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Posted by: grey101
Posted by: Atomic Tea
Posted by: FTW 1997
Your very wrong...She took 300 children to save them infact...
Look if she hadnt made spartans not 300 children but millions of people would die and she knew that...
If there werent spartans millions of cavillians would die and most of the children would die also from that war...
So she did the right thing...
Normal marines are much weaker and would die rapidly...
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You obviously can't comprehend what a normal Marine can do. Could they have won the war against the Insurrection without the Spartans? You bet, just look at what ODSTs can do. Could they have won the war against the Covenant without the Spartans? Probably not.
I don't think she needed to kidnap 300 children and experiment on them for something as trivial as terrorism. I say trivial because I'm comparing it to the Human-Covenant war, which was far worse in comparison.
Is kidnapping 300 children and performing shady experiments on them a moral thing to do? No. Did it need to be done? Once the Covenant declared genocide against Humanity, I suppose it was needed.
The moral and the need balance each other out, making this a very grey argument. As others have stated, what she did was wrong, but it needed to be done in the end.[/quote]
I think you are undermining the Rebels because they were more than a handful for the UNSC. If they could have won with just marines then they would have just used marines.
I swear if i need to address this again i am going to snap. Halesy's Spartan Program was supported and funded by the UNSC and ONI she did not run off and do this alone.[/quote]
Chill out. Now.
I never said Halsey did it alone. I NEVER said that the UNSC and ONI did not support her.
Could the UNSC overcome the Insurrection? Yes. Eventually. Take a look at the size and strength of the UNSC without the Spartans during the Human-Covenant war. Since we don't really know the strength of the Insurrection, I'll make an assumption.
Do they have more than a few thousand soldiers? Sure. Do they have as many as the UNSC has? No. Do they have some warships? Sure they do. Do they have as many as the UNSC? Probably not.
My opinion remains. UNSC could have overcome the Insurrection, eventually. Spartans were not ABSOLUTELY necessary to fight the Insurrection.[/quote]
"Chill out" or what? nothing.
I don't think she needed to kidnap 300 children and experiment on them for something as trivial as terrorism.
Is kidnapping 300 children and performing shady experiments on them a moral thing to do?
The wording is pretty clear that you implied halesy did it all by herself when in reality she did what was asked of her.
The UNSC wouldn't have beat the Innes without a massive civil war in which they still probably wouldn't have beat them. We don't know where the Innes are,they steal ships like nothing, bomb citys like nothing, and even had a huge base the UNSC didn't know about.
The point of the spartans was to stop it from escalating and using the best of technology to have a hundred or so do the job of millions. Even then Innes even gave SPARTANS trouble.
If the UNSC and innes went to war then humanity would be split and ultimately weaker when the covenant attacked;because that is the main point. Because the UNSC was fighting the Innes they were more prepared to fight the covenant. Even when humanity was facing being the cockroaches of the galaxy the insurrection did not help.
umadbro?
Here we go again. According to Halsey, SHE (NOT ONI SPOOKS) went to each and every Spartan, examined them, and took them to Reach. She also was the OVERSEER of the experimentation process. Get your head out of your ass for once.
You seem to be implying that ONI didn't have spies within the Insurrection. You seem to be implying that ONI didn't steal the ships that were stolen from them. Just because we haven't heard about it yet doesn't mean it couldn't happen. You also make it sound like the UNSC has never bombed an Insurrectionist city. Did the Insurrection know about the bases the UNSC had on Onyx?
I'm basing this scenario on if the Covenant DIDN'T appear. Now that the Covenant war is over, the UNSC is fragile, and the Insurrection is without a doubt the most major threat. How will the UNSC react? Wait for the next book. It's pretty obvious that they'll be using Forerunner tech now.
I have no reason to be mad.
So your telling me that a civilian was the head of the entire project and nobody in the military was watching her? you obviously didn't read Glasslands because Halesy was being watched like a fox. Hell, even in TFoR she states she is constantly being watched by ONI heads.
Everything she did was allowed to happen by the government the only part they did know about until later was the cloning.
Of-course ONI had spys but rebels being rebels are going to be better than a military force. Example being how the Spartans got captured despite having "good intel" which was actually an elaborate plot.
If ONI stole back the ships that got stolen then it wouldn't be a big deal and the Innes wouldn't have so many ships and equipment. I think it was shown in halo evolutions how troublesome the innes stealing ships really was and nothing could really be done about it.
Um the UNSC never bombed an innie city because that would gain support for the innes. Once the innies started nuking places on Reach and other worlds the gloves came off.
Most of the UNSC didn't know about Onyx so that was bad attempt.
I am fully aware of that. Regardless the UNSC would never fully but the innies because they are an ideology not a force. So regardless of what was done innies will always be around unless a change happens. A full scale war would only end up in the innies favor.
I've read and finished Glasslands. What's your point? You can still be the head of a black project. Not once did I say she was never watched closely by Parangosky, so I don't know where that's coming from.
Rebels being rebels are going to be better than a military force? What? Elaborate.
So if the Insurrection nuked one of your cities, you wouldn't retaliate with a precision bombing campaign? Wouldn't the citizens of the UEG be pretty upset if the UNSC did nothing to retaliate after the Insurrection kept nuking their planets? This is where the Spartans come onto the scene. You already know my stance on this, so I'm not going to repeat it.
The UNSC didn't know about many of the things ONI did. Hood knew about Onyx, and so did ONI brass. I don't really see what you're getting at on this point. Did the Insurrection tell every one of their soldiers about their bases? No. Why? Spies.