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Subject: The gravemind

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Posted by: H0FFman J
Posted by: grey101
none of that would be useful to him.

So the location of the sentinel factories, knowledge of the teleportation grid, strategic vantage points, access codes and places where he could manipulate the communication of the ring with the ark are useless?


1) Sentinels are no threat to him.

2) He already has control over the teleportation grid, we see this at the start of the mission Gravemind in Halo 2.

3) Flood do not need strategy, they can just throw themselves at the enemy like feral dogs and cause a lot of damage.

4) How would he manipulate the Ring's communication with the Ark? What does that even mean?

  • 11.10.2011 9:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: H0FFman J
Posted by: grey101
none of that would be useful to him.

So the location of the sentinel factories, knowledge of the teleportation grid, strategic vantage points, access codes and places where he could manipulate the communication of the ring with the ark are useless?

3# once the flood establishes a gravemind IT DOES have tactics.
1) Sentinels are no threat to him.

2) He already has control over the teleportation grid, we see this at the start of the mission Gravemind in Halo 2.

3) Flood do not need strategy, they can just throw themselves at the enemy like feral dogs and cause a lot of damage.

4) How would he manipulate the Ring's communication with the Ark? What does that even mean?

  • 11.10.2011 10:03 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: H0FFman J
Posted by: grey101
none of that would be useful to him.

So the location of the sentinel factories, knowledge of the teleportation grid, strategic vantage points, access codes and places where he could manipulate the communication of the ring with the ark are useless?

3# once the flood establishes a gravemind IT DOES have tactics.
1) Sentinels are no threat to him.

2) He already has control over the teleportation grid, we see this at the start of the mission Gravemind in Halo 2.

3) Flood do not need strategy, they can just throw themselves at the enemy like feral dogs and cause a lot of damage.

4) How would he manipulate the Ring's communication with the Ark? What does that even mean?


Are you aware that just because you have something doesn't mean you need it? do you understand the difference?

I have two lungs but i only need one.

I have two kidneys but i only need one.

I have an appendix but i don't need it.


Having something doesn't mean you need it.

  • 11.10.2011 10:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: H0FFman J
Posted by: grey101
none of that would be useful to him.

So the location of the sentinel factories, knowledge of the teleportation grid, strategic vantage points, access codes and places where he could manipulate the communication of the ring with the ark are useless?

3# once the flood establishes a gravemind IT DOES have tactics.
1) Sentinels are no threat to him.

2) He already has control over the teleportation grid, we see this at the start of the mission Gravemind in Halo 2.

3) Flood do not need strategy, they can just throw themselves at the enemy like feral dogs and cause a lot of damage.

4) How would he manipulate the Ring's communication with the Ark? What does that even mean?


Are you aware that just because you have something doesn't mean you need it? do you understand the difference?

I have two lungs but i only need one.

I have two kidneys but i only need one.

I have an appendix but i don't need it.


Having something doesn't mean you need it.

So you'r saying that flood dosent need tactics ?
You are a foolish one ...If it wasnt for tactics the flood wouldnt be able to defeat forerunners....
Aka capture their ships and travel to other colony worlds...then infect alot and charge through an enemy line....
That wouldnt happen without tactics.

  • 11.10.2011 10:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: H0FFman J
Posted by: grey101
none of that would be useful to him.[/quote]
So the location of the sentinel factories, knowledge of the teleportation grid, strategic vantage points, access codes and places where he could manipulate the communication of the ring with the ark are useless?[/quote]
3# once the flood establishes a gravemind IT DOES have tactics.
1) Sentinels are no threat to him.

2) He already has control over the teleportation grid, we see this at the start of the mission Gravemind in Halo 2.

3) Flood do not need strategy, they can just throw themselves at the enemy like feral dogs and cause a lot of damage.

4) How would he manipulate the Ring's communication with the Ark? What does that even mean?[/quote]


Are you aware that just because you have something doesn't mean you need it? do you understand the difference?

I have two lungs but i only need one.

I have two kidneys but i only need one.

I have an appendix but i don't need it.


Having something doesn't mean you need it.

So you'r saying that flood dosent need tactics ?
You are a foolish one ...If it wasnt for tactics the flood wouldnt be able to defeat forerunners....
Aka capture their ships and travel to other colony worlds...then infect alot and charge through an enemy line....
That wouldnt happen without tactics.


Ok let me "The foolish one" educate you.

The Forerunners spent 10,000 years indulging in politics instead of taking defensive measures. The Forerunners didn't believe in the flood because they saw it as a human "excuse for losing" while in reality the humans would have won if their goal was to fight and if the flood wasn't attacking them.

The Forerunners letthe flood spread for 300 years before finally deciding to take any action towards it. The flood had no reason for tactics when all it had to do is jump to random systems and infect.


The only Reason the flood won is because Medicant Bias chose to Side with the flood. If he didn't there was a good chance the forerunners would have won.


Everything is a tactic so that is subjective you can not say what the flood instinctively do is some sort of advance tactic worth commenting on. All the flood did was bumrush and spread, nothing they did was fantastic.

  • 11.10.2011 10:35 AM PDT
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Nvm...i back down.

  • 11.10.2011 11:05 AM PDT

Do you know what kind of hat I'm wearing?

A party hat; you don't get one. An honor will this party be, a party in your honor, for your honor. Some of Tfear's personal guards are going to be there. You'll be introduced shortly.

Prepare to die.

Posted by: grey101
He clearly already has knowledge of the teleportantion grid you could further assume that he already knows all of that and was just waiting for something to find the ring.

I guess that he could have learned those things from Mendicant Bias.

I don't know if MB had access to the schematics of all the rings, but they are not quite the same.
Posted by: ajw34307
1) Sentinels are no threat to him.

They were before the arrival of the covenant and humans since sentinels don't have biomass and self-destruct upon breaches.

So the gravemind had limited resources/biomass while the floating factories could keep producing sentinels.
2) He already has control over the teleportation grid, we see this at the start of the mission Gravemind in Halo 2. I do wonder why he didn't use it more often.

3) Flood do not need strategy, they can just throw themselves at the enemy like feral dogs and cause a lot of damage.

This is true for situations where only 1% of the citizens have military training, but these tactics are ineffective in this case since the flood was up against organized combatants.

4) How would he manipulate the Ring's communication with the Ark? What does that even mean?
The gravemind obviously doesn't want the activation of the halos, so he would prevent delta halo from sending a distress signal and prepare the other installations for remote activation, or something like that.

  • 11.10.2011 11:40 AM PDT

I HATE NOOBS

if you put johnson and cheif on a flood planet they would kill all the flood and all the graveminds on that planet because cheif is a beast ans johnson is black

  • 11.10.2011 12:32 PM PDT

They come now... and they take us... the tide rises.


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: H0FFman J
Posted by: grey101
none of that would be useful to him.

So the location of the sentinel factories, knowledge of the teleportation grid, strategic vantage points, access codes and places where he could manipulate the communication of the ring with the ark are useless?

3# once the flood establishes a gravemind IT DOES have tactics.
1) Sentinels are no threat to him.

2) He already has control over the teleportation grid, we see this at the start of the mission Gravemind in Halo 2.

3) Flood do not need strategy, they can just throw themselves at the enemy like feral dogs and cause a lot of damage.

4) How would he manipulate the Ring's communication with the Ark? What does that even mean?


Are you aware that just because you have something doesn't mean you need it? do you understand the difference?

I have two lungs but i only need one.

I have two kidneys but i only need one.

I have an appendix but i don't need it.


Having something doesn't mean you need it.


This is not a good example. I have two kidneys, but for living i need all two. This is human biology.

So, the best action of the Flood is "infect" the Mendicant Bias mind and control it for destroy the Forerunners.

[Edited on 11.10.2011 1:31 PM PST]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: H0FFman J
Posted by: grey101
none of that would be useful to him.[/quote]
So the location of the sentinel factories, knowledge of the teleportation grid, strategic vantage points, access codes and places where he could manipulate the communication of the ring with the ark are useless?[/quote]
3# once the flood establishes a gravemind IT DOES have tactics.
1) Sentinels are no threat to him.

2) He already has control over the teleportation grid, we see this at the start of the mission Gravemind in Halo 2.

3) Flood do not need strategy, they can just throw themselves at the enemy like feral dogs and cause a lot of damage.

4) How would he manipulate the Ring's communication with the Ark? What does that even mean?[/quote]


Are you aware that just because you have something doesn't mean you need it? do you understand the difference?

I have two lungs but i only need one.

I have two kidneys but i only need one.

I have an appendix but i don't need it.


Having something doesn't mean you need it.


This is not a good example. I have two kidneys, but for living i need all two. This is human biology.


Now you are just being stupid for the sake of it.

Explain to me how people with kidney disease can have living relatives with a matching blood type donate a kidney if you need both?

  • 11.10.2011 1:31 PM PDT

They come now... and they take us... the tide rises.

Technically need both kidneys to survive

And dont call me "stupid" little spermatozoon.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Spartan319
Technically need both kidneys to survive

And dont call me "stupid" little spermatozoon.


Your just being stupid.

You don't need both to survive if something happens to one the other picks up the workload. typically things you have two of you can lose one.

  • 11.10.2011 1:35 PM PDT

They come now... and they take us... the tide rises.


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Spartan319
Technically need both kidneys to survive

And dont call me "stupid" little spermatozoon.


Your just being stupid.

You don't need both to survive if something happens to one the other picks up the workload. typically things you have two of you can lose one.


Ah Finally it seems that you have understood my altifona.
Survive not live.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Spartan319

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Spartan319
Technically need both kidneys to survive

And dont call me "stupid" little spermatozoon.


Your just being stupid.

You don't need both to survive if something happens to one the other picks up the workload. typically things you have two of you can lose one.


Ah Finally it seems that you have understood my altifona.
Survive not live.



Which is completely pointless and off topic.

In order to survive you need the minimum in this case is one kidney.

In order to live you can have one or two kidneys. it doesn't matter.

  • 11.10.2011 1:42 PM PDT

They come now... and they take us... the tide rises.

Yes is offtopic but, when you, kidney donor, hitting in a new "kidney problem", i am sure you not survive. Right?

  • 11.10.2011 1:45 PM PDT

They come now... and they take us... the tide rises.

I hope I never have offended him.

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lol


Posted by: Spartan319
Technically need both kidneys to survive

And dont call me "stupid" little spermatozoon.

  • 11.11.2011 1:03 AM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553


Posted by: RougeSniper1117
Not to go off topic here but Gravemind isnt a character a Gravemind is a large mass of flood that obsorbs so much knowledge of computers and people that are dead the it forms a gravemind


We know very little of the precusors.

  • 11.11.2011 2:29 AM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Spartan319

Posted by: H0FFman J
Posted by: grey101
none of that would be useful to him.[/quote]
So the location of the sentinel factories, knowledge of the teleportation grid, strategic vantage points, access codes and places where he could manipulate the communication of the ring with the ark are useless?[/quote]
3# once the flood establishes a gravemind IT DOES have tactics.
1) Sentinels are no threat to him.

2) He already has control over the teleportation grid, we see this at the start of the mission Gravemind in Halo 2.

3) Flood do not need strategy, they can just throw themselves at the enemy like feral dogs and cause a lot of damage.

4) How would he manipulate the Ring's communication with the Ark? What does that even mean?[/quote]


Are you aware that just because you have something doesn't mean you need it? do you understand the difference?

I have two lungs but i only need one.

I have two kidneys but i only need one.

I have an appendix but i don't need it.


Having something doesn't mean you need it.


This is not a good example. I have two kidneys, but for living i need all two. This is human biology.


Now you are just being stupid for the sake of it.

Explain to me how people with kidney disease can have living relatives with a matching blood type donate a kidney if you need both?
.

I love going just a bit off topic.

  • 11.11.2011 2:32 AM PDT

yas334229812

i believe that that gravemind can control ai mainly as it is a super ai as someone pointed out, which also begs the question what is medicant bias, did he just reach the point that the gravemind is in. Is that why the gravemind did not try to absorb it. Was it an equal rival to the gravemind that the gravemind understood trying to absorb it would be disastrous and that it was young and so it is easier to manipulate

  • 11.11.2011 10:44 AM PDT

yas334229812

this also begs the point that although cortana is really advanced she has not reached the point of medicant bias and is nowhere near it although has progressed further than most a.i's.

This can be seen as the gravemind is slowly breaking her down and in one book she nearly gave up, not only that the gravemind had already gone through all her barriers and was just slowly sifting through all the info, making sure not to damage it.

The gravemind actually did break cortana, and even when she thought she was in control, the gravemind was slowly looking through her info, taunting her again and again, to willingly give up and join him.

He forcibly took out info and she was trying her hardest to throw diversions which had no effect, and she kept fighting till john found her not knowing that the gravemind had already got info on the ark ages ago and was just finding other little details in her, or according to me just trying to absorb her and stop her fighting so that he would have greater knowledge than need to break another potentially valuable ai.

  • 11.11.2011 10:51 AM PDT

yas334229812

overall i believe the secrets of the flood has not been answered properly at all.
wether if you kill a being taken over by the flood would the flood lose the host memory or not.

  • 11.12.2011 4:39 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: risay_117
overall i believe the secrets of the flood has not been answered properly at all.
wether if you kill a being taken over by the flood would the flood lose the host memory or not.


The Forerunners killed a large majority of the Flood and yet the Gravemind still retained the memories of numerous beings. I think it's safe to say memories are eternal for the Flood.

  • 11.12.2011 4:43 PM PDT

yas334229812

although it could have gained it from the monitor that it got a hold of and was able to piece it together. Use memory of older flood, etc. Remember it is a mastermind and if it did not know something it will pretend it knew what happened.

  • 11.12.2011 4:44 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: risay_117
although it could have gained it from the monitor that it got a hold of and was able to piece it together. Use memory of older flood, etc. Remember it is a mastermind and if it did not know something it will pretend it knew what happened.


The Gravemind said it absorbed the memory of poets and knew thousands of languages. The Gravemind has a consciousness that transcends death itself, I think it is more than capable of acting as a hardrive for memory.

  • 11.12.2011 4:48 PM PDT

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