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Has anyone thought of why the Gravemind can absorb machines into its own intellect. And how it can talk to them telephatically as it did with medicant bias.

Its interesting as the gravemind is considered a precursor tech so it must have some ability to communicate with machines, and absorb its memory.

Which also brings me to the point as how it can hurt Cortana? It did not connect itself to the high charity but telephatically hurt her?

Is there something the precursors discovered before they left that combined both the living and the non-living world together?

  • 11.09.2011 1:11 PM PDT

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Not to go off topic here but Gravemind isnt a character a Gravemind is a large mass of flood that obsorbs so much knowledge of computers and people that are dead the it forms a gravemind

  • 11.09.2011 1:43 PM PDT

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i know but its just habit that i look at it as a single entity as it speaks for the flood and the flood acts as one.

  • 11.09.2011 1:55 PM PDT


Posted by: RougeSniper1117
Not to go off topic here but Gravemind isnt a character a Gravemind is a large mass of flood that obsorbs so much knowledge of computers and people that are dead the it forms a gravemind


Then Cortana isn't a character--just a plethora of electronic networks and informational pathways creating a simulation of the human brain.

Gravemind is a character, just not a human one.


Posted by: risay_117

Is there something the precursors discovered before they left that combined both the living and the non-living world together?


This is why I think the Primordial is a cybornetic organism. Part Precursor, the epitome of all things good and of life, and part machine, the antithesis to life, cold calculating and uncaring.

Cortana could be the bridge between the two.

[Edited on 11.09.2011 1:59 PM PST]

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Posted by: risay_117
Is there something the precursors discovered before they left that combined both the living and the non-living world together?


I think the Precursors had their first contact with Floods time before the contact of the Forerunners. Precursors had understood the nature of the Flood and after this awareness, the Precursors have transcended. It's my personal theory for the Precursors species.

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Posted by: risay_117
Is there something the precursors discovered before they left that combined both the living and the non-living world together?


I think the Precursors had their first contact with Floods time before the contact of the Forerunners. Precursors had understood the nature of the Flood and after this awareness, the Precursors have transcended. It's my personal theory for the Precursors species.


Only issue is that the flood wouldn't have been an issue for a race like the precursors.

Ancient humans beat the flood and the forerunners would have if it weren't for religious and political issues.

The flood would have been nothing to the precursors.

  • 11.09.2011 4:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Spartan319

Posted by: risay_117
Is there something the precursors discovered before they left that combined both the living and the non-living world together?


I think the Precursors had their first contact with Floods time before the contact of the Forerunners. Precursors had understood the nature of the Flood and after this awareness, the Precursors have transcended. It's my personal theory for the Precursors species.


Only issue is that the flood wouldn't have been an issue for a race like the precursors.

Ancient humans beat the flood and the forerunners would have if it weren't for religious and political issues.

The flood would have been nothing to the precursors.


Its an information present into Halo Enciclopedia or some also like it?

  • 11.09.2011 4:46 PM PDT

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The humans didn't "beat" the flood. It was more like a pyrhiic victory. Well more like survived a wave of the flood by sacrificing a big part of it's remaining population. It wasn't a simple, we won okay. It was devastating.

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Posted by: risay_117
Is there something the precursors discovered before they left that combined both the living and the non-living world together?


I think the Precursors had their first contact with Floods time before the contact of the Forerunners. Precursors had understood the nature of the Flood and after this awareness, the Precursors have transcended. It's my personal theory for the Precursors species.


Only issue is that the flood wouldn't have been an issue for a race like the precursors.

Ancient humans beat the flood and the forerunners would have if it weren't for religious and political issues.

The flood would have been nothing to the precursors.


Its an information present into Halo Enciclopedia or some also like it?


It is information that should be "common" sense.



Posted by: Spartan 100
The humans didn't "beat" the flood. It was more like a pyrhiic victory. Well more like survived a wave of the flood by sacrificing a big part of it's remaining population. It wasn't a simple, we won okay. It was devastating.



You obviously do not understand what that word means.

The humans found a cure and a third of the population offered to be vectors. meaning that once the flood left had the forerunners not been childish and arrogant humanity would have been more than fine. They would have been in a much better state than current post war humanity.


Didact using the array assuming killing billions of his kind and forcing the remaining is a Pyrrhic victory.

And so we all understand what that is; is a victory with such a devastating cost to the victor that it carries the implication that another such victory will ultimately cause defeat.


The humans using a Third of however much there population was isn't a Pyrrhic victory seeing how the forerunners killing them messes up what the pop would be if it were just the flood.

Didact killing off a large swath of his race with the halo array is Pyrrhic.


* And how are you going to say "They didn't beat them" (which they did) yet say it was a Pyrrhic victory?

[Edited on 11.09.2011 5:11 PM PST]

  • 11.09.2011 5:09 PM PDT

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ok, but where did you find this information?

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Posted by: Spartan319
ok, but where did you find this information?


Common sense? born with it. My assuming arrogance? gained from reading all the novels and fiction; in this case the answer would be Halo:Cryptum.

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Posted by: risay_117
Has anyone thought of why the Gravemind can absorb machines into its own intellect. And how it can talk to them telephatically as it did with medicant bias.

I don't think that the gravemind can absorb machines, the proto gravemind tried to access the neural implants of Keyes, and failed. I rather think that it absorbs the operators of the machines and their knowledge.

I assume that it uses the domain to communicate to other flood forms and MC.

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Posted by: risay_117
Has anyone thought of why the Gravemind can absorb machines into its own intellect. And how it can talk to them telephatically as it did with medicant bias.

I don't think that the gravemind can absorb machines, the proto gravemind tried to access the neural implants of Keyes, and failed. I rather think that it absorbs the operators of the machines and their knowledge.

I assume that it uses the domain to communicate to other flood forms and MC.


The reason for forerunner AI's not knowing everything was to stop the flood from knowing if they got infected (halo 3).

In halo evolutions the Gravemind himself states he has absorbed thousands of AIs (Halo: Evolutions).

  • 11.09.2011 5:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan319
ok, but where did you find this information?


Common sense? born with it. My assuming arrogance? gained from reading all the novels and fiction; in this case the answer would be Halo:Cryptum.


More big is the arrogance, than biggest will the fall.
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  • 11.09.2011 5:24 PM PDT

Do you know what kind of hat I'm wearing?

A party hat; you don't get one. An honor will this party be, a party in your honor, for your honor. Some of Tfear's personal guards are going to be there. You'll be introduced shortly.

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Posted by: grey101
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Posted by: risay_117
Has anyone thought of why the Gravemind can absorb machines into its own intellect. And how it can talk to them telephatically as it did with medicant bias.

I don't think that the gravemind can absorb machines, the proto gravemind tried to access the neural implants of Keyes, and failed. I rather think that it absorbs the operators of the machines and their knowledge.

I assume that it uses the domain to communicate to other flood forms and MC.


The reason for forerunner AI's not knowing everything was to stop the flood from knowing if they got infected (halo 3).

In halo evolutions the Gravemind himself states he has absorbed thousands of AIs (Halo: Evolutions).

I don't really see any corruption in 2401 penitent tangent or any influence when the gravemind had at least 99711.3 years to assimilate him.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Spartan319
ok, but where did you find this information?


Common sense? born with it. My assuming arrogance? gained from reading all the novels and fiction; in this case the answer would be Halo:Cryptum.



More big is the arrogance, than biggest will the fall.
Dammit english! Arrrrghhhh!

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[Edited on 11.10.2011 4:23 AM PST]

  • 11.10.2011 4:23 AM PDT

Well, I think that's due to Gravemind basically being an actually living AI. Lets face it: Cortana is the smartest AI the UNSC have ever made, even smarter than anything the Covenant has ever made, so we can regard her as the pinnacle of "modern" AI within the Halo Universe.
Still: Forerunner AI are one step beyond that. Where Cortana can seem to be a living creature, the Forerunner made AI that simulate being alive even more. 343 GS, 2401 Penitent Tangent, Medicant Bias and the other Monitors for instance. They are still machines, but can think for themselves, move as they like without restrictions, learn etc, and their appearance is "real".
Cortana has most of those qualities, but her appearance is just a hologram, therefore bound to holopads to be visible and "move around" and her appearance is just a representation, a puppet. The Cortana we see can't actually see "us". She needs external cameras to do that for instance.

And Gravemind goes even one step further than what the Forerunners made: he is a biological AI. Instead of existing in bits and bytes and having files as a memory, he exists as a biological mass, capable of moving around, capable of self awareness, capable of acting on its own terms, capable of anything a Human can, but with a collective mind made up out of the memories of everything he has taken over.

So in terms of ranking I think it's reasonable to say its like this: Gravemind > Forerunner AI > Cortana.

Being the "ultimate" AI has its advantages I guess: having the knowledge of billions inevitably comes with the knowledge to tap into technology as well. And in Halo 2 and Human Weakness (Evolutions) Gravemind has shown to be able to take over other AI as well. First 2401 Penitent Tangent and later on Cortana.
How can he hurt her? Well, Cortana seems to be able to tap into Gravemind's mind as well, so maybe Gravemind is, to put it in his own words: "both machine and nerve"? Or his body allows for integration and transferring of digital signals...
I guess that will never be explained, but Gravemind being the final step in AI-evolution might play a huge role in it.

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BB is more clever than cortana.

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Also how did or when did cortana tap into gravy ?

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Posted by: Spartan319
ok, but where did you find this information?


Common sense? born with it. My assuming arrogance? gained from reading all the novels and fiction; in this case the answer would be Halo:Cryptum.


LOL^
I agree with Grey though, it was clear that the humans fared far better than the forerunner and actually defeated the flood with the "cure". The forerunner had to wipe the entire galaxy clean of life, and nearly themselves, a humilating and pyric victory (the forerunners and I both consider the war to be a stunning failure of such an advanced race).

[Edited on 11.10.2011 5:35 AM PST]

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Also how did or when did cortana tap into gravy ?[/quote]

How? because as Don said he is pretty much a Living AI. When? Halo 3, Halo: Evolutions - Human Weakness


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BB is more clever than cortana.[/quote]

BB is a joke, he acts more human by trying to stay away from being human. Not to mention BB hasn't seen or been through a fraction of the stuff cortana has.


Posted by: H0FFman J

Has anyone thought of why the Gravemind can absorb machines into its own intellect. And how it can talk to them telephatically as it did with medicant bias.
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I don't think that the gravemind can absorb machines, the proto gravemind tried to access the neural implants of Keyes, and failed. I rather think that it absorbs the operators of the machines and their knowledge.

I assume that it uses the domain to communicate to other flood forms and MC.


The reason for forerunner AI's not knowing everything was to stop the flood from knowing if they got infected (halo 3).

In halo evolutions the Gravemind himself states he has absorbed thousands of AIs (Halo: Evolutions).

I don't really see any corruption in 2401 penitent tangent or any influence when the gravemind had at least 99711.3 years to assimilate him.


Because it isn't like the gravemind can not absorb something for a reason right? he must absorb everything he touches for the fact to be true. No

Not only that we have no idea what 2401 was like before and after he got caught so we can't compare. plus the gravemind could have just been talking through him (like he did with cortana) because the entire point of that scene was a reality check.

[Edited on 11.10.2011 5:39 AM PST]

  • 11.10.2011 5:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
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I don't really see any corruption in 2401 penitent tangent or any influence when the gravemind had at least 99711.3 years to assimilate him.


Because it isn't like the gravemind can not absorb something for a reason right? he must absorb everything he touches for the fact to be true. No
I just assumed that absorbing a monitor of an installation would be a great source of information that the gravemind could use to circumvent security measures of the ring and to learn its structural weaknesses.

So, why wouldn't he do it?
Posted by: grey101
Not only that we have no idea what 2401 was like before and after he got caught so we can't compare. plus the gravemind could have just been talking through him (like he did with cortana) because the entire point of that scene was a reality check.

That makes sense.
I guess we'll learn more about the story of the monitors with CEA.

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none of that would be useful to him.

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Posted by: grey101
none of that would be useful to him.

So the location of the sentinel factories, knowledge of the teleportation grid, strategic vantage points, access codes and places where he could manipulate the communication of the ring with the ark are useless?

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Posted by: grey101
none of that would be useful to him.

So the location of the sentinel factories, knowledge of the teleportation grid, strategic vantage points, access codes and places where he could manipulate the communication of the ring with the ark are useless?


He clearly already has knowledge of the teleportantion grid you could further assume that he already knows all of that and was just waiting for something to find the ring.

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