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Subject: The UNSC Won Because Of Their Optimism.

Posted by:ScubaToaster
Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Title for Reference.

It's incredible that, even while being with their backs against the wall, outnumbered by a much superior foe and outmatched technologically and knowing that everything is against them, the faithful UNSC marines still keep their cool in the middle of a firefight and even in the middle of major battles.

It's confidence like this that can determine battles. The jokes that'll cool down the squad in a tense moment, always trying to keep the squads spirit up no matter how bad the situation gets, and remarking or making witty comments on the death and how bad their enemies suck to lift the morale. Even the deep relationship resulted from these marines, these brothers in arms in times of extraordinary crisis, resulted from going through moments that would crack any other. But no, they were there for each other, caring when a teammate, a brother, got shot or went down. Asking for support, or yelling at their brothers to run at the imminent detonation of a grenade.

These men and woman are the UNSC's highest valued resources. An infinite source of jokes and witty comments, along with those yells of care for others.

Yeah, so I made all this up from simply hearing ''Marines, lets get mounted!... I didnt mean it in a rough way, though'' while playing Halo 3 on The Covenant with IWHBYD on Legendary. I still find it austounding that after 4 years, I still hear new comments from the marines. It's ridiculous. I actually only play the campaign just to hear what the marines and Grunts will say. I love it. That's something where the UNSC Army failed in Reach, they werent funny and therefore they lost and all got killed.

So yeah... Dont you love it, too? When was the last time you heard something funny from the AI? What's the funniest line you've heard?

Discuss.

  • 11.08.2011 1:07 PM PDT

Well, they also won because the covenant didn't look at them as real threat at start.

  • 11.08.2011 1:09 PM PDT

I can't agree with you. The ingame Marine dialog is not meant to be taken seriously, I think, and at the very least, is not really an accurate picture of how the UNSC felt about the Human-Covenant War. Too many times to count have the characters (of the books especially) professed their grim predictions of the war. The courage to fight on in spite of their worries, not because of how lighthearted they were is very important, though. The UNSC won because of heroism, because of certain programs and policies, and because of the Covenant's hubris (including the Schism).

  • 11.08.2011 1:12 PM PDT


Posted by: CavemanBCE
I can't agree with you. The ingame Marine dialog is not meant to be taken seriously, I think, and at the very least, is not really an accurate picture of how the UNSC felt about the Human-Covenant War. Too many times to count have the characters (of the books especially) professed their grim predictions of the war. The courage to fight on in spite of their worries, not because of how lighthearted they were is very important, though. The UNSC won because of heroism, because of certain programs and policies, and because of the Covenant's hubris (including the Schism).

How about halo 3 ODST?
''Wake up butter cup''

  • 11.08.2011 1:18 PM PDT


Posted by: AnubissWarior

Posted by: CavemanBCE
I can't agree with you. The ingame Marine dialog is not meant to be taken seriously, I think, and at the very least, is not really an accurate picture of how the UNSC felt about the Human-Covenant War. Too many times to count have the characters (of the books especially) professed their grim predictions of the war. The courage to fight on in spite of their worries, not because of how lighthearted they were is very important, though. The UNSC won because of heroism, because of certain programs and policies, and because of the Covenant's hubris (including the Schism).

How about halo 3 ODST?
''Wake up butter cup''


I didn't say that the participants in the war were humorless, but I think that widespread optimism was not the case. Romeo is chastised and known for being a sarcastic ass, when many Marines are more blatantly comedic and immature than he is with out any mention. Romeo is Romeo, but the Marines' dialog in game is not an indication of widespread optimism among the ranks.

  • 11.08.2011 1:22 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: AnubissWarior
Well, they also won because the covenant didn't look at them as real threat at start.

This does not make sense. Every moment that a Human lives draws the Covenant ever closer to ruin in the fact that their religion is based on a lie. What sense does it make for the Heirarchs to get laid back with such an ideological threat being around?

  • 11.08.2011 1:49 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: AnubissWarior
Well, they also won because the covenant didn't look at them as real threat at start.

This does not make sense. Every moment that a Human lives draws the Covenant ever closer to ruin in the fact that their religion is based on a lie. What sense does it make for the Heirarchs to get laid back with such an ideological threat being around?

You clearly don't know all about halo lore.
Covenant expected humanity to lose in days, they thought that humans were fragile and weak.
And Prophet of Truth said-
No wonder you forefathers left you behind, you are weak but gods must be strong.
(correct me if i got this line wrong, it has been a year from last time when i did hear that line.

  • 11.08.2011 2:30 PM PDT

anton isn't saying that the Covenant viewed humanity as a major military threat, but the hierarchs absolutely did view them as a major threat to their fanatical theocracy, the whole reason why the Covenant are hostile to them is because of this reason, as anton knows.

I'd also like to know where the Covenant "expected humanity to lose in days".

  • 11.08.2011 2:40 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: AnubissWarior
Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: AnubissWarior
Well, they also won because the covenant didn't look at them as real threat at start.

This does not make sense. Every moment that a Human lives draws the Covenant ever closer to ruin in the fact that their religion is based on a lie. What sense does it make for the Heirarchs to get laid back with such an ideological threat being around?

You clearly don't know all about halo lore.
Covenant expected humanity to lose in days, they thought that humans were fragile and weak.
And Prophet of Truth said-
No wonder you forefathers left you behind, you are weak but gods must be strong.
(correct me if i got this line wrong, it has been a year from last time when i did hear that line.

They initially thought that they would not be a problem because they thought Harvest was the only Human world, and they destroyed that with relative ease. Most of the population escaped but they had confidence that the Sangheili Fleets would track them down and exterminate them.

That was not the case. They found another colony, and then another, and then another... Then they came up against Cole, and then Spartans and found out that the Covenant can lose battles to Humanity. By 2530, during Halo Wars, Regret admits that in order to finish the war quickly and decisively they would require more than what the Covenant could currently muster if they wanted to be left with anything to defend themselves with afterwards. Thus the desperate attempt to acquire the Forerunner Fleet. They did view Humanity as a threat from the start and put as much as the Covenant could afford into wiping them out - if not initially at harvest then certainly after finding several colonies and getting their asses handed to them by Cole over Harvest. The vast majority of the war would have seen the Covenant entirely committed to dealing with Humanity, rather than them just sitting with their feet up taking pot-shots at Humanity.

  • 11.08.2011 2:54 PM PDT

To me, Humanity didn't win, they survived.

  • 11.08.2011 3:35 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
To me, Humanity didn't win, they survived.


No, they won. Barely, and with the help of the Separatists, but they won. That comment would be accurate, in my opinion, if the Covenant had won and our species escaped extinction.

  • 11.08.2011 3:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: CavemanBCE

Posted by: mojeda101
To me, Humanity didn't win, they survived.


No, they won. Barely, and with the help of the Separatists, but they won. That comment would be accurate, in my opinion, if the Covenant had won and our species escaped extinction.

imagine if most of the elites didnt leave the covenant

  • 11.08.2011 5:56 PM PDT

I am a Halo Pro. I am in a group called the Ninja Academy. It is a very good group and if you are reading this, you should join.

I think humanity won because of their ability to adapt to any situation. We have the gift of intelegence for a reason. Everything the covonent did we came back and matched them.

  • 11.08.2011 6:47 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
To me, Humanity didn't win, they survived.


Pretty much. If you call having 99% of all your colonies, population, economy, shipyards, and resources obliterated a "victory"...well, just how would you define a defeat?



  • 11.08.2011 6:56 PM PDT


Posted by: WAGONCHEESE
I think humanity won because of their ability to adapt to any situation. We have the gift of intelegence for a reason. Everything the covonent did we came back and matched them.


Nope. We survived through blind dumb luck. Imagine what would have happened if Truth had held off on his plans to cast down the Elites and replace them with Brutes. That single decision fractured the Covenant. If that had not happened, the galaxy would have been a much different place (read: Halos activated, all life wiped out).

  • 11.08.2011 6:57 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Drowsy Demon
Posted by: mojeda101
To me, Humanity didn't win, they survived.


Pretty much. If you call having 99% of all your colonies, population, economy, shipyards, and resources obliterated a "victory"...well, just how would you define a defeat?

100%

  • 11.08.2011 7:06 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Drowsy Demon
Posted by: mojeda101
To me, Humanity didn't win, they survived.


Pretty much. If you call having 99% of all your colonies, population, economy, shipyards, and resources obliterated a "victory"...well, just how would you define a defeat?

100%


That's not called a defeat. That's called an extinction.

  • 11.08.2011 7:15 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Drowsy Demon
Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Drowsy Demon
Posted by: mojeda101
To me, Humanity didn't win, they survived.


Pretty much. If you call having 99% of all your colonies, population, economy, shipyards, and resources obliterated a "victory"...well, just how would you define a defeat?

100%

That's not called a defeat. That's called an extinction.

It is the same thing for the UNSC.

Victory for the Covenant is the extinction of Humanity. They were denied that goal and so suffered defeat. Given that the goal of the Covenant was Human extinction, and Humanity's goal was to stop this, and given that the Covenant failed, Humanity won. For the UNSC, winning is the same as surviving because surviving runs contrary to the Covenant's goal.

Really, I think winning a war of genocide merely just involves you surviving to rub your continued existence in your enemies face. You do not need to destroy them, just prevent them from reaching their goal of killing you.

  • 11.08.2011 7:24 PM PDT

Do you know what kind of hat I'm wearing?

A party hat; you don't get one. An honor will this party be, a party in your honor, for your honor. Some of Tfear's personal guards are going to be there. You'll be introduced shortly.

Prepare to die.

I'd say that the UNSC had a Pyrrhic victory.

I also liked the humor in the halo series, especially halo 1.

  • 11.09.2011 12:58 AM PDT
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No the UNSC won because elites helped them and because of the flood slaying most of the covenant ( the humans hadnt have a big contact with flood like high charity).

  • 11.09.2011 1:33 AM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553

The UNSC would have been extermination if the Covenant didn't split up. Its that simple. Those frigates you saw in the cutscene after the storm were basically their last ships.

Humans would have been exterminated without a Covenant civil war.

  • 11.09.2011 1:57 AM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

The UNSC won because of the Great Schism.

  • 11.09.2011 8:50 AM PDT

I am alpha, i am omega.

I am the last of the primes.


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: AnubissWarior
Well, they also won because the covenant didn't look at them as real threat at start.

This does not make sense. Every moment that a Human lives draws the Covenant ever closer to ruin in the fact that their religion is based on a lie. What sense does it make for the Heirarchs to get laid back with such an ideological threat being around?

To be fair, he is right in some way, the covies main goal was to find more forerunner -blam!-, humans were just an annoyence.

If you gave the covenant the choice of finding 1 halo or finding the human home world, they would have taken finding halo.

  • 11.09.2011 1:00 PM PDT