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Posted by: Atomic Tea
Posted by: FTW 1997
Posted by: cameo_cream
What i just find annoying about Glasslands is the characters dont seem to get the bigger picture. Youre at war with a conglomorate of species that want to exterminate you. The Spartans saved millions of lives at the cost of about 75. I think what Halsey did was what needed to be done to have any chance in saving humanity.
I also find it strange how they all seem to see just Halsey as a monster, when the high authority figures in ONI were the ones who approved and funded the actual program, theyre just as bad as Halsey yet they pin all the blame on her, making her the scapegoat.
I love the ending of glasslands with that fight, I hate that progranscy chick (spelling), she knew and approved multiple spartan programs yet she makes Halsey look evil while she tries to act innocent. Cant wait till that -blam!- dies.[/quote]
You do know that the one you call chick is 92 years old ?[/quote]
The difference between Halsey and Parangosky are the methods they use. The ORION Project, Spartan III Project, and the Spartan IV Project used/use consenting volunteers. The Spartan II Program used kidnapped children.
Just pointing out the facts. Not saying which one is right and wrong.
This is why Parangosky believes she has the "moral high ground" when she confronts Halsey. It's not because Karen is trying to depict Halsey as a demon, its simply because Parangosky DOES have the moral high ground in the eyes of the UNSC or whoever. I'm rather sick of everyone flaming Karen. If you don't like it, take it up with the already established canon. She's just telling it like it is.[/quote]
Can one of you assuming "non -blam!-s" explain to me how coercing 3-6 year old children into being suicide soldiers is morally correct?
If that is the case then somebody can say it is ok to have sex with a dog because it stretched infront of them which meant "ok".
Yea. Asking a mere baby if they want to kill the things that killed your family right after that happens is "morally correct". [/quote]
Once again, you failed to read my comment and comprehend it. I never said that I thought it was morally correct. I only said that SHE believes she is morally superior to Halsey because she didn't force them against their will. Also, she clearly states that Project IV would use adults, and not children.
Stop trying to put words in my mouth, grey. I expected better from you.
Also, what the heck is with that dog comment? That is totally uncalled for, not to mention disgusting.[/quote]
I fully understood what was being said it is the fact you are supporting the narrative on the subject. Not to mention i didn't bring up spartan IV's so i could say you didn't read my comment and comprehend it. Just because the answer isn't clear cut doesn't mean it isn't an answer.
The dog comment was a perfect example regardless about how macabre it was since the deal with the SIIIs are the same thing. Which is interpreting a natural response/action into an answer to a question that isn't understood.
Again. Think about why i am saying what i am saying instead of getting so hung up on the words
Posted by: FTW 1997
He didnt say anything bout 6 year old kids...
I am fully aware of what he did and didn't say, if i need an instigator i will be sure to PM you.
I should of included the ORION Project in there so that you would know I wasn't just talking about SIII's and IV's exclusively. I was referring to Parangosky's methods in general, and how she herself might believe she is better than Halsey in that regard.
You are correct in the fact that Ackerson manipulated the SIII's to run suicide missions. It's honestly no better than Halsey kidnapping the SII's.
However, Parangosky is rather arrogant to say the least. Her personality won't allow her to be "one up'd" by Halsey during their argument. This is why she is purposefully disregarding the fact that her "volunteers" didn't know what they were signing up for, initially.
In her eyes, she is superior in every way to Halsey. That's the only thing I was commenting on. I wasn't trying to express to you which is more morally correct. I don't know what that whole "assuming non -blam-'s" was about.
My stance on the dog comment remains.
Let me know when you really take in the entire picture from Orion- post H-C war. because until you do that halsey will be "very bad".
"Assuming non -blam!-s" is a term for believing something just because it is presented for you. in which you and others are such because of what is subjectively written in the novel. you are just taking in what Karen's extremely limited view of the lore is and going with it without taking in all the context.
I couldn't care less. You should focus on the Data instead of the format.
All I got from that post was:
Biased
Narrow mindedness
Opinion
Apparently, since I enjoyed reading Karen's interpretation, I am narrow minded and know nothing of canon.
Oh the irony.
I guess I'll have to wait for someone else if I want to have an unbiased discussion on canon.
[Edited on 11.10.2011 6:58 AM PST]