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  • 11.10.2011 12:12 PM PDT
Subject: Who carried out the attack in glasslands ending?
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Brutes or Elites, not that hard to diagnose.

  • 11.10.2011 12:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101
Brutes or Elites, not that hard to diagnose.


and why would the elites attack phillips, fundamentalist or those loyal to the arbiter?

Brutes - The way Telcam describes the attack, in a shaky voice saying "what in the name of the gods is happening" and "it's not us" gives me reason to doubt its jirahalnae.

If Brutes had attacked he would have said something like brute scum instead of being so "shaky", the way I see it,


How can you tell what his voice was like if it was in writing and we never heard him speak?

And the words "It's not us" he means it isn't his faction of elites not elites as a whole and differently "it's not us" meaning brutes.


There is no reason to act like it is such a big dramatic mystery. It was another faction of elites or the brutes were smart in playing dumb and are attacking the elites.

  • 11.10.2011 12:28 PM PDT

I am a monument to all your sins

probably another group of sangheili rebels that hate humans.

  • 11.10.2011 12:32 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Probably ONI. Parangosky said that they were planning to wipe out the Elites soon.

  • 11.10.2011 1:19 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

It has to be the Brutes. In the novel it talked about how Brutes were stealing some of the Elites ships. Also, the Elites keep fighting the Brutes until 2559, something had to cause this.

  • 11.10.2011 3:56 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Probably ONI. Parangosky said that they were planning to wipe out the Elites soon.


It'd match their current levels of evil stupidity... Attacking near their own person.

  • 11.10.2011 3:58 PM PDT

I think it (could be obvious enough given one of Glassland's purposes is to tie in with Halo 4) is foreshadowing of Halo 4's main enemy.

I mean, what kind of cliffhanger is that if it's just another redundant Brute attack?

It could be ONI, but it is more likely leaning toward Halo 4.

We shall see.

  • 11.10.2011 4:07 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
There is no reason to act like it is such a big dramatic mystery.


Yes there is. That's the point of a cliffhanger. Not to mention that Glasslands is meant to tie in with Halo 4.

[Edited on 11.10.2011 4:11 PM PST]

  • 11.10.2011 4:11 PM PDT


Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
I think it (could be obvious enough given one of Glassland's purposes is to tie in with Halo 4) is foreshadowing of Halo 4's main enemy.

I mean, what kind of cliffhanger is that if it's just another redundant Brute attack?

It could be ONI, but it is more likely leaning toward Halo 4.

We shall see.


Maybe we fight ONI in Halo 4, free Halsey (and kill Maggie), destroy/highjack the infinity and return to Earth.

Brutally ripping ONI's feet from under it and allowing the UEG and UNSC to actually do their full jobs.

  • 11.10.2011 4:12 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
I think it (could be obvious enough given one of Glassland's purposes is to tie in with Halo 4) is foreshadowing of Halo 4's main enemy.

I mean, what kind of cliffhanger is that if it's just another redundant Brute attack?

It could be ONI, but it is more likely leaning toward Halo 4.

We shall see.


Gee, couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact Glasslands is one of a multibook series about the post-war Haloverse. A "redundant" Brute attack kinda throws a hammer in both 'Telcam's and ONI's plan. Oh look, what a twist!

I mean, they mentioned how the amount of Brutes who serve the Elites is small and some have been stealing Elite ships from some orbital dock.

Naw, it must be some new fangled enemy.

  • 11.10.2011 4:14 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
I think it (could be obvious enough given one of Glassland's purposes is to tie in with Halo 4) is foreshadowing of Halo 4's main enemy.

I mean, what kind of cliffhanger is that if it's just another redundant Brute attack?

It could be ONI, but it is more likely leaning toward Halo 4.

We shall see.


Maybe we fight ONI in Halo 4, free Halsey (and kill Maggie), destroy/highjack the infinity and return to Earth.

Brutally ripping ONI's feet from under it and allowing the UEG and UNSC to actually do their full jobs.


I really think that is something likely to happen in Halo 4.

Given the style of narrative, Halsey playing a role in the trilogy is more than predictable.
I liked her in Reach so hooray.

  • 11.10.2011 4:15 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
I think it (could be obvious enough given one of Glassland's purposes is to tie in with Halo 4) is foreshadowing of Halo 4's main enemy.

I mean, what kind of cliffhanger is that if it's just another redundant Brute attack?

It could be ONI, but it is more likely leaning toward Halo 4.

We shall see.

it must be some new fangled enemy.


Yuparoo.

Think of this: Who ever said this novel series wasn't going to feature Halo 4's threat?
o.o

[Edited on 11.10.2011 4:17 PM PST]

  • 11.10.2011 4:16 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

I would ask you for evidence, but you and source citation aren't friends.

  • 11.10.2011 4:18 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I would ask you for evidence, but you and source citation aren't friends.


Hah, you're funny.

Something you just can't seem to understand about my reasoning is that I look at the factors that rule over what happens in stories and games: development, decisions, consistency, and fan-satisfaction.

In this case, referring to the story of Glasslands itself is completely unnecessary if something outside of the story (development, decisions, etc.) is right there for use of inference.

i.e., Glassland tying in with Halo 4, the definition of a "suspenseful and dramatic cliffhanger", and the trend of narratives.

It's not really that difficult to understand.

[Edited on 11.10.2011 4:24 PM PST]

  • 11.10.2011 4:23 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
It has to be the Brutes. In the novel it talked about how Brutes were stealing some of the Elites ships. Also, the Elites keep fighting the Brutes until 2559, something had to cause this.

One would hope, as opposed to it just being another Human or Sangheili faction, but it is probably just digging the grave of post war relations even deeper.

  • 11.10.2011 4:25 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

That's not evidence.

  • 11.10.2011 4:25 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
That's not evidence.


This statement only proves that you are not willing to listen to, or even comprehend anything an opposing arguer is presenting. Way to go.

Fix your logic and comprehension skills for next time.

  • 11.10.2011 4:30 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
That's not evidence.


This statement only proves that you are not willing to listen to, or even comprehend anything an opposing arguer is presenting. Way to go.

Fix your logic and comprehension skills for next time.


All you present is "I bet it's the Halo 4's enemy!" without any back up evidence to support your claim.

People assumed that because Fore World was a Halo ring and that because all the multiplayer maps for Reach were based off the campaign, we would go to Halo as Noble Team. Or that because Reach had Forerunner structures, the Flood was there.

Neither were right. And honestly, you aren't either. Nobody is. But my position has evidence to support it, yours does not.

  • 11.10.2011 4:33 PM PDT

It is most likely an enemy that Telcam never faced before for him to be scared so it rules out Elites, Brutes, and Humans. Keep in mind that Telcam was a high ranking Elite indicating combat experience agiainst most of the major factions and for him to show anything but defiance at an enemy is completely against what we know about Elite society.

Since there were Forerunner structures on Sanghelios and Telcams base is a temple of Forerunner artifacts, it is possible that some kind of Sentinel was activated whether by design or accident.

The description of the attack also states of a bright light prior to an explosion. Forerunner weapons are based off of light as seen in the Sentinels main weapons and none of the other factions have weapons that would match the descriptions. Furthermore, Forerunner objects have a tendency to activate in the prescence of a human.

[Edited on 11.10.2011 5:10 PM PST]

  • 11.10.2011 5:04 PM PDT
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Breaking it down.

Its not humans. The rebels would never be able to reach Sanghelios alive and ONI wanted Phillips there in the first place. Not to mention any Human seen walking about Sanghelios would be shot on sight.

Its not the Arbiter's faction. They just came to a peace agreement with the Humans and they are in no state to start a new war.

Its not Telcam's buddies. I initially thought this was the case but Telcam denies it immediately. No reason to life, its written such that he is genuinely shocked as well.

Grey, this might be the most I've disagreed with you. Its not Telcam or the Brutes, or if it is, it's not apparent at all now. Your highly suspicious nature of anything in the Halo novels is amazing, I don't see how you can read a piece of fiction and just doubt everything you read. Maybe you derive some enjoyment out of contesting the fictional work of writers in the context of the larget universe, but hey, who am I to judge? We'll see when Glassland's sequel is released.

They're in a Forerunner structure. Glasslands serves as a bridge to Halo 4. It is logical for it to be foreshadowing some form of new threat linked to the Forerunner.

  • 11.10.2011 6:55 PM PDT

Why wouldn't it be the brutes though? The majority of them aren't friendly at all towards the Elites.

And, Grey isn't suspicious of anything in the halo novels. Glasslands as it's the first glimpse of what is to come for halo? Why shouldn't any of us be?

  • 11.10.2011 7:27 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
That's not evidence.


This statement only proves that you are not willing to listen to, or even comprehend anything an opposing arguer is presenting. Way to go.

Fix your logic and comprehension skills for next time.


All you present is "I bet it's the Halo 4's enemy!" without any back up evidence to support your claim.


How many times do I have to reiterate what I am saying before you actually respond to it?

Because so far, you've been derping on about how my reasoning is "not evidence" without actually saying anything about one word in my post.

It's like arguing with a twelve year old.

I am going to continue pasting what I said until we're able to come up with a logical, valid debate.

Something you just can't seem to understand about my reasoning is that I look at the factors that rule over what happens in stories and games: development, decisions, consistency, and fan-satisfaction.

In this case, referring to the story of Glasslands itself is completely unnecessary if something outside of the story (development, decisions, etc.) is right there for use of inference.

i.e., Glassland tying in with Halo 4, the definition of a "suspenseful and dramatic cliffhanger", and the trend of narratives.

It's not really that difficult to understand.


And to your "example" you gave, that is "different" from the situation at hand, so it doesn't work as an analogy, but that is kind of hard to explain.

Considering the fact that we were given the information in direct words, Glasslands will connect to Halo 4.
Now, couple that with the need for a narrative (Glasslands) to have suspenseful and dramatic happenings. (aka, the trend of narratives in our culture)
Anything predictable would fade the whole point of a cliffhanger, so it can't be the Brutes or much of anything else we know of.
What does that leave as a possibility then? a tie-in to Halo 4 through the attackers being the new threat.

There you go.

[Edited on 11.10.2011 7:41 PM PST]

  • 11.10.2011 7:27 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Why wouldn't it be the brutes though? The majority of them aren't friendly at all towards the Elites.


Outside influences other than the story itself suggest a different direction.

  • 11.10.2011 7:28 PM PDT

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