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Subject: Who carried out the attack in glasslands ending?

Cave Johnson here, we're done!

PS: If you are reading this comment while imagining my voice, don't panic. That's just a side effect of the testing.


Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
How many times do I have to reiterate what I am saying before you actually respond to it?


How many times does this forum have to tell you to stop making ridiculous assumptions? Why do you insist on "predicting" the things that will occur in Halo 4?

Because so far, you've been derping on about how my reasoning is "not evidence" without actually saying anything about one word in my post.

It's like arguing with a twelve year old.


If he hasn't then I will.

Your arguement is flawed. Yes, it will be somewhat mundane if it's just the brutes, and yes this series is supposed to tie in with Halo 4 (or at least set the stage to how the halo universe is at the moment). But the thing is that the books are a series, meaning more than one novel.

So when do you think this Cliffhanger will resolve itself? By the next book? Do you think that the reveal of the new halo enemy before the release of the next game is a good idea? Do you think it makes sense for 343 to reveal the new enemy before the game even comes out. Why ruin the surprise and spoil it months in advance?

It's nonsensical for them to do this. Especially considering the fact that by the next book they would have to address this new enemy, give details of who they are, and effectively spoil the cliffhanger set up by bungie at the end of Halo 3. You say "Anything predictable would fade the whole point of a cliffhanger," So what sense does it make for 343 to spoil it? Why make the new halo game trilogy predictable? Why take the mystery that is the new enemy, and reveal who they are now and make the new halo game predictable?


Something you just can't seem to understand about my reasoning is that I look at the factors that rule over what happens in stories and games: development, decisions, consistency, and fan-satisfaction.

Something that you don't seem to understand is that most already do this. Most people inherently try to connect the dots and weighs things from one to another. Except most people come to the conclusion that with assumptions comes faults and weaknesses with our logic. And with that they have to provide some factual data to even prove that their idea is logical. Yet you continue on to develop these ideas without recognizing this. You continue to spout your information as factual and logical, all the wise being riddled with holes and faults.

In this case, referring to the story of Glasslands itself is completely unnecessary if something outside of the story (development, decisions, etc.) is right there for use of inference.

Why do you ignore Glasslands? You say "I look at the factors that rule over what happens in stories and games: development, decisions, consistency, and fan-satisfaction.", but you ignore the fact that your arguement is based off of one of these stories. You say the factors rule over the story but you have no idea what the perspective of the book is. You could be completely wrong and you wouldn't even know it. Your arguments can not rule over the story when the matter of fact is that your arguments base is from the story itself. You ignore the story all the wise using as your argument. You are contradicting yourself.

Not all cliffhangers have a dramatic reveal, not all roads lead to Rome.


Just as a sidenote, you say that having a predictable reveal to a cliffhanger would be pointless, yet with these points that you have made you present a prediction for the outcome of this reveal. So given the fact that your idea is "not really that difficult to understand.", wouldn't that make your idea a predictable outcome for this cliffhanger? And by your logic "Anything predictable would fade the whole point of a cliffhanger," making the points you make effectively useless given that the idea for the "New Enemy" is a predictable outcome.

  • 11.10.2011 9:45 PM PDT

I can assure you all, now. Some elements of Karen Traviss' trilogy directly tie in to the forthcoming Reclaimer trilogy.

Karen's book, Glasslands, also sets the scene, post GoO and H3. It'll probably tie in some of the backstory and possibly how the Master Chief will be retrieved, if he is retrieved. Though I think most of us have come to the conclusion that he will, at some point, make it back to Earth.

  • 11.11.2011 1:44 AM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553

There may be more factions.....

  • 11.11.2011 2:18 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

I doubt it is the Timeless One. TO is a being who fights empires as powerful as the Forerunners and brings them to their knees. Why would such a being condescend to attack such a lowely place as Sanghelios? The planet and its inhabitants are not in any way important to the future of the galaxy. (They are more likely to do the TO's job for him all things considered) It would be like one of us declaring war on an ant hill.

  • 11.11.2011 9:55 AM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
I doubt it is the Timeless One. TO is a being who fights empires as powerful as the Forerunners and brings them to their knees. Why would such a being condescend to attack such a lowely place as Sanghelios? The planet and its inhabitants are not in any way important to the future of the galaxy. (They are more likely to do the TO's job for him all things considered) It would be like one of us declaring war on an ant hill.


Well what was it that was blown up/attacked at the end of the book? That would answer some questions. If the attack was instigated by the Prisoner then one possible motive could be to try and start the Elites and Humans fighting each other and make them too weak to even pose any kind of threat at all to himself or whatever forces he has at his disposal.
It could very well be the Brutes who did it, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they were acting on their own, they could very well be serving a faction and not acting in their own interests.

The Prophets all ran off and hid, is it possible that maybe some or all of them fell in with the Prisoner and have become his slaves/servants? It'd probably be pretty easy to trick them into following him considering the religious fervor a lot of the Prophets had. It is possible that they're pulling the Brutes' strings on behalf of the Prisoner. Or they are acting in their own interests and still pulling the Brutes' strings, but for their own purposes and a way of trying to get revenge on the Elites.

Personally, I don't really have any real theory on the matter, I'm just going to wait and see how it all shapes up, but there are any number of likely possibilities, I'm not going to discount them until either Halo 4 comes out and possibly reveals what's going on, or the next installment of Glassland's trilogy.

  • 11.11.2011 10:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: tinyohyeah


Thank you tinyohyeah. While I get Ruby's point, I have nothing to say about it. It's just his speculation, but I ignore it because he fails to bring any evidence to support it.

I don't deal with "What ifs.." or all of the "factors". I look at cold hard facts.

Fact: Most of the Brutes still despise the Elites.
Fact: The Brutes have been stealing Elite ships.
Fact: The Elites and Brutes keep fighting at least until 2559.

The evidence of it being a Brute attack outweighs any speculation of it being the new enemy of Halo 4. Is it a Brute attack though? I don't know, but we will find out.

  • 11.11.2011 11:00 AM PDT
Subject: Who carried out the attack in glasslands ending?

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

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Posted by: anton1792
I doubt it is the Timeless One. TO is a being who fights empires as powerful as the Forerunners and brings them to their knees. Why would such a being condescend to attack such a lowely place as Sanghelios? The planet and its inhabitants are not in any way important to the future of the galaxy. (They are more likely to do the TO's job for him all things considered) It would be like one of us declaring war on an ant hill.


Fair point, but if the TO lacked any involvement in this whatsoever then how did BB feel physical pain?

It's not like we know the TO's character inside out, or all his motives. For all we know, messing up the universe could be nothing more than entertainment to him. He could be the type of being who likes to pull strings and tweak things to his advantage, like a devious strategist, rather than get directly involved in a confrontational matter like this.

Just because he CAN bring powerful empires to their knees doesn't mean that he's not bothered at all by the more insignificant races, even if they are powerless.


Him sensing pain did strike me as odd, but when Cortana felt pain, she needed contact with the Gravemind. All BB is looking at are explosions.

  • 11.11.2011 11:04 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

You are getting ahead. First you should wonder how TO knows about BB, and why he would bother doing that to him.

  • 11.11.2011 11:25 AM PDT
Subject: Who carried out the attack in glasslands ending? (TO may be involved)
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

Probably the Timeless One and some Flood. Few things can make a Sangheili shiver. But as I recall, there are still 2 species/factions that have yet to be unveiled.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

It isn't the TO because the mere though of it being on sanghelios is just too much, not to mention something would have been stated "in the return".

  • 11.12.2011 8:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101
It isn't the TO because the mere though of it being on sanghelios is just too much


Then explain how any brute or elite faction could have caused an AI physical, real-life pain, acting on their own.

I never said the TO had to be on sanghelios, only that I suspect its involvement for a reason I have stated countless times...

and if the TO acted in this indirect manner, no one would know the identity of the thing that caused BB to feel pain and hence nothing about who was behind the attack ultimately would be stated in the return


*Sigh*

Forerunner technology would be able to cause BB "physical" pain. And it isn't like nobody has been trying to grab that.


BB is less than bacteria to the TO it would have no reason to even remotely harm it.

  • 11.12.2011 10:18 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

It's no more farfetched anymore than ONI somehow having the funds to create a new breed of super-soldiers, build a ship loaded with Forerunner tech and fund a brewing civil war.

  • 11.12.2011 10:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: anish panchalin

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: anish panchalin

Posted by: grey101
It isn't the TO because the mere though of it being on sanghelios is just too much


Then explain how any brute or elite faction could have caused an AI physical, real-life pain, acting on their own.

I never said the TO had to be on sanghelios, only that I suspect its involvement for a reason I have stated countless times...

and if the TO acted in this indirect manner, no one would know the identity of the thing that caused BB to feel pain and hence nothing about who was behind the attack ultimately would be stated in the return


*Sigh*

Forerunner technology would be able to cause BB "physical" pain. And it isn't like nobody has been trying to grab that.


BB is less than bacteria to the TO it would have no reason to even remotely harm it.


So brute/elite factions would have magically obtained AI suppressors or something similiar when one race is struggling to rebuild and another is in civil war?


How is it magical when Sangheilios and the surrounding systems of filled with forerunner ruins?





Posted by: DecepticonCobra
It's no more farfetched anymore than ONI somehow having the funds to create a new breed of super-soldiers, build a ship loaded with Forerunner tech and fund a brewing civil war.



Damn you Cobra, Damn you.

  • 11.12.2011 10:29 AM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
It's no more farfetched anymore than ONI somehow having the funds to create a new breed of super-soldiers, build a ship loaded with Forerunner tech and fund a brewing civil war.


Or having the former two for at least a year, maybe more, but never using them to defend humanity.

  • 11.12.2011 10:29 AM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: anish panchalin
Grey, I said its magical because of the messed up state both races are in right now.

That plus neither faction have the san shyuum, huragok, drones, lekgolo colonies or any race with the technological understanding to "magically" unlock the purpose(s) of these forerunner ruins, much less utilise said ruins that happen to contain weapon secrets.


Unless the Prophets are still helping the Brutes.

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  • 11.12.2011 10:39 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: anish panchalin

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: anish panchalin
Grey, I said its magical because of the messed up state both races are in right now.

That plus neither faction have the san shyuum, huragok, drones, lekgolo colonies or any race with the technological understanding to "magically" unlock the purpose(s) of these forerunner ruins, much less utilise said ruins that happen to contain weapon secrets.


Unless the Prophets are still helping the Brutes.


If the prophets ruled over brutes with the strong leadership they formally displayed over them in the covenant then the brutes wouldn't be warring amongst themselves, would they?


Are you saying it is impossible for a prophet (or a group) that wasn't on High charity yet had similar views like truth to be around and acting from behind the lines?

It is hard to completely exterminate a race and you could say it is borderline impossible if their ideology's are still around.

With there officially being around 1,000 known prophets left and still plenty of fools that would still follow them a mini covenant could still be in the works. I just don't support it because it is a re-hashing of something that was just stopped.


A extremely small faction lead by a prophet and following brutes isn't a bad idea. Though i still just think it is nothing more than brutes.

  • 11.12.2011 10:56 AM PDT

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