean that the means are ok. what halsey did was horrible, i dont think there is any questioning that.

as for halsey being bad, i would say she is slightly bad but very close to neutral between good and bad. she does not really feel any remorse for what she did even though she knows it was wrong. that is why i think she is slightly bad



I love how karen created the perception that the entire Spartan project was done by halesy alone.


The UNSC and ONI both funded and supported the project and asked for more. So Halesy only did what she was asked to do.

Blame the officer not the private.


I don't think Karen was trying to convey that at all.

I think it was more of Parangosky feeling bitter about the fact that Halsey kept a few things from the II Program from her.



I agree with both of you.
however, i cant remember where i saw this, but in glasslands, halsey, parangosky, and mendez seem to portray the neutral, angry, and repentative mindsets respectively.
i'm not trying to say halsey did everything for S-II project but she was the head of the project.

  • 11.08.2011 1:37 PM PDT

Of course halsey is a monster. She is an unnatural woman.
She has to be to do the things she did.

Was it all necessary and therefore right though? Thats for us to decide isnt it.

  • 11.08.2011 7:35 PM PDT