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Subject: Do you think the moderation is harsh?
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These guys are -blam!- saints compared to other forums. Sure sometimes you can get banned for something you wouldn't get banned by if another mod had seen what you had posted. It's sort of like the justice system, the judge you get can influence what happens to you. It's pretty fair here to be honest.

I think there could be more mods here, though.

  • 11.10.2011 5:47 AM PDT

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  • 11.10.2011 6:04 AM PDT

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Nope, and I believe forums like the Flood would benefit from more moderation.

  • 11.10.2011 6:14 AM PDT

I spend too much time here.. too much time indeed.

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The mods here are like puppy dogs and kittens compared to some of the other forums I visit.

Though the moderators are bias. Especially cam, he'll turn a blind eye with small monthly deposits to his bank account.

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  • 11.10.2011 6:34 AM PDT
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  • 11.10.2011 7:06 AM PDT

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Posted by: Yoozel
I don't think must people here have used enough forums or other mediums of web services to understand generally how lucky they actually are. Appeals process? That's practically revolutionary when it comes to forums and most places are one infraction you're out of the door.


I've visited several fora. The moderating here is by far the worst. Note that warnings and a significant proportion of bans cannot be appealed, and even when able members are discouraged from doing so.

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  • 11.10.2011 7:29 AM PDT

Does anyone even read these?

If I was banned for saying that I illegally download movies and music, then it may be too harsh. It's a bit of a grey area. I don't think it should be a bannable offense unless linked.

One thing I don't agree with is users receiving warnings/bans for posting good threads and not trying to break any rules.

[Edited on 11.10.2011 7:45 AM PST]

  • 11.10.2011 7:42 AM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: BadBall3r47
If I was banned for saying that I illegally download movies and music, then it may be too harsh. It's a bit of a grey area. I don't think it should be a bannable offense unless linked.

And this is where we get into discretion.

I know that the topic you mentioned is (for me) a hot button. If I see anyone encouraging, confessing, bragging, admitting or assisting with software piracy on this site, I consider it to be an idiotic, rude, and suicidal move. Especially considering that this site is provided to this community by people who make their living (and pay for this site) by creatively arranging 1's and 0's into something that they think the public will pay for in order to be entertained.

Anyone who thinks that using this site and this community to then turn around and say "oh yeah, I steal that sort of stuff all of the time" has (in my opinion) lost their mind and should not be allowed to be here. It is not (to me) any sort of a grey area and I refuse to treat it as one until and unless I am directed by my superiors to do so.

So, do yourself a favor, don't EVER let me see you making a post such as you described. Because I will permaban you immediately.

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Posted by: Heliossoileh1
Posted by: Yoozel
I don't think must people here have used enough forums or other mediums of web services to understand generally how lucky they actually are. Appeals process? That's practically revolutionary when it comes to forums and most places are one infraction you're out of the door.
I've visited several fora. The moderating here is by far the worst. Note that warnings and a significant proportion of bans cannot be appealed, and even when able members are discouraged from doing so.
Just because you can appeal a ban doesn't mean you should or that it will happen. The appeal process isn't there for members who knew they did something wrong and are just trying to test their luck, which seems to be how most users go about the appeal process. If you blatantly break a rule, then you should pay the price and view it as a learning experience.

Warnings and bans should be promoting the user to learn what is and isn't acceptable behavior. I've always viewed the appeal process as being there for when a ban doesn't have that affect, such as when another opinion is really needed for rule clarification or when an accidental ban is given. I've been to so many other communities where the user isn't given that opportunity, and it sucks. We've got it a lot easier than most.

  • 11.10.2011 8:09 AM PDT

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I do know for certain that there was a few moderator who banned by accident, but not on purpose.

As for saying Harsh, I do know there are a few moderator that act irresponsibility. *Coughcoughdmfan09skiburneduscoughcough*

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
And this is where we get into discretion.

I know that the topic you mentioned is (for me) a hot button. If I see anyone encouraging, confessing, bragging, admitting or assisting with software piracy on this site, I consider it to be an idiotic, rude, and suicidal move. Especially considering that this site is provided to this community by people who make their living (and pay for this site) by creatively arranging 1's and 0's into something that they think the public will pay for in order to be entertained.

Anyone who thinks that using this site and this community to then turn around and say "oh yeah, I steal that sort of stuff all of the time" has (in my opinion) lost their mind and should not be allowed to be here. It is not (to me) any sort of a grey area and I refuse to treat it as one until and unless I am directed by my superiors to do so.

So, do yourself a favor, don't EVER let me see you making a post such as you described. Because I will permaban you immediately.

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Yep, same here.

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  • 11.10.2011 9:41 AM PDT

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  • 11.10.2011 9:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: Heliossoileh1
I've visited several fora. The moderating here is by far the worst. Note that warnings and a significant proportion of bans cannot be appealed, and even when able members are discouraged from doing so.


Just because you can appeal a ban doesn't mean you should or that it will happen. The appeal process isn't there for members who knew they did something wrong and are just trying to test their luck, which seems to be how most users go about the appeal process. If you blatantly break a rule, then you should pay the price and view it as a learning experience.


Sure. I was simply pointing out that citing the appeals system as evidence that the moderating here is good is misleading, since that appeals system is inadequate.

Posted by: JBSpudster
Warnings and bans should be promoting the user to learn what is and isn't acceptable behavior.


Pity they don't. I still wonder what my three day ban, the specified reason for which was "Play nice", has to teach anyone.

Posted by: JBSpudster
I've always viewed the appeal process as being there for when a ban doesn't have that affect, such as when another opinion is really needed for rule clarification or when an accidental ban is given. I've been to so many other communities where the user isn't given that opportunity, and it sucks. We've got it a lot easier than most.


That's very idealistic, and hardly the reality. Again, moderators are given too much discretion when it comes to enforcing the rules, so that "rule clarification" only amounts to "clarification of the rules as that particular moderator interprets them". Add to this that penalties are inconsistent-note Recon Number 54's claim that he would permanently ban a member for simply confessing to having pirated software in the past, whereas many moderators likely wouldn't even consider this worthy of a warning, and what's left is a system that's utterly broken.

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  • 11.10.2011 10:22 AM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: Heliossoileh1
Add to this that penalties are inconsistent-note Recon Number 54's claim that he would permanently ban a member for simply confessing to having pirated software in the past, whereas many moderators likely wouldn't even consider this worthy of a warning, and what's left is a system that's utterly broken.

As I said, that is my view on things. Just as you are expressing your view. Neither of which represent a comprehensive "truth", just our perspectives as we express them.

However, I also mentioned (in my explanation of my thoughts) that I am consistent in that practice unless and until I am counseled and corrected by our hosts. Which is whose interpretation and opinion I am most influenced by. Sorry, while I do take your views into account, you're not even in the top 10 of those who will influence me. I hope (and imagine) that you can understand why.

  • 11.10.2011 10:29 AM PDT


Posted by: Heliossoileh1

Posted by: JBSpudster
Posted by: Heliossoileh1
I've visited several fora. The moderating here is by far the worst. Note that warnings and a significant proportion of bans cannot be appealed, and even when able members are discouraged from doing so.


Just because you can appeal a ban doesn't mean you should or that it will happen. The appeal process isn't there for members who knew they did something wrong and are just trying to test their luck, which seems to be how most users go about the appeal process. If you blatantly break a rule, then you should pay the price and view it as a learning experience.


Sure. I was simply pointing out that citing the appeals system as evidence that the moderating here is good is misleading, since that appeals system is inadequate.


The ban appeal system if perfectly fine as it stands. Most mods are very polite tell you exactly what you posted, what was wrong with what you posted, and how you can improve your behavior. For example, I was banned 3 weeks ago or so, for a spam/ mass thread derailment. I asked the moderator where this came from because I couldn't find it in my post history, he quoted it and stated that the thread was necro-bumped, which was unfortunate for me and offered to reduce or remove the ban. I decline as it was only 3 days and that I totally deserved it.


Seems like it works just fine, you break the rules, you get a ban and the chances of you getting unbanned completely is slim to none.

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Posted by: Heliossoileh1

Pity they don't. I still wonder what my three day ban, the specified reason for which was "Play nice", has to teach anyone.
I interpret that to mean a response of "grow up" towards a well written, relevant post that you happpen to disagree with is a violation of the play nice rule.

That's very idealistic, and hardly the reality. Again, moderators are given too much discretion when it comes to enforcing the rules, so that "rule clarification" only amounts to "clarification of the rules as that particular moderator interprets them". Add to this that penalties are inconsistent-note Recon Number 54's claim that he would permanently ban a member for simply confessing to having pirated software in the past, whereas many moderators likely wouldn't even consider this worthy of a warning, and what's left is a system that's utterly broken.Well, you're never going to get absolute consistency. So if that's your goal, let it go. As for this particular example, we discussed it as a group, ae often do with polarizing subjects. We don't do things off the cuff. For my part, Recon has convinced to see his side of things.

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Nope, seems to work. why change it?

I see the people who deserve it get banned and the iffy stuff that doesn't quite deserve a ban get locked. They don't get the hint and repost/complain they may get banned. It's fair, it gives you warning and we don't get a tone of trolling.

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  • 11.10.2011 11:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54Your motives seem to be mostly fuelled by anger. Anger that these members are disrespecting the site's owner (Bungie) by admitting to illegally pirating.

I think a permanent ban with no warning is definitely too harsh. Unless they are teaching other's how to download Bungie content or posting direct links or something like that.

I mean, where do you draw the line. What if somebody said they downloaded a single song? Or they pirated something years ago but never did it again?

Sure, it's illegal, but do you permanently ban people for admitting to other illegal acts with no warning? What if somebody shoplifted? That's the same as pirating. It's worse even. Do you permanently ban those people too?

It gets even crazier when you stop and realize there is probably at least a handful of forum ninjas that actively pirate illegal content themselves.

So yeah, I definitely don't get that one.

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That's the same as pirating. It's worse even.
No it isn't. It is exactly the same: theft.

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Posted by: Recon Number 54Your motives seem to be mostly fuelled by anger. Anger that these members are disrespecting the site's owner (Bungie) by admitting to illegally pirating.

I think a permanent ban with no warning is definitely too harsh. Unless they are teaching other's how to download Bungie content or posting direct links or something like that.

I mean, where do you draw the line. What if somebody said they downloaded a single song? Or they pirated something years ago but never did it again?

Sure, it's illegal, but do you permanently ban people for admitting to other illegal acts with no warning? What if somebody shoplifted? That's the same as pirating. It's worse even. Do you permanently ban those people too?

It gets even crazier when you stop and realize there is probably at least a handful of forum ninjas that actively pirate illegal content themselves.

So yeah, I definitely don't get that one.
It's impossible to completely divorce yourself from all emotions. However, I don't see this as a rash, angry reaction. It's an application of context. In this case, he is arguing that it is utterly unacceptable to use this forum, proivided by people who make a living selling software, to discuss stealing software. Where is the anger?

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