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The Spartans she created that saved Humanity weren't meant for that purpose, they were meant to quell uprisings. It was only a coincidence that the Spartans (who actually lived) were made just a short time before the Covenant attacked.

She stole a hundred kids away from their families, did unspeakable things to them, and almost every single one of them either ended up dead or crippled. The rest were just war machines.

And she 'felt bad'?

She's a monster.

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Posted by: grey101
Since when are Ethics written in stone? they are no more than moral guidelines you live your life by.


If what you said was even remotely true then the term "The ends justify the means" wouldn't exist.

Morality is subjective just like everything else.

It is hard to point out that how she got her results were not, in any ways, wrong. Stealing children away, performing deadly augmentation experiments on them, altering the futures they could have had? It is hard to say that is, in any way, the right way.

Her intentions (i.e. saying humanity from implosion, due to civil war, helping in the Human-Covenant war effort) may have been good -in fact great - but it is the how that is important.

Then again, moral bounds are subjective like you said. It just gets to me how people say what she did was right, completely ignoring the how.

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hey, they're spartans and as tradition spartans are trained as children.

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What i just find annoying about Glasslands is the characters dont seem to get the bigger picture. Youre at war with a conglomorate of species that want to exterminate you. The Spartans saved millions of lives at the cost of about 75. I think what Halsey did was what needed to be done to have any chance in saving humanity.

I also find it strange how they all seem to see just Halsey as a monster, when the high authority figures in ONI were the ones who approved and funded the actual program, theyre just as bad as Halsey yet they pin all the blame on her, making her the scapegoat.

I love the ending of glasslands with that fight, I hate that progranscy chick (spelling), she knew and approved multiple spartan programs yet she makes Halsey look evil while she tries to act innocent. Cant wait till that -blam!- dies.

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Posted by: cameo_cream
What i just find annoying about Glasslands is the characters dont seem to get the bigger picture. Youre at war with a conglomorate of species that want to exterminate you. The Spartans saved millions of lives at the cost of about 75. I think what Halsey did was what needed to be done to have any chance in saving humanity.

I also find it strange how they all seem to see just Halsey as a monster, when the high authority figures in ONI were the ones who approved and funded the actual program, theyre just as bad as Halsey yet they pin all the blame on her, making her the scapegoat.

I love the ending of glasslands with that fight, I hate that progranscy chick (spelling), she knew and approved multiple spartan programs yet she makes Halsey look evil while she tries to act innocent. Cant wait till that -blam!- dies.

You do know that the one you call chick is 92 years old ?

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Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: cameo_cream
What i just find annoying about Glasslands is the characters dont seem to get the bigger picture. Youre at war with a conglomorate of species that want to exterminate you. The Spartans saved millions of lives at the cost of about 75. I think what Halsey did was what needed to be done to have any chance in saving humanity.

I also find it strange how they all seem to see just Halsey as a monster, when the high authority figures in ONI were the ones who approved and funded the actual program, theyre just as bad as Halsey yet they pin all the blame on her, making her the scapegoat.

I love the ending of glasslands with that fight, I hate that progranscy chick (spelling), she knew and approved multiple spartan programs yet she makes Halsey look evil while she tries to act innocent. Cant wait till that -blam!- dies.

You do know that the one you call chick is 92 years old ?


The difference between Halsey and Parangosky are the methods they use. The ORION Project, Spartan III Project, and the Spartan IV Project used/use consenting volunteers. The Spartan II Program used kidnapped children.

Just pointing out the facts. Not saying which one is right and wrong.

This is why Parangosky believes she has the "moral high ground" when she confronts Halsey. It's not because Karen is trying to depict Halsey as a demon, its simply because Parangosky DOES have the moral high ground in the eyes of the UNSC or whoever. I'm rather sick of everyone flaming Karen. If you don't like it, take it up with the already established canon. She's just telling it like it is.

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Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: cameo_cream
What i just find annoying about Glasslands is the characters dont seem to get the bigger picture. Youre at war with a conglomorate of species that want to exterminate you. The Spartans saved millions of lives at the cost of about 75. I think what Halsey did was what needed to be done to have any chance in saving humanity.

I also find it strange how they all seem to see just Halsey as a monster, when the high authority figures in ONI were the ones who approved and funded the actual program, theyre just as bad as Halsey yet they pin all the blame on her, making her the scapegoat.

I love the ending of glasslands with that fight, I hate that progranscy chick (spelling), she knew and approved multiple spartan programs yet she makes Halsey look evil while she tries to act innocent. Cant wait till that -blam!- dies.

You do know that the one you call chick is 92 years old ?


The difference between Halsey and Parangosky are the methods they use. The ORION Project, Spartan III Project, and the Spartan IV Project used/use consenting volunteers. The Spartan II Program used kidnapped children.

Just pointing out the facts. Not saying which one is right and wrong.

This is why Parangosky believes she has the "moral high ground" when she confronts Halsey. It's not because Karen is trying to depict Halsey as a demon, its simply because Parangosky DOES have the moral high ground in the eyes of the UNSC or whoever. I'm rather sick of everyone flaming Karen. If you don't like it, take it up with the already established canon. She's just telling it like it is.


Can one of you assuming "non -blam!-s" explain to me how coercing 3-6 year old children into being suicide soldiers is morally correct?


If that is the case then somebody can say it is ok to have sex with a dog because it stretched infront of them which meant "ok".


Yea. Asking a mere baby if they want to kill the things that killed your family right after that happens is "morally correct".

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Atomic Tea

Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: cameo_cream
What i just find annoying about Glasslands is the characters dont seem to get the bigger picture. Youre at war with a conglomorate of species that want to exterminate you. The Spartans saved millions of lives at the cost of about 75. I think what Halsey did was what needed to be done to have any chance in saving humanity.

I also find it strange how they all seem to see just Halsey as a monster, when the high authority figures in ONI were the ones who approved and funded the actual program, theyre just as bad as Halsey yet they pin all the blame on her, making her the scapegoat.

I love the ending of glasslands with that fight, I hate that progranscy chick (spelling), she knew and approved multiple spartan programs yet she makes Halsey look evil while she tries to act innocent. Cant wait till that -blam!- dies.

You do know that the one you call chick is 92 years old ?


The difference between Halsey and Parangosky are the methods they use. The ORION Project, Spartan III Project, and the Spartan IV Project used/use consenting volunteers. The Spartan II Program used kidnapped children.

Just pointing out the facts. Not saying which one is right and wrong.

This is why Parangosky believes she has the "moral high ground" when she confronts Halsey. It's not because Karen is trying to depict Halsey as a demon, its simply because Parangosky DOES have the moral high ground in the eyes of the UNSC or whoever. I'm rather sick of everyone flaming Karen. If you don't like it, take it up with the already established canon. She's just telling it like it is.


Can one of you assuming "non -blam!-s" explain to me how coercing 3-6 year old children into being suicide soldiers is morally correct?


If that is the case then somebody can say it is ok to have sex with a dog because it stretched infront of them which meant "ok".


Yea. Asking a mere baby if they want to kill the things that killed your family right after that happens is "morally correct".

He didnt say anything bout 6 year old kids...

  • 11.10.2011 6:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Atomic Tea

Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: cameo_cream
What i just find annoying about Glasslands is the characters dont seem to get the bigger picture. Youre at war with a conglomorate of species that want to exterminate you. The Spartans saved millions of lives at the cost of about 75. I think what Halsey did was what needed to be done to have any chance in saving humanity.

I also find it strange how they all seem to see just Halsey as a monster, when the high authority figures in ONI were the ones who approved and funded the actual program, theyre just as bad as Halsey yet they pin all the blame on her, making her the scapegoat.

I love the ending of glasslands with that fight, I hate that progranscy chick (spelling), she knew and approved multiple spartan programs yet she makes Halsey look evil while she tries to act innocent. Cant wait till that -blam!- dies.

You do know that the one you call chick is 92 years old ?


The difference between Halsey and Parangosky are the methods they use. The ORION Project, Spartan III Project, and the Spartan IV Project used/use consenting volunteers. The Spartan II Program used kidnapped children.

Just pointing out the facts. Not saying which one is right and wrong.

This is why Parangosky believes she has the "moral high ground" when she confronts Halsey. It's not because Karen is trying to depict Halsey as a demon, its simply because Parangosky DOES have the moral high ground in the eyes of the UNSC or whoever. I'm rather sick of everyone flaming Karen. If you don't like it, take it up with the already established canon. She's just telling it like it is.


Can one of you assuming "non -blam!-s" explain to me how coercing 3-6 year old children into being suicide soldiers is morally correct?


If that is the case then somebody can say it is ok to have sex with a dog because it stretched infront of them which meant "ok".


Yea. Asking a mere baby if they want to kill the things that killed your family right after that happens is "morally correct".


Once again, you failed to read my comment and comprehend it. I never said that I thought it was morally correct. I only said that SHE believes she is morally superior to Halsey because she didn't force them against their will. Also, she clearly states that Project IV would use adults, and not children.

Stop trying to put words in my mouth, grey. I expected better from you.

Also, what the heck is with that dog comment? That is totally uncalled for, not to mention disgusting.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Atomic Tea

Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: cameo_cream
What i just find annoying about Glasslands is the characters dont seem to get the bigger picture. Youre at war with a conglomorate of species that want to exterminate you. The Spartans saved millions of lives at the cost of about 75. I think what Halsey did was what needed to be done to have any chance in saving humanity.

I also find it strange how they all seem to see just Halsey as a monster, when the high authority figures in ONI were the ones who approved and funded the actual program, theyre just as bad as Halsey yet they pin all the blame on her, making her the scapegoat.

I love the ending of glasslands with that fight, I hate that progranscy chick (spelling), she knew and approved multiple spartan programs yet she makes Halsey look evil while she tries to act innocent. Cant wait till that -blam!- dies.

You do know that the one you call chick is 92 years old ?


The difference between Halsey and Parangosky are the methods they use. The ORION Project, Spartan III Project, and the Spartan IV Project used/use consenting volunteers. The Spartan II Program used kidnapped children.

Just pointing out the facts. Not saying which one is right and wrong.

This is why Parangosky believes she has the "moral high ground" when she confronts Halsey. It's not because Karen is trying to depict Halsey as a demon, its simply because Parangosky DOES have the moral high ground in the eyes of the UNSC or whoever. I'm rather sick of everyone flaming Karen. If you don't like it, take it up with the already established canon. She's just telling it like it is.


Can one of you assuming "non -blam!-s" explain to me how coercing 3-6 year old children into being suicide soldiers is morally correct?


If that is the case then somebody can say it is ok to have sex with a dog because it stretched infront of them which meant "ok".


Yea. Asking a mere baby if they want to kill the things that killed your family right after that happens is "morally correct".


Once again, you failed to read my comment and comprehend it. I never said that I thought it was morally correct. I only said that SHE believes she is morally superior to Halsey because she didn't force them against their will. Also, she clearly states that Project IV would use adults, and not children.

Stop trying to put words in my mouth, grey. I expected better from you.

Also, what the heck is with that dog comment? That is totally uncalled for, not to mention disgusting.



I fully understood what was being said it is the fact you are supporting the narrative on the subject. Not to mention i didn't bring up spartan IV's so i could say you didn't read my comment and comprehend it. Just because the answer isn't clear cut doesn't mean it isn't an answer.


The dog comment was a perfect example regardless about how macabre it was since the deal with the SIIIs are the same thing. Which is interpreting a natural response/action into an answer to a question that isn't understood.


Again. Think about why i am saying what i am saying instead of getting so hung up on the words


Posted by: FTW 1997
He didnt say anything bout 6 year old kids...


I am fully aware of what he did and didn't say, if i need an instigator i will be sure to PM you.

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Posted by: Atomic Tea

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Atomic Tea

Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: cameo_cream
What i just find annoying about Glasslands is the characters dont seem to get the bigger picture. Youre at war with a conglomorate of species that want to exterminate you. The Spartans saved millions of lives at the cost of about 75. I think what Halsey did was what needed to be done to have any chance in saving humanity.

I also find it strange how they all seem to see just Halsey as a monster, when the high authority figures in ONI were the ones who approved and funded the actual program, theyre just as bad as Halsey yet they pin all the blame on her, making her the scapegoat.

I love the ending of glasslands with that fight, I hate that progranscy chick (spelling), she knew and approved multiple spartan programs yet she makes Halsey look evil while she tries to act innocent. Cant wait till that -blam!- dies.[/quote]
You do know that the one you call chick is 92 years old ?


The difference between Halsey and Parangosky are the methods they use. The ORION Project, Spartan III Project, and the Spartan IV Project used/use consenting volunteers. The Spartan II Program used kidnapped children.

Just pointing out the facts. Not saying which one is right and wrong.

This is why Parangosky believes she has the "moral high ground" when she confronts Halsey. It's not because Karen is trying to depict Halsey as a demon, its simply because Parangosky DOES have the moral high ground in the eyes of the UNSC or whoever. I'm rather sick of everyone flaming Karen. If you don't like it, take it up with the already established canon. She's just telling it like it is.


Can one of you assuming "non -blam!-s" explain to me how coercing 3-6 year old children into being suicide soldiers is morally correct?


If that is the case then somebody can say it is ok to have sex with a dog because it stretched infront of them which meant "ok".


Yea. Asking a mere baby if they want to kill the things that killed your family right after that happens is "morally correct".


Once again, you failed to read my comment and comprehend it. I never said that I thought it was morally correct. I only said that SHE believes she is morally superior to Halsey because she didn't force them against their will. Also, she clearly states that Project IV would use adults, and not children.

Stop trying to put words in my mouth, grey. I expected better from you.

Also, what the heck is with that dog comment? That is totally uncalled for, not to mention disgusting.



I fully understood what was being said it is the fact you are supporting the narrative on the subject. Not to mention i didn't bring up spartan IV's so i could say you didn't read my comment and comprehend it. Just because the answer isn't clear cut doesn't mean it isn't an answer.


The dog comment was a perfect example regardless about how macabre it was since the deal with the SIIIs are the same thing. Which is interpreting a natural response/action into an answer to a question that isn't understood.


Again. Think about why i am saying what i am saying instead of getting so hung up on the words


Posted by: FTW 1997
He didnt say anything bout 6 year old kids...


I am fully aware of what he did and didn't say, if i need an instigator i will be sure to PM you.


I should of included the ORION Project in there so that you would know I wasn't just talking about SIII's and IV's exclusively. I was referring to Parangosky's methods in general, and how she herself might believe she is better than Halsey in that regard.

You are correct in the fact that Ackerson manipulated the SIII's to run suicide missions. It's honestly no better than Halsey kidnapping the SII's.

However, Parangosky is rather arrogant to say the least. Her personality won't allow her to be "one up'd" by Halsey during their argument. This is why she is purposefully disregarding the fact that her "volunteers" didn't know what they were signing up for, initially.

In her eyes, she is superior in every way to Halsey. That's the only thing I was commenting on. I wasn't trying to express to you which is more morally correct. I don't know what that whole "assuming non -blam-'s" was about.

My stance on the dog comment remains.

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Atomic Tea

Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: cameo_cream
What i just find annoying about Glasslands is the characters dont seem to get the bigger picture. Youre at war with a conglomorate of species that want to exterminate you. The Spartans saved millions of lives at the cost of about 75. I think what Halsey did was what needed to be done to have any chance in saving humanity.

I also find it strange how they all seem to see just Halsey as a monster, when the high authority figures in ONI were the ones who approved and funded the actual program, theyre just as bad as Halsey yet they pin all the blame on her, making her the scapegoat.

I love the ending of glasslands with that fight, I hate that progranscy chick (spelling), she knew and approved multiple spartan programs yet she makes Halsey look evil while she tries to act innocent. Cant wait till that -blam!- dies.[/quote]
You do know that the one you call chick is 92 years old ?[/quote]

The difference between Halsey and Parangosky are the methods they use. The ORION Project, Spartan III Project, and the Spartan IV Project used/use consenting volunteers. The Spartan II Program used kidnapped children.

Just pointing out the facts. Not saying which one is right and wrong.

This is why Parangosky believes she has the "moral high ground" when she confronts Halsey. It's not because Karen is trying to depict Halsey as a demon, its simply because Parangosky DOES have the moral high ground in the eyes of the UNSC or whoever. I'm rather sick of everyone flaming Karen. If you don't like it, take it up with the already established canon. She's just telling it like it is.[/quote]

Can one of you assuming "non -blam!-s" explain to me how coercing 3-6 year old children into being suicide soldiers is morally correct?


If that is the case then somebody can say it is ok to have sex with a dog because it stretched infront of them which meant "ok".


Yea. Asking a mere baby if they want to kill the things that killed your family right after that happens is "morally correct". [/quote]

Once again, you failed to read my comment and comprehend it. I never said that I thought it was morally correct. I only said that SHE believes she is morally superior to Halsey because she didn't force them against their will. Also, she clearly states that Project IV would use adults, and not children.

Stop trying to put words in my mouth, grey. I expected better from you.

Also, what the heck is with that dog comment? That is totally uncalled for, not to mention disgusting.



I fully understood what was being said it is the fact you are supporting the narrative on the subject. Not to mention i didn't bring up spartan IV's so i could say you didn't read my comment and comprehend it. Just because the answer isn't clear cut doesn't mean it isn't an answer.


The dog comment was a perfect example regardless about how macabre it was since the deal with the SIIIs are the same thing. Which is interpreting a natural response/action into an answer to a question that isn't understood.


Again. Think about why i am saying what i am saying instead of getting so hung up on the words


Posted by: FTW 1997
He didnt say anything bout 6 year old kids...


I am fully aware of what he did and didn't say, if i need an instigator i will be sure to PM you.


I should of included the ORION Project in there so that you would know I wasn't just talking about SIII's and IV's exclusively. I was referring to Parangosky's methods in general, and how she herself might believe she is better than Halsey in that regard.

You are correct in the fact that Ackerson manipulated the SIII's to run suicide missions. It's honestly no better than Halsey kidnapping the SII's.

However, Parangosky is rather arrogant to say the least. Her personality won't allow her to be "one up'd" by Halsey during their argument. This is why she is purposefully disregarding the fact that her "volunteers" didn't know what they were signing up for, initially.

In her eyes, she is superior in every way to Halsey. That's the only thing I was commenting on. I wasn't trying to express to you which is more morally correct. I don't know what that whole "assuming non -blam-'s" was about.

My stance on the dog comment remains.


Let me know when you really take in the entire picture from Orion- post H-C war. because until you do that halsey will be "very bad".

"Assuming non -blam!-s" is a term for believing something just because it is presented for you. in which you and others are such because of what is subjectively written in the novel. you are just taking in what Karen's extremely limited view of the lore is and going with it without taking in all the context.


I couldn't care less. You should focus on the Data instead of the format.

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Posted by: floodpocalypse
but i know that if it was me or a plane full of people. id rather be killed. thats just me...

what do you guys think?


Depends, who's on that plane? Ahaha

  • 11.10.2011 6:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: Atomic Tea

Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: cameo_cream
What i just find annoying about Glasslands is the characters dont seem to get the bigger picture. Youre at war with a conglomorate of species that want to exterminate you. The Spartans saved millions of lives at the cost of about 75. I think what Halsey did was what needed to be done to have any chance in saving humanity.

I also find it strange how they all seem to see just Halsey as a monster, when the high authority figures in ONI were the ones who approved and funded the actual program, theyre just as bad as Halsey yet they pin all the blame on her, making her the scapegoat.

I love the ending of glasslands with that fight, I hate that progranscy chick (spelling), she knew and approved multiple spartan programs yet she makes Halsey look evil while she tries to act innocent. Cant wait till that -blam!- dies.[/quote]
You do know that the one you call chick is 92 years old ?[/quote]

The difference between Halsey and Parangosky are the methods they use. The ORION Project, Spartan III Project, and the Spartan IV Project used/use consenting volunteers. The Spartan II Program used kidnapped children.

Just pointing out the facts. Not saying which one is right and wrong.

This is why Parangosky believes she has the "moral high ground" when she confronts Halsey. It's not because Karen is trying to depict Halsey as a demon, its simply because Parangosky DOES have the moral high ground in the eyes of the UNSC or whoever. I'm rather sick of everyone flaming Karen. If you don't like it, take it up with the already established canon. She's just telling it like it is.[/quote]

Can one of you assuming "non -blam!-s" explain to me how coercing 3-6 year old children into being suicide soldiers is morally correct?


If that is the case then somebody can say it is ok to have sex with a dog because it stretched infront of them which meant "ok".


Yea. Asking a mere baby if they want to kill the things that killed your family right after that happens is "morally correct". [/quote]

Once again, you failed to read my comment and comprehend it. I never said that I thought it was morally correct. I only said that SHE believes she is morally superior to Halsey because she didn't force them against their will. Also, she clearly states that Project IV would use adults, and not children.

Stop trying to put words in my mouth, grey. I expected better from you.

Also, what the heck is with that dog comment? That is totally uncalled for, not to mention disgusting.[/quote]


I fully understood what was being said it is the fact you are supporting the narrative on the subject. Not to mention i didn't bring up spartan IV's so i could say you didn't read my comment and comprehend it. Just because the answer isn't clear cut doesn't mean it isn't an answer.


The dog comment was a perfect example regardless about how macabre it was since the deal with the SIIIs are the same thing. Which is interpreting a natural response/action into an answer to a question that isn't understood.


Again. Think about why i am saying what i am saying instead of getting so hung up on the words


Posted by: FTW 1997
He didnt say anything bout 6 year old kids...


I am fully aware of what he did and didn't say, if i need an instigator i will be sure to PM you.


I should of included the ORION Project in there so that you would know I wasn't just talking about SIII's and IV's exclusively. I was referring to Parangosky's methods in general, and how she herself might believe she is better than Halsey in that regard.

You are correct in the fact that Ackerson manipulated the SIII's to run suicide missions. It's honestly no better than Halsey kidnapping the SII's.

However, Parangosky is rather arrogant to say the least. Her personality won't allow her to be "one up'd" by Halsey during their argument. This is why she is purposefully disregarding the fact that her "volunteers" didn't know what they were signing up for, initially.

In her eyes, she is superior in every way to Halsey. That's the only thing I was commenting on. I wasn't trying to express to you which is more morally correct. I don't know what that whole "assuming non -blam-'s" was about.

My stance on the dog comment remains.


Let me know when you really take in the entire picture from Orion- post H-C war. because until you do that halsey will be "very bad".

"Assuming non -blam!-s" is a term for believing something just because it is presented for you. in which you and others are such because of what is subjectively written in the novel. you are just taking in what Karen's extremely limited view of the lore is and going with it without taking in all the context.


I couldn't care less. You should focus on the Data instead of the format.


All I got from that post was:

Biased


Narrow mindedness


Opinion


Apparently, since I enjoyed reading Karen's interpretation, I am narrow minded and know nothing of canon.

Oh the irony.

I guess I'll have to wait for someone else if I want to have an unbiased discussion on canon.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Funny how you talk about putting words in mouths yet you just came up with that by yourself because you are so focused on my tone rather than what i am saying.

I am just telling you to fully take in everything. Since you seem to confuse the fact that

1.Halsey "started" spartan programs

2. That Regardless of if Halsey did it or not the UNSC would have a SII program.

3. There were 150 spartans and 300 candidates

4. The spartan III program was worse

And alot of other facts.

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Posted by: grey101
Funny how you talk about putting words in mouths yet you just came up with that by yourself because you are so focused on my tone rather than what i am saying.

I am just telling you to fully take in everything. Since you seem to confuse the fact that

1.Halsey "started" spartan programs

2. That Regardless of if Halsey did it or not the UNSC would have a SII program.

3. There were 150 spartans and 300 candidates

4. The spartan III program was worse

And alot of other facts.


1. Halsey did not start the Spartan program. It was started earlier, under the name Project ORION. The Spartan II program was merely the successor.

2. What?

3. 150 original candidates for the Spartan II program, 75 pre-augmentation, 33 post-augmentation. It was originally going to be 300, but due to the outrageous cost, it was capped at 150.

4. Again, where did I ever say the Spartan III program was worse? Worse how? Morally? In terms of effectiveness? Get your words sorted out.

5. And a lot of other facts?

And maybe you should try changing your tone? Every response you've made to my posts has been hostile. Having a hostile tone all the time just reinforces my image of you being narrow minded and unwilling to discuss.

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  • 11.10.2011 7:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
Funny how you talk about putting words in mouths yet you just came up with that by yourself because you are so focused on my tone rather than what i am saying.

I am just telling you to fully take in everything. Since you seem to confuse the fact that

1.Halsey "started" spartan programs

2. That Regardless of if Halsey did it or not the UNSC would have a SII program.

3. There were 150 spartans and 300 candidates

4. The spartan III program was worse

And alot of other facts.


1. Halsey did not start the Spartan program. It was started earlier, under the name Project ORION. The Spartan II program was merely the successor.

2. What?

3. 150 original candidates for the Spartan II program, 75 pre-augmentation, 33 post-augmentation. It was originally going to be 300, but due to the outrageous cost, it was capped at 150.

4. Again, where did I ever say the Spartan III program was worse? Worse how? Morally? In terms of effectiveness? Get your words sorted out.

5. And a lot of other facts?

And maybe you should try changing your tone? Every response you've made to my posts has been hostile. Having a hostile tone all the time just reinforces my image of you being narrow minded and unwilling to discuss.


Oh no, Grey is right on this matter.

Anyway, I do not view her as monster. Just unethical person, that's all.

  • 11.10.2011 7:59 AM PDT

We’re flawed because we want so much more. We’re ruined because we get these things and wish for what we had.

I'v always seen her as a monster, but then again if it wasn't for her, humanity might have lost the war long before the events of Halo.
So I really just see her as a "necessary evil."
And yes I enjoyed Glasslands, so I guess I'm a narrow minded moroon who knows nothing of canon and I just happen to have enjoyed The fall of Reach, First strike, Ghost of Onyx, and Cryptum. :/ some people here are just to funny.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: daves got H1N1
And yes I enjoyed Glasslands, so I guess I'm a narrow minded moroon who knows nothing of canon and I just happen to have enjoyed The fall of Reach, First strike, Ghost of Onyx, and Cryptum. :/ some people here are just to funny.


I guess you are a moron since you can't even spell the word or clearly see when somebody is just making up interpretations.

  • 11.10.2011 8:23 AM PDT


Posted by: Mind Reaper 771
The Spartans she created that saved Humanity weren't meant for that purpose, they were meant to quell uprisings. It was only a coincidence that the Spartans (who actually lived) were made just a short time before the Covenant attacked.

She stole a hundred kids away from their families, did unspeakable things to them, and almost every single one of them either ended up dead or crippled. The rest were just war machines.

And she 'felt bad'?

She's a monster.


The Spartans were created to prevent a massive, bloody civil war. Get your facts straight.

She took 75, not a hundred, not 300. 75 children. Then replaced them with flashclones so the family wouldn't sit there months later going "Did my child get raped, and sold as a slave to some lawless rebel?" Out of 75 about half made it through augmentations, and the other half were scheduled and planned to get help to return to a normal, or mostly normal life.

And she felt damn awful about the entire thing.

So yes, she is not a monster.

I wish people would get their facts straight before shouting -blam!- about Halsey.

  • 11.10.2011 10:04 AM PDT

Requiescat in pace

damn, leave town for a day, come back and get 97 replies..
well, this has been a great debate! ive read nearly every reply and point. and from what i can see the general idea is this:

if it was just to keep the goverment alive. then most would have hated her. but because of the covenenat/flood/halo effect she (quite literally) had a saving grace.

she is an extremely unnatural woman, by most means. but any other personality type would not have the brains, guts, or cash to fund the project. so i guess its just a presonal moral issue thing

  • 11.10.2011 10:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
A puppet of the true evil, the UNSC. The UNSC created the issue of the Insurrection and could have solved it using diplomacy but they chose to green light the Spartan Program in light of the Carver findings. If Halsey had said no, then ONI would simply have found someone else and the program would still have been attempted. Halsey was concerned about the Carver findings and so agreed - Carver findings based upon the consequences of ONI and UNSC actions. She is a scapegoat and holds as much blame as anyone else who took part in the program - From Parangosky funding it to Mendez training the recruits.


The way I remember it, the UNSC were actually trying to find a peaceful solution and some sort of compromise with the dissenters before the dissent turned sour and to open rebellion and terrorism. The whole situation is not entirely one sides fault, though if any is to bear most of the blame it should be the Insurrectionists. And I don't remember anything at all indicating that the UNSC is really fits the bill of an evil government. Sure it's not perfect, but I have yet to see anything that really screams "this is a bad government, get rid of it" to me :/


With all current info the UEG did not try any form of diplomacy. And the UEG is a fault for R@ping the outer colonies and leaving them to fend for themselves; that is the issue at hand.

All the UEG needs to do is fund a massive mining effort in the Oort cloud so any other resources are a surplus. instead of plundering the outer colonies and leaving them poor.
the insurrection had valid points for rebellion, but when they started nuking population centers, they lost all credibility. People like that don't deserve freedom. I realize how people like to color the rebels as the good guys but I have to say that the UNSC has a moral high ground here. They may have neglected the outer colonies to some extent (although it really hasn't been revealed how) at least they don't slaughter civilians to make a point.


I never supported the actions the innies took and the UNSC robbed the outer planets for resources to send them back to the inner planets. Making the newly colonized planets poor and the older ones more stable.


Posted by: Darthbill99
she did some horrible things, If it happened in real life, and we didn't have access to her thoughts I would see her as a monster too.


I hate people that use plural when they are clearly talking about themselves. My mother did that every time my sister did something stupid.


While you see it that way a good amount of people on Earth that use the brain capacity's they have, would understand that (for the 8th time) She wasn't the first to do this, she wasn't stopped,this helped the war,etc.


The only reason Halsey is bad is because you are narrow sighted and refuse to take in the whole scenario. I constantly bring Ackerson up yet for some reason people like you just ignore it.
I don't hate Halsey, I just said that if I had the amount of information characters like Vas and Mal had I would hate her, unlike them I know her thoughts and I see that she was acting out of necessity, and truly feels bad about it. And what do you mean she wasn't the first to do it? ORION took adult volunteers.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

She wasn't the first person to do something her government asked her and supported doing at the time then betrayed.

  • 11.10.2011 12:39 PM PDT

No, but she can kindof be a c***!

  • 11.10.2011 12:59 PM PDT